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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I am close friends with the author of 'Adventures of the Detachable Penis' and I so seldom get a chance to brag about it.

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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I think it was someone in this thread who mentioned Engine Summer, and I want to thank them because I just finished it and it was excellent. Dreamy and confusing and not much happens in it, but I loved it.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Selachian posted:

If you liked it, you really need to try Little, Big. I also enjoyed Crowley's Aegypt novels.

Noted, thank you!

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

pseudorandom name posted:

Star Trek's magic-rock powered space ships are more realistic than Becky Chambers' push pedal powered space ships or self-winding robots.

Not really? I mean the bar of 'believable' is subjective I suppose.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

pseudanonymous posted:


I really don't remember if the Pern books are any good I read them when I was 12. In retrospect, I appreciate that people actually wore straps and had dragon harnesses, it drives me nuts when people just climb in a giant firebreathing lizards scaly back and go swooping around in the air and don't fall off, but it's a "gritty realistic fantasy world".


Eeeehhhhhhh. There's some good stuff *in* them but the sexual politics are all hosed up.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I love Always Coming Home and I just read Engine Summer and adored it - any recs for similar books? Cultural exploration, not too much hand-holding? I really like how CJ Cherryh will just start you in the middle of a setting and let you pick it up as you go along, too, that's my favourite trick in sf/fantasy stuff.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
It'd be worth checking out some collections of short science fiction too, that's one way to start narrowing down the kind of style you like, and themes you like, if you're not super familiar with the genre.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
CJ Cherryh's Alliance-Union stuff takes place far, far from Earth, though I'm not sure it could be said to be 'space opera' exactly, it's not usually very light-hearted.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

pradmer posted:


The Black Prism (Lightbringer #1) by Brent Weeks - $2.99
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003JTHY76/

Anyone read these? The sample pages were pretty good but it's not on sale in the UK.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Lunsku posted:

I do think you've sold me on Cherryh finally. She's been on my "pick this up maybe" list for a while - one of those writers who've never got Finnish translations, so I would think locally a bit underlooked.

I'm v pleased, she's a wonderful writer. Elegant with her world-building and exposition.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

quantumfoam posted:

David Brin's Uplift universe stories are worth reading for the galactic species and Interstellar Universal Library concept in them. For a 2020 new to David Brin's Uplift stories, yes there is awkward interspecies sex scenes in each of the Uplift books that can/probably should be skipped over. What's that?...... *high pitched clicking and sqeaking*....... DolphinFucker heavily disagrees with that last statement.


I got about four pages into the first Uplift book and there was a bit where the main character was mentally drooling over how hot a woman looked in a bikini and I decided maybe I didn't feel like reading them after all.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Random Acts of Senseless violence is about a twelve-year-old girl's life during the self-destruction of America. Society crumbles and she notices about as much of it as you'd expect a kid her age to notice. It's all written from her perspective and sometimes she's a little poo poo, but overall I got very attached to her and I liked the prose.

e: Oh there's always On The Beach if you're more in a mood for slow miserable existential nightmare apocalypse but I feel like that might not be quite the thing

HopperUK fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Aug 26, 2020

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

DurianGray posted:

It's pretty close to the Voynich Manuscript (weird illustrations, unreadable fake language) but much newer and a lot less mysterious. It was written and illustrated by an Italian artist named Luigi Serafini and was published in 1981. It goes for a pretty penny these days since it basically never gets reprinted, and I'm still kicking myself that I didn't pick one up from my local used bookstore when they had a copy for about $90.

I was able to get a copy of the recent reprint a couple years ago for my friend's birthday for about 50 quid or so. It's gorgeous.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
It seems to me there is a qualitative difference between reading about something that factually happened to educate yourself about history, and reading about something in a work of fiction. I wouldn't say 'the Malazan books should not contain that stuff' - clearly he can write whatever he likes, it's fine. But I wouldn't read those books now, knowing that's in there and executed so casually.

