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Stairmaster posted:walton goggins was not in reservoir dogs wtf are you smoking The army buddy who drinks with him and invites him to the “definitely not communist” meeting. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 04:30 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The most inspired casting in the Fallout tv show was making Rappaport play a character just as stupid as he is. I can’t think of anyone else who could have sold that particular blend of cowardice, stupidity, and malice more perfectly. Deeply enjoyed it when Maximus summed up how he died.
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Nichael posted:he's a stupid rear end in a top hat in real life, but he played the role of stupid rear end in a top hat very well. It was what he was born for
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It doesn't actually matter what Howard believes because all that matters is the conspiracy of the powerful. Having American values or not is completely immaterial. It lets the whole country off the hook. The people seated in the conference room also aren't corporate heads, they're representatives of their respective corporations. Howard's wife even receives orders directly from a shadowy figure implied to either be Vault-Tec's CEO or an even higher authority. I don't expect an American tv show to say that communism is good and capitalism is bad, but I DO expect a Fallout tv show to say that America itself is bad, and not just the "professional managerial class" or the shadowy corporate cabals. It saps itself of all meaningful critique and ultimately says nothing, which is a credit I have to give to the Bethesda games. At least they presented some interesting ideas. This is just exhuming the corpse of Fallout to manipulate it like a marionette and tell an even worse story. This seems a bit contrarian, while it isn't Vault-Tec's CEO giving the pitch, the people they're pitching are clearly meant to be corporate heads, one is explicitly, House, the Howard Hughes / Walt Disney analogue, and the others are depicted as peers, and as having the authority to commit their corporations to the project. EDIT: I see I was beaten to the punch here, so to try and justify this reply's existence, I'll just add that while I don't doubt a person could genuinely feel the way you do about the show, and I guess there could be somebody somewhere who honestly thinks the Bethesda games "presented some interesting ideas", the combination of the two makes me think this is some kind of bit. Also, the reason "shadowy cabals" as an understanding of politics and history are looked down on by Communists is because they're a means of obscuring class interests, as Alex Jones loves to scream about, Satanic evildoers doing evil for Satan, unrelated to material gain. The villains in the show are explicitly businessmen reacting to falling profitability and are acting to protect their profits by securing a monopoly. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 08:41 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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Tankbuster posted:Walt disney's expy runs the nuka cola corporation. Which is also a weapons manufacturer. This is what I get for never finishing 4.
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Apr 14, 2024 08:43
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Maximus is the perfect example to go off of because he's the worst written character in the show. They start off by presenting him as fanatically devoted to the Brotherhood because they saved his life, but then he becomes disenchanted because he's the barracks bitch boy and has to do latrine duty. The incident with Initiate Dane sets up an interesting conflict for Maximus because it leads you to believe he'd do anything to get his chance at being a Knight, but they reveal later in the final episode that Dane did it to himself. Why? To establish that Maximus is a good guy? Well he immediately does the worst thing in the season by leading the brotherhood to the observatory to complete the genocide of NCR just to save his own rear end. He's seen guys masturbate but never tried it himself, and that would be consistent with a religious fanatic but he's not. He gives up on the Brotherhood at the first chance he gets. He doesn't even act like someone who has lived in this world all his life. He's certainly primed to be bitterly disenchanted for the reasons you mentioned. His actual disenchantment comes first, when one of the Knights he's idolized, whose symbol has been branded onto him, turns out to be a totally contemptible incompetent coward, and again when he realizes that even if he accomplishes his mission, at best he'll spend the rest of his life living a lie, trusting no one. He actually thinks he's doing the right thing by leading the brotherhood to the observatory, as far as he knows, the girl he's infatuated with has gone alone to the camp of some bandit chieftain who kidnapped her father. The Brotherhood has every reason to keep the recruits ignorant of the existence of an organized NCR remnant, as they might very well feel some loyalty to it instead. That's a key part of the tragedy of the ending. