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Atrocious Joe posted:doesn't Cuba embrace capitalism and all the returning exiles help make it so the economy flourishes even as the rest of the world is overrun by zombies You're right about the terrible Israel plot about the triumph of "good rational Liberal apartheid colonialists" where the uppity young Palestinian learns to stay in his place and show proper deference to his betters. Because the Israelis are the true victims who selflessly will lay down their lives to protect ungrateful muslims. But the Cuba part is actually kinda strange. The returning exiles are portrayed as villains who the heroic Cubans defeat and put into gulags. Then a bunch of White Americans try to take the country and are put in the gulags too, and the natives are all presented as justified and in the right to do this. Then Fidel Castro (who was still alive when the book was written) retires as a national hero and a big monument to him is in the center of Havana (Though he did pull a Gorbachev with opening up the economy, can't let Socialism win even when it wins amirite?.)
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Some Guy TT posted:in less replybaity some guy itt is posting about watching cable im intrigued by how battle for sevastopol by complete accident manages to massively outwoke similar american world war two media simply because the eastern front was actually bad enough that they had to conscript women to fight nazis because it wasnt just posturing for them it was literally either we win or the nazis loving kill us all On the one hand becoming political has made it harder for me to enjoy a lot of movies I might have had before because I now see and disagree with their politics. On the other hand now it's entertaining to watch politics/status quo/consensus/whatever change through different eras. 9/11 overnight made it so "Rebels" could no longer be the heroes in anything. All our media was now about how great crushing resistance was. Then Obama gets elected and now it's okay to be a Rebel again, but instead of rebelling against foreign conquerors it's rebelling against your own subverted government.
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Apr 13, 2020 22:24
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I wonder why they have the bad guy in black panther say emancipatory anti capitalist stuff I remember him saying a bunch of stuff about the liberation of minorities but I don't remember him ever talking about economics. Just racism. Not saying omission doesn't amount to the same thing though, Because of course Black Panther at the end of the movie decides the solution is for Wakanda to invest in businesses in minority neighborhoods.
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May 3, 2020 23:49
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gradenko_2000 posted:(which is itself this clever trick that Tom Clancy pulls where all the "good" Presidents are Democrats, even if they always have the politics of a conservative) Clancy's far from the only one who does that. It's a favorite tactic of the NeoLiberal consensus to portray fictional Democrats pursuing hyper-conservative policies in order to move the Overton Window ever further right. A rather prominent recent example was the Netflix House of Cards adaption which, before the whole thing with Spacey being a pedophile rapist derailed it, was all about a Democrat who pursued such "sensible" and "moderate" positions as abolishing Medicare.
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StashAugustine posted:I'm watching Gettysburg for the 4th and its funny how all the attempts to make the Confederates look good just make them come across as arrogant shithead with even the tiniest bit of context At least one good thing that's come out of all the recent troubles has been that it's okay to call out the Confederacy for being objectively pure evil for the first time since Reconstruction ended. Incremental progress has been made! But seriously becoming Leftist has hurt my ability to watch so much TV and Film. Most anything Civil War related from more than around 10-15 years ago I now see for being repugnant slaver apologia.
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Soup du Jour posted:you must learn to separate the art from the social structure or you’ll be wholly divorced from being able to interact with normal society, like some 4chan chud screaming about normies but with correct politics I mean, I get that to a degree. I myself can enjoy lots of older stuff made in less enlightened times. And you always have to divorce stuff like actors real life shittyness from your opinion of the characters, but at some point stuff like that is doing actual objective harm to society. Like all the Copaganda shows constantly running on T.V to this very moment are an important factor of White America's love of the police state. A statistically significant amount of people alive today base their ideas on policing off of Dirty Harry and Death Wish.