I mean, dogs die a lot and are mistreated horribly in real life but I wouldn't read a detailed account of animal torture in a fictional work either because it would upset me. That 'avoid history books then' take is loving horrible.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

PawParole posted:

I really like generation ships and first contact scenarios. I’m into the sociology of sci-fi far more than the whiz-bang technology.

Same! That's why I love the Alliance-Union stuff by CJ Cherryh so much. All about people, and the people things they do, in space.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Safety Biscuits posted:

Does this happen? The review Strix Nebulosa linked made it sound pretty interesting.

It happens, more or less. The young man bonded with the alpha female wolf has sex with multiple other men and while he is there voluntarily, it isn't anything he wanted, and it traumatizes him badly and never really goes away, he's dealing with it throughout the rest of his time in the books. I've read two or three of them, I forget now. She's a good author but it's not going to be for everyone, to say the least.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

pseudorandom name posted:

One of the single most important life skills I learned as an adult is that you don't have to finish books once you've started them.

I know? I read em until I didn't feel like it any more and then I stopped.

I mean I have untreated ADHD so I can't remember the last time I finished a book lol

:smith:

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
If anything I could do with chilling out a bit. I give books hardly any time to charm me these days. If I'd been like this as a kid I'd never have gotten into genre fiction in the first place probably.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Remember how in Turnabout Intruder, the main baddy ends up going insane and hysterical because her FEMININE WOMAN BRAIN couldn't handle the strain of starship command? I'm guessing it's that kind of thing.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

freebooter posted:

If we're talking about public domain books, what are people's general SFF reccs for those?

I think The War of the Worlds, 1898, is probably the oldest book I've read that I really genuinely enjoyed (as opposed to appreciated or admired, like Moby Dick for example). We've probably all seen some adaptation of it or another by now, but if you haven't read the original, it really holds up. In fact I think the year I read it, it was my best book of the year, even though I knew all the fundamental story beats. Wells just paints an absolutely engrossing portrait of a catastrophe visited upon a deeply "normal" corner of the world. One of the things that really sticks in my mind over the years is the atmosphere of a hot summer and long days, twilight at 10pm, with the aliens landing on the common and a horrible sense of foreboding, of the calm before the storm.


IMO this is Clarke's best work

War of the Worlds is one of my favourite books. I probably read it once a year or so. It's fantastic.

Though I did also enjoy Moby Dick, so.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Frankenstein! I was thinking I'd forgotten something important and it's Frankenstein. It's a genuinely good read though you have to be down with Victor being kind of a histrionic idiot. And it is a bit noticeable that it was Shelley's first novel and she was young when she wrote it. Still great though.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Is there a physical book I can get with the Lord Dunsany stuff in it? Everything on Amazon looks shady or low-quality or weird.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Like 3/4ths of Dunsany's books are public domain and available online with an easy search. There are good editions of two of them here: https://standardebooks.org/ebooks?query=dunsany


I know, but I was asking about a physical book. Thanks anyway! And thanks everyone for the tips.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Feel like I could mention Frankenstein again too. It's really good honest.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Milkfred E. Moore posted:

I've been reading a lot of bad books lately. Thread, recommend me your best or favorites in SF/F. I'm not going to list what I like because I wouldn't mind going outside my comfort zone or usual suggestions.

Finity's End by CJ Cherryh
Watership Down by Richard Adams
Always Coming Home by Ursula K LeGuin
The Dark Tower by Stephen King - first 3 books are the best

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Random Acts of Senseless Violence takes place during the collapse of the US but it's not really SF. Great though.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

algebra testes posted:

Circe looks cool, is it worth adding to my pile of "i will get to one day" fantasy?

The Madeline Miller book? It's very very good.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Boody posted:

For anyone in the UK Orconomics is available to read for free as part of Amazon's Prime Reading.

