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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

PYF “ultraleftist” ideology

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Mel Magazine: Inside the World of Weird Catholic Twitter — and the 'Rad Trads'

there's some overlap between the modern day extremely online trad Catholics and the leftist millennial Tradinistas who are definitely not conservatives. on the other hand,

Dreddout posted:

Tradcaths are a particularly loud meme ideology on the alt-right.

Yeah dude you're totally gonna establish thomism as the state ideology of america!

far-right extremely online rad Caths were also around the early '10s as part of the Neoreaction/Dark Enlightenment crowd. They might have labelled themselves as the Orthosphere, or that was just one blog that represented them. basically these were "throne and altar" dudes who fetishized 16th century paintings of old bearded dudes as their avatars, and traded long walls of text about de Maistre and other counterrevolutionary archreactionaries on their late-'00s looking Blogspot/WordPress blogs. so a very different style and age demographic from contemporary frog Twitter rad Caths, and much worse at meming. the old PYF Dark Enlightenment Thinker probably mentions them.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

so when did ancaps go from the usual lolbertarians and Ron Paul acolytes to becoming an internet meme? and do they actually go to protests and wave their black-and-yellow flag? and how do they fit in with the r/neoliberal crowd?

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

why is it always just Stalin vs. Trotsky, was there anyone else who could’ve posed their own unique Soviet school of thought like errr Bukharin

also funny how this is mirrored by Mao vs. Lin Biao

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

There are always heraldry loving scepter-lickers and fans of royal glamour and tabloid-fodder but neoreactionary also had a strong monarchical component, both from tech chuds like Moldbug who are open about their disdain for democracy, and the aforementioned throne and altar trad Catholics, so monarchism is actually making a meme comeback

Also DPRK Juche tankies who are okay with that country's domination under the Kims for some reason

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/1052004838131654657?s=21

Taiwan is an interesting case of non-leftist land reform succeeding

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

You can just make up meme ideaologies by putting the words dark, chaos, anarcho, or primitive in front of pretty much any abstract idea.

That’s also how you create musical micro-genres.

Jungle Posadism

Radical Indie Technocracy

Ultra-Industrial Situationist

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

I'm a Catholic Afro-Futurist.

hello, Nick Fuentes

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Found an article about the book that inspired this hot take


Karl Marx vs. Henry George

quote:

In Neo-classical Economics as a Stratagem Against Henry George (2007), University of California economist Mason Gaffney argues that George and his Land Value Tax pose a far greater threat than Marx to America’s corporate elite. America’s enormous concentration of wealth has always depended on the inherent right of the wealthy elite to seize and monopolize vast quantities of land and natural resources (oil, gas, forests, water, minerals, etc) for personal profit. Adopting an LVT, which is far easier than launching a violent revolution, would essentially negate that right. What’s more, every jurisdiction that has ever implemented an LVT finds it works exactly the way George predicted it would. Productivity, prosperity, and social wellbeing flourish, while inflation, wealth inequality, and boom and bust recessions and depressions virtually vanish.

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In Neo-classical Economics, Gaffney reveals that this backlash took two main forms. The first was the Red Scare (1919-1989), overseen by J Edgar Hoover as Assistant Attorney General and later as FBI director. The second was more insidious and involved the deliberate reframing of the classical economic theory developed by Adam Smith, Locke, Hume, and Ricardo as so-called neoclassical economics. The latter totally negates Adam Smith’s basic differentiation between “land”, a limited, non-producible resource. and “capital”, a reproducible result of past human production. Smith, Locke, Hume, and Ricardo all held that individuals have no right to seize and monopolize scarce natural resources, such as land, minerals, water, and forests. They believed that because these resources are both limited and essential for human survival, they should belong to the public.

Neoclassical economics, which first developed in the 1890s, was based on the premise that growth and development can only occur if a handful of rent-seekers are allowed to monopolize scarce land and natural resources for their personal profit. Henry George, who publicly debated the early pioneers of neoclassical economics, claimed the science of economics was being deliberately distorted to discredit him. Gaffney agrees. Because George’s proposal to replace income and sales tax with single land value taxed is based on logical concepts of land, capital, labor, and rent advanced by Adam Smith, Locke, Hume, and Ricardo, they all had to be discredited.

Gaffney believes neoclassical economic theory undermines George’s arguments for a single Land Value Tax in two basic ways: 1) by claiming that land is no different from other capital (ironically Marx made the identical argument) and 2) by portraying the science of economics as a series of hard choices and sacrifices that low and middle income people must make. Some examples:

  • If we want efficiency, we must sacrifice equity.
  • To attract business, we must lower taxes and shut libraries and defund schools.
  • To prevent inflation, we must keep a large number of Americans unemployed.
  • To create jobs, we must destroy the environment and pollute the air, water, and food chain.
  • To raise productivity, we must fire people.

Gaffney’s book traces the phenomenal public support Georgism enjoyed before the tenets of neoclassical economics took hold in American universities. In addition to inspiring the Populist and Progressive movements, an LVT to fund irrigation projects in California’s Central Valley made California the top producing farm state. In 1916 the first federal income tax law was introduced by Georgist members of Congress (Henry George Jr and Warren Bailey) and included virtually no tax on wages. In 1934 Georgist Upton Sinclair was almost elected governor of California.

Gaffney also identifies the robber barons whose fortunes financed the economics departments of the major universities who went on to substitute neooclassical economics for classical economic theory. At the top of this list were

  • Ezra Cornell (owner of both Western Union and Associated Press) – founder of Cornell University
  • John D Rockefeller – helped fund the University of Chicago and installed his cronies in its economics department.
  • J. P Morgan – investment banker and early funder of Columbia University
  • B&O Railroad – John Hopkins University
  • Southern Pacific Railroad – Stanford University

The final section of Gaffney’s book lays out the tragic economic, political, and social consequences of allowing the Red Scare and neoclassical economics to stifle America’s movement for a single Land Value Tax:

Georgism has enjoyed somewhat of a minor meme resurgence online recently, but funny how there was a book that preceded that which claims it was suppressed by a conspiracy from Big Landlord.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/rayrduffy/status/1440443358585913345

https://www.ignatius.com/The-Lost-Mandate-of-Heaven-P1532.aspx

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:



This is just the assholes in Eastern Washington, gently caress you you stupid meme generator

Are they actually Strasserists? I would just think they're right-wing agrarians.

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://steemit.com/politics/@ekklesiagora/third-ways-distributism-georgism-and-social-democracy

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Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

Maximo Roboto posted:

Georgist land value tax getting some network news play

https://twitter.com/FairweatherPhD/status/1562469670904422400

wait lol so what's the angle with this



ah so there's a pro-developer angle opposing pro-land speculator interests (land hoarders)



https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1565812254116913152

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