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Jul 5, 2020 08:34
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Egg Moron posted:Here are some panels from marshal law, the first three are from marshal law takes manhattan where the punisher facsimile "the persecutor" is attempting to seek sanctuary in a mental hospital for criminally insane super heroes where parodies of the avengers rule the roost I'm generally not a fan of these "The Justice League/Avengers are evil because they don't destroy America, let me show you my fair-use versions of them being oh so crazy" stories (and not just because they've been done to death by every hack writer for the past 30 years). It's because 99% of them require a willful misreading of the source material. Superhero Comics are set in the "real world", if Batman creates a perpetual motion machine next issue then the comic essentially ends because the entire premise no longer works. It's like watching a Disney Cartoon and smugly pointing out that animals can't talk. Even the main comics universes have this problem a lot these days. The X-Men writers in particular love accusing like Spider-Man of being racist because he didn't stop last months Sentinel attack, despite the reader knowing he's wasn't in the X-Men book month because he was stopping Galactus from eating Earth in his own book.
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Jul 11, 2020 17:32
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You're actually spot on there. The comic version is exactly the thing I was ranting about, while on the other hand I enjoy the show precisely because it's not like the comic at all. Live-Action Homelander in particular has practically nothing in common with Comic Homelander. Though to be fair Antony Starr deserves enough awards for what he brings to the role to sink a freighter
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Jul 11, 2020 18:47
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General Dog posted:I don't think there's much to support the premise that Amy Adams can really change anything. She's just along for the ride, a spectator to her own life's story. Correct. It's very much a "Life is painful but there is good in it also." moral. And while it's fine to think that's a tired cliche the whole point of the movie is that the alien language shows a deterministic universe, not that the protagonist is a cruel god who lets others suffer for her amusement. StashAugustine posted:I'll just settle for the writers realizing Paul isn't a goodguy My utterly serious prediction: Paul will be straight written as a "Heroic Liberal Fascist" in the same vein as the HBO Watchmen, Lady Jessica and/or Chani will be written as Clinton expy "Girl-Boss" types, and Baron Harkonnen will be a thinly veiled Trump stand-in who is evil because he's racist (in the modern American way) and sexist and most definitely not because he is a mirror of the stagnant classist galactic society.
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Jul 15, 2020 20:04
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She can't choose to tell him because she now experiences time all at the same time. You're mistakenly thinking she has the power to see the future when what is actually happening is that she lives all moments of her life concurrently. She's like the Wormhole aliens from Deep Space Nine.
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Jul 16, 2020 14:05
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General Dog posted:I would say Jaws is the definitive COVID allegory, but it’s almost too on the nose I just rewatched Jaws last week and my god it's disturbing how true that is. I had to double check that this wasn't some satirical film from the future I watched through a time-warp. Spielberg is a prophet.
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Aug 2, 2020 22:17
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Someone please tell me what the "Great Ape Snake War" is. It it a war between Apes and Snakes that was great? A war between the Great Apes and the Snakes? A great war involving hybrid ape snakes? Google is giving me nonsense.
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Aug 3, 2020 05:26
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Whats hilarious is that in their efforts to both excise all the inherent political themes in Star Wars (aka have only vapid Lib themes) and make the story a store brand knockoff of the Original Trilogy, Disney made this statement 100% unironically true. Instead of making a New Republic that rectified the mistakes of the Old one, Luke, Han, and Leia decided to make an even shittier state that was unable to resurrect the Jedi and allowed Fascists 100 times more powerful than the Empire to make their own even bigger Death Star that blew up like five times as many planets. Even in their own fiction NeoLiberals always fail.
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Aug 28, 2020 20:13
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I'm still not sure what it is he actually tried to do. It was like "Step 1: Give African-Americans Rayguns. Step 2:???" I mean it's not like America doesn't already have enough guns floating around to arm every man woman and child with a Tank cannon. It seemed to be the standard liberal "Being angry about injustices is bad" because he shouts and says he doesn't like white people so he must be wrong.
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Aug 29, 2020 19:45
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At this point I'm convinced Woke Liberalism is an intentional psyop meant to defame Leftism. This reads like a parody from some fascist "humor" site.
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Despite being notoriously homogenized by studio control, I still think it's too much to say the MCU is this or that politically when it's run through so many writers and directors. You can have a film say X, then the next say. No actually X is bad and Y is good, and so on. The MCU Formula that people are getting sick of has a lot more to do with plot structure and endless quips than politics. Furthermore the MCU's weird format where it's run more like an endlessly syndicated T.V show than a movie franchise puts it in the same conundrum as real life comics. It's supposed to set in the real world, so the status quo not changing has a lot less to due with insidious Liberalism and more to due with the fact you couldn't tell a Spider-Man story in some crazy Sci-Fi future world without it being a one-off Days of Future Past style "Bad Timeline" story.