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 00:07 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He literally says that he's gonna lead them to the real head, and he knows that Lucy has the head. So he's basically leading the genocidal military order straight to his girlfriend. The Brotherhood has never been established as hostile to the Vault dwellers though, presumably seeing them as being close enough to the old fascist order they're trying to preserve that they're not fair game for looting. I don't recall the exact words, but he says to Dane that he thinks he's coming with the cavalry to rescue Lucy.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That's still stupid. The brotherhood wouldn't have distinguished Lucy from the raiders. The only way to read Maximus is that he's mentally challenged. He doesn't understand the world he lives in and comes up with bad plans like this all the time because he's impulsive. He treated Intelligence as his dump stat, and that's really a more accurate way to read the main characters. Which SPECIAL stat did they dump? Lucy dumped endurance, Maximus dumped intelligence, and Howard dumped charisma when he changed races. You're assuming facts not in evidence here, the Brotherhood are fascist assholes, but there's nothing depicted in the show, or in the games I've played, to lead us to think they'd insist on murdering non-mutant prisoners of a raider gang they were attacking. Thaddeus doesn't react incredulously when "Knight Titus" talks about going to help Lucy, and later Dane does tell Maximus his plan is not feasible, not because they'd have to kill Lucy, but because he won't be able to safely desert. They're a different flavor of genocidal than the Enclave.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Brotherhood depicted in the show is directly descended from the Brotherhood in Fallout 4, which WAS fascist and genocidal to the point they'd kill anyone suspected of collaborating with mutants. We know they still have a hard on for mutants because Thaddeus talks about how much ghouls suck and they should kill them. When they showed up at the observatory they would have killed anything that moves, and not only does Lucy have the head she's also armed and would act to defend herself. Once the battle starts there's no way Maximus could control it. She could've easily been killed by a stray bullet. Which is why I specified non-mutant prisoners. The most reasonable assumption, given what Maximus knows, would be that she would neither have the head or be armed - if Moldaver does agree to trade for her father, she is not likely to stick around, and given that Maximus has no reason to believe Moldaver would be trustworthy, the more likely assumption is that she'd be taken prisoner and have neither the head or a weapon.
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Tankbuster posted:He believes in a higher ideal like an abstract - kinda like american social liberals do about socialism but will do nothing to aid it materially. He bosses thaddeus around because he has a mean streak to him and wants to continue that so he asks thaddeus to diss maximus. Thaddeus just comes out and says that maximus wasn't that bad and he hoped he had found someone else to torture in turn. Its about as good as it gets in a cult. The ironic resemblance of his panicked awkward sprint into danger to save the squire he hated, to Titus' panicked awkward sprint hoping the bear went for his squire instead of him, was pretty great.
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If we have to talk about Tolkein, Fellowship was a great adaptation, Two Towers was a sad bastardization, and whoever should have been responsible for holding Jackson's leash on Return should have been dealt with as a deserter in the face of the enemy.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:From what I've heard Fellowship has the most practical effects/least CGI, and the following two movies have more and more CGI. Is that true? Or is it more that Two Towers and Return don't adapt their source material as well as Fellowship? I need to watch these already. Both. It’s kind of weird to say about high fantasy by a monarchist, but there’s a real groundedness in Tolkien’s trilogy, that Fellowship maintains pretty well, but that gets eroded more and more with each movie, as they get more and more obnoxiously Hollywood
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indigi posted:nah that happens in the books too and it's deliberate. he uses different styles of prose depending on the location of the characters The books do definitely change in some respects at different points, but there’s never a point in the books where things like the army of dead at Pelennor, or an inexplicable teleporting army of elves, don’t clash horribly with the tone.The books get “epic” to be sure, but never the slop that passes for Hollywood “epic” Or stuff like making the Ents look like a stupid joke so Merry and Pippin could show an idiot’s idea of cleverness Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 04:44 on Apr 30, 2024 |
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