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Obstacle2 posted:You might not see it but everyone else does. Have you seen King of Comedy? Scorsese was working on production of this movie, he left to focus on The Irishman.
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King of Comedy is fuckin fantastic and worth the few bucks on prime. But Imma go ahead with a hot take taxi driver as boring and overrated, and most notable for the time it came out. It had a big impact at the time, it ushered in a new era of character driven Cinema at a time Hollywood was out of ideas save for ballooning budgets on Westerns and franchises that were tiring the audience. Only time will tell but I'd sure love it if Joker pushed the current superhero movie the way taxi driver pushed Hollywood then.
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Parental guidance: talented actor elevates potentially average film For real tho this was the scariest clown movie in years
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Oct 5, 2019 08:45
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Whatever else you might say about this movie, it's the most viscerally scary clown movie I can think of
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Oct 5, 2019 11:10
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thepokey posted:I actually quite liked that... it feels like the sort of thing I'd cringe at but I felt it worked here. I think it worked because while it was played as a joke, it wasn't some wise cracking comment in a dangerous situation which removes all tension. That's a marvel/disney/star wars thing. If the little guy had been like "hey dont just sit there, help a fella out!" in some goofy way then .. ugh. But I felt it fit the Joker's theme of humour in chaos and violence. Or it worked because it wasn't funny to the characters involved or its something that would at least give Joker a smirk this scene got noticable laughs from my audience, which really only served to make it more creepy Necrothatcher posted:There is nobody watching this movie who hasn't seen a Batman movie or heard of Bruce Wayne. I might be the odd one out then because it was very easy for me to forget I was watching a batman villain origin story. The moments that gave depth to the greater text of Batman were, for me, rewarding. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Oct 5, 2019 |
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Oct 5, 2019 11:24
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JOHN SKELETON posted:I know, but I was trying to express that if you just concentrate on this movie's story without the Batman connection, those parts are just unnecessary and distracting. They don't effectively tie in to the story or the themes, they are there just for the fans to get that "I know what that is!" moment. You can do nods like that without it being distracting, like maybe if Bruce was in the background or indirectly referenced, I dunno. That said, can I ask are you not interested at all in this being a jump off point for a new batman trilogy that focuses on the villain? IMO the most compelling thing in every Batman movie is the villain.
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Oct 5, 2019 11:35
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JOHN SKELETON posted:I assumed this was just a one-off because Joaquin Phoenix probably wouldn't sign off to do a bunch of sequels, but sure, if there was a sequel that somehow worked well, then retroactively in the context of a series of movies, yeah, those Bruce scenes would probably start to feel more appropriate. Nolans Batman movies sucked to me. Bale is an interesting actor but those movies only allowed him to serve as an oscillating prop toward whatever villain appeared, and those villains carried the movies. I think that was intentional, regardless, he was either screaming or quietly pretending to be the Bruce Wayne playboy. A Batman movie in this new Joker Universe could be very good if it's allowed to be actor driven, the melodrama of Batman as a character is only briefly served in Nolans (or anyone elses) Batman films. I think Ben Affleck had a more interesting Wayne character even though the rest of the movie around him was bad. Joker felt like they finally gave an interesting subtext to Batman. I want to see the Batman film that hyperfocuses on the fact he is A) privileged, and therefore incapable of feeling what those he protects feel, and B) Bitter for the fact his ideal life as a billionaire was taken from him in a problematic childhood that he tries to avoid. To answer your question, I can definitely see a Batman with his gadgets and high tech toys in this new universe, it comes down to how its presented. Batman movies spend a little time on Wayne being the conflicted and rich hero, I want to see the Batman movie that focuses as entirely on Bruce Wayne as this did on Joker. But, that depends on casting, because Joker is elevated entirely by how good Joaquin Pheonix is. So, side note, who do you think would pull of Batman in a series like this? I honestly thought of Adam Driver, because I'm corny and think he plays a way better conflicted character than Star Wars deserves.
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Oct 5, 2019 12:03
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It's impossible to have an opinion on this movie that doesn't read like a hot take
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Oct 6, 2019 01:37
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Was it Joaquin Phoenix?
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Oct 6, 2019 02:27
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Sonderval posted