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I'd like to remind you all that you can join us over in the CineD Star Wars thread, because the points you're bringing up are stuff we've gone over endlessly ourselves and it's always fun to have new blood in the thread.
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Sep 17, 2020 01:05
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Hodgepodge posted:i'm not sure why you're omitting that it was the fact that netflix decided to market it to pedos with an ad campaign based on sexualized images of kids that drew a lot of disgust and anger in cspam that kicked things off, but if the reason isn't that you werent aware then gently caress off Netflix knew drat well what they were doing with that ad campaign and they'll get no sympathy from me. Regardless what the movie is actually about they made a conscious decision to promote it as CP and I say let em' burn.
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I can never get into alt history books because they always have the same people being born and ending up in the same positions as real life hundreds of years after the event that changed the timeline. Like the entirety of Eurasia is blown up by a meteor in 1650? Abraham Lincoln still frees the slaves.
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Some Guy TT posted:If nothing else I have to appreciate the acknowledgement that nearly every adult man in the United States in the fifties was if not a veteran at least directly affected by the war somehow and it's really obnoxious how most critique of fifties era pop culture does not acknowledge this subtext at all You could say the OG Flintstones did in an indirect way (even if it didn't realize it) by having the Sacred Order of the Water Buffaloes. Most people today don't get it at all or just think it's the Freemasons. But it's a lot more. Groups like the Lions Club and the Elks Club exploded in popularity after WW2, because besides their public purpose of being charities they served the function of being support and therapy groups for the gargantuan mass of veterans in a time before widespread public acceptance of mental-health. And it's no surprise that all these groups have mostly vanished because no American war, even Vietnam, ever came close to WW2 and thus they died out as the veterans did. So for a 50's/60's sitcom like the Flintstones having all the adult men be members of an animal themed secret society was considered normal, even if the show doesn't actually state why all the men care so much about it.
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Oct 13, 2020 20:32
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MonsieurChoc posted:Les Mis is a different Revolution. In the 80 so years between 1789 and 1870 France saw more than a dozen revolutions, coups, counter coups, and that time Napoleon III launched a coup against himself. It was possible for a man to be born under the old monarchy and live under more government than he had fingers.
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Oct 14, 2020 23:49
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Some Guy TT posted:Will always find it very funny that the dominos pizza guy has been known as a huge booster for fundie politics for literal decades now but people act like the notion of unwoke chain food branding began and ended with chick-fil-a I thought that was the Papa Johns guy. Wait, are all the pizza people fascist?!
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Oct 26, 2020 03:54
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Some Guy TT posted:I thought the movie series stopped because nobody liked it and it wasn't making enough money There was also the issue that they had run out of books in the series where the Christianity Metaphor could be easily smoothed into inoffensive non-denominational feel-goods. The remaining books were: Why Islam is totally lame Aslan turns to the reader/screen and says "Yes I am literally Jesus" while saying Atheism is of the devil. A retelling of Genesis where Nuclear Weapons are original sin invented by Satan. How Muslims saying they worship the Abrahamic God is a dirty lie invented by Satan, but the good ones can still get to heaven by accidentally loving Jesus, Narnia is destroyed by invading Muslims, and the Apocalypse happens and Aslan sends a bunch of cute talking animals to hell. This is also the one where Susan isn't in heaven because the rest die in a train crash on their way to help Narnia but she stayed home and so is still alive on Earth. I think Lewis was going more for "She cared too much about materialism and so stopped believing." Instead of "She was a filthy Whore!" but I can totally see how that reading is plausible considering the rest of the book.