Ooh thanks for the tip.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Not to be a downer but it's not like rape isn't present in the actual lives of a lot of women, you know? Not that I love it just showing up all the time but it's something a lot of authors probably have experience of.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Our ridiculous nationalists get really excited still about the one time we won the football World Cup back in 1966. *Really* excited, that we won *once*, almost sixty years ago.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Went back to Riddley Walker after falling away from it and read through in a white heat to the end. What an incredible book. Even if I did have to read most of it out loud to myself in a dodgy country accent.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
No one would have believed in the first years of the twenty-first century that this house was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over furniture. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of Homebase as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of recliners within them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be three-piece suites within IKEA, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of the M25, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this living room with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I started the Uplift omnibus once and the 'weird attitude to women' showed itself on page 3 or so and I put it aside in disgust. Glad to see I wasn't just feeling grumpy that day.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
I enjoyed Diane Duane chiming in all 'well that's me told then'. I think a lot more authors start off in fanfic than that OP would suspect. I know Naomi Novik did and her work is excellent these days.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Collateral posted:

I've heard that fanfiction is very bad though, with its own structural rules, social hierarchy and general hive mind consensus for each fan area of it. I could be wrong, so please correct me if so.


It *can* be but this is kind of a separate issue, almost, in terms of fan communites being potentially toxic. That's a wholly different issue to just 'writing fanfic makes you a bad author' which is obviously just not the case.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The Temeraire series was so painful and disappointing. It starts out with a great concept but by about three books in none of the characters felt like believable people any more, just ludicrously modern sentiment generators swanning about the landscape.

Yeah I hear that, I dropped off that series too. But 'Uprooted' is really good.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Benagain posted:

Naomi Novik is a good enough writer that I think she kind of trapped herself with the Temeraire series in that it obviously started out as 'what if ships were dragons' and no one including herself expected it to take off. You can see the swerve where she actually starts thinking about some of the issues like 'how are these dragons fed' and 'what effect would it have on world history if air forces existed before industry of any kind.' You can also see from her later works that once she struck it big she stayed away from the long drawn out series and focused on tighter, focused, single volume works because she probably felt burned by that whole experience.

She's obviously way more at home with fable inspired fantasy that's for sure.

Yeah that kinda is how it feels. Like how 'wait how are these dragons not just slaves, they're fully sapient' never quite manages to become The Point in a way I would have liked it to. I really like the books but they're definitely a series where if you find yourself not very engaged with one, you should quit there.
You can tell she got started in Aubrey-Maturin fanfic - the O'Brian books scratch the same itch for me without any dragons in them at all. Just great characters.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Riot Carol Danvers posted:

I'm gonna post a warning for Ancillary Justice here: the narrator for the first audiobook is godfuckingawful, so if that's your preferred method, I'm sorry. If you can manage to get past that, the book is really really good.

Went to look this up and realised it is the actual book I'm currently reading. I need sleep.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
CJ Cherryh in some of her books writes just excellent prose. Clear, evocative, sweeps you into the world. I was blown away by Finity's End when I read it. She isn't flashy but she's effortless.

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HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
Ooo thanks for the Czemeda tip!

Here's a bit of Dunsany - this website seems to have most of him. It's a particular style and I have a copy of Tales of Wonder here somewhere, and you get like - a chapter of a story, not a whole story. But if you like it, you'll like it a lot, I reckon.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/dun/tawo/tawo07.htm

e: I mean, I love this. Not for everyone maybe but I love this.

Lord Dunsany posted:

Observant men and women that know their Bond Street well will appreciate my astonishment when in a jewellers' shop I perceived that nobody was furtively watching me. Not only this but when I even picked up a little carved crystal to examine it no shop-assistants crowded round me. I walked the whole length of the shop, still no one politely followed.

Seeing from this that some extraordinary revolution had occurred in the jewelry business I went with my curiosity well aroused to a queer old person half demon and half man who has an idol-shop in a byway of the City and who keeps me informed of affairs at the Edge of the World. And briefly over a pinch of heather incense that he takes by way of snuff he gave me this tremendous information: that Mr. Neepy Thang the son of Thangobrind had returned from the Edge of the World and was even now in London.

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