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sebmojo posted:that's worryingly accurate but you missed out the silver chair which has the excellent and edifying message that depression sucks and you should maybe leave your room sometimes Aslan turns to the reader/screen and says "Yes I am literally Jesus" while saying Atheism is of the devil Is the Silver Chair. Narnia is actually kind of a sad case because the books are actually extremely well written and extremely enjoyable. There are segments like when they travel through Charn (a dead world where all life was wiped out by
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Some Guy TT posted:that has to be the most elegant example ive ever seen of a writer completely failing to write distinctive voices for their characters It kind of reminds me how tons of lazy X-Men writers always have a characters first appearance in every issue (no matter how popular the character) come with a text-box that states their code-name and power. For instance the first panel of every issue where Cyclops appears will have over his head "Cyclops:Scott Summers, Optic Blasts of Concussive Force", Of course the difference being that there are actually good X-Men Comics where I'd hazard a guess there has never been a good Mortal Kombat comic.
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Aglet56 posted:don't forget the episode where bashir meets a paraplegic woman, hangs out with her in a room with the artificial gravity turned off so she can feel "normal" for a moment, tries to pressure her into fixing her legs, and also tries to bang her To be honest it always angers me when sci-fi/fantasy stories do disability metaphors in settings where said disability is easily curable thanks to wizards or nanobots or whatever, but the character refuses to fix it . I understand that the writers are trying to tell the audience that you shouldn't be ashamed or feel lesser because you're deaf or whatever. But as someone with a condition that made me disabled until the miracle of modern surgery allowed me to function normally, I can confidently say gently caress you to anyone who says it's somehow a sign of inner strength or self-confidence to remain disabled out of some kind of spiteful pride. If you're doing a disability episode don't make it something that is curable. It's quite frankly insulting.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The Melora episode does a better job because the point is that she isn't disabled, but she's evolved to function in a very different environment. Is interesting that they point out that the station is not designed to be wheelchair accessible, compared to most Starfleet ships and stations. You can say she's from a low gravity planet all you want, but the writers intent was very clear. She's a person in a wheelchair who could easily remedy the situation. It wouldn't even take much to make the episode acceptable. Just change it to something where her species just can't walk for some reason and they can't fix it. Bam, now the episode gets across the don't look down on the disabled message without making it seem like everyone with a condition is in some kind of counter-culture cult. And also that Bashir really needs to stop trying to bang his patients.
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Literally the only place I have seen anyone not find baby Yoda eating the eggs a hilarious bit of dark comedy is click-bait articles with suspiciously samey headlines. This is 100% manufactured by Disney.
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Nov 12, 2020 23:06
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mastershakeman posted:Can't believe they didn't say wow , mandolorians are shown being obsessed with precious metals The main character belongs to an ultra-orthodox sect that believes you shouldn't take your hat off.
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Dec 6, 2020 03:25
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The Satanic Verses fatwa is the start and stop of why Salman Rushdie is famous. Getting marked for death by the "Great Enemy" of Iran is to a lot of people the equivalent to personally spitting in Hitler's face. Doesn't matter if the book was any good or that Iran isn't actually an existential threat or even particularly notorious by the standards of authoritarian states. It's the narrative of those uppity Muslims being mad at one of our brave patriotic academics speaking truth to power about their heathen idols.
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KomradeX posted:I've been going on for months about how Not Liz Warren doing "an epic burn" on some local party leader being a former factory worker shows just how much liberals hate the mere idea of working people rising above their station I'm pretty sure you never watched the show because that's not what happens at all. No "epic burn" takes place at all much less how that character could be seen as Warren unless you think everything with a vagina is a clone of Warren. The entire scene was about party politics/bureaucracy and the erosion of the Soviet system in the 80's. Now you could actually critique that the dysfunction of the Soviet Union is played up, exaggerated and held to double standards by Western Media. In fact every non-cspam person I've talked to who watched the show came out of it thinking better of the Soviet Union than they did going in. Both because it showed many of the people running it in a good light, but more importantly because it shows (whether intentionally or not) that the Soviets were able to effectively manage a crisis that modern America (under either party) would be unable to. I've no joke heard people who watched it say "Good thing it happened in the 80's USSR because we'd have failed to deal with it until it irradiated the Western Hemisphere".
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Jan 8, 2021 01:42
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KomradeX posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idb_qsAAe1c I know exactly the type of contempt you're talking about, but the scene is a bog standard "Politician won't listen to the scientist warning about the asteroid/Godzilla/earths core/aliens" scene.
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Both the Shoe dude and the Coal Miners are part of one of the shows themes about the USSR being run by political hacks and good ol'' boy networks (The fact that this actually describes the U.S. is the actual Liberal propaganda in the show, alongside things like the Holodomor granny). The Coal Miners are heroically contrasted against the Coal Minister who is portrayed as being a political stooge who knows nothing about coal. The scene with the shoe guy scene isn't about him being an uppity peasant, he ran a shoe factory not actually make shoes. It's about him being a political appointee who won't listen to Scientist warning him about the Volcano/Typhoon/Ice Age/Dinosaur Outbreak. Of the "bad" of the show all but the KGB chief follow this theme. Dyatlov, the local party bosses, the Shoe guy. What's actually really weird is that the actual Politburo and Soviet Leadership is generally portrayed good. I can get Gorbachev since he's a Liberal darling for selling out the country, but Boris and the rest are rather strangely portrayed as actually attempting to solve the problem in the best way possible. Even the Big Shot Military General is portrayed heroically.
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Jan 11, 2021 02:18
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Is it really that odd that Chinese kids want to be a thing that their government pushes as cool and awesome and is touting as a point of national pride? Is it really that odd that American kids don't care about a thing their government doesn't give a poo poo about funding and tells them it's all done by robots now anyway?
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Feb 2, 2021 22:40
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People who drone on about how mature and ideologically pure they are for not liking superhero movie are a million times worse than people who get way too into superhero movies.
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Feb 16, 2021 17:31
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ArmZ posted:people forget but thx 1138 and american graffiti are really good. The whole "Star Wars was terrible and George Lucas is a hack and Marcia Lucas made a good movie" narrative doesn't really hold weight. Every movie is terrible before a good editor gets their hands on it. Yes, Marcia Lucas' masterful editing is important to what makes Star Wars a classic, but she couldn't have done that without having high quality raw materials. I've seen many movies with great editing that were still trash.
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Feb 21, 2021 05:05
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MeatwadIsGod posted:Also it seems like they went all out with the Malthusian propaganda in those Avengers movies Not really. The whole point is that Thanos is doing it out of spite and when he is proven wrong in Endgame he throws a tantrum and tries to destroy the universe. The tin-foil hat part of me has long wondered if Anarchism (at least the post-WWII western version) is part of some psy-op meant to funnel people away from Socialism. Because I've been noticing what you just said for some years now.
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Some Guy TT posted:so im watching the stand and im just curious is there some kind of twist or is the story exactly as black and white as it looks It will never not amaze me that for this adaption they deciding to practically skip the first half of the book (the good half) and spend most all the series on the universally disliked even by the author second half.
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Some Guy TT posted:im trying to come up with a counterexample of a mainline film in the teens where the leads had good chemistry and all ive got is passengers which is interesting because chris pratt and jennifer lawrence dont have chemistry in any of their other film roles which suggests directorial influence rather than a dearth of acting talent is whats killing sexual chemistry at the movies I think you hit the spot on directorial influence, not just about romance though, but about several aspects of current film making. You can see that a lot of directors these days have zero idea how choreograph an action scene these days for instance. In fact with things like Marvel movies the directors aren't even directing the action scenes, those are made in advance (because they're so CGI heavy) and the director just slots them into the film. Not to mention the frightening lack of control most directors get these days in general. Studios dictating every exact detail hasn't been this bad since the 60's.
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Some Guy TT posted:ive got some bad news about how most war propaganda movies pretend to be antiwar Do you think Das Boot is Nazi apologia because it humanizes the crew? Letters is basically entirely about how evil and hosed the Japanese Empire was and how the protagonist has to spend more time surviving it than he does the Americans. The main antagonist of the film is his superior officer who tries to have him executed for not being fanatical enough, tries to force them all to commit suicide, and then hypocritically surrenders to the Americans to save his own skin. The whole theme of the movie is that "noble warrior orientalism" is a scam to sucker the grunts into dying for those at the top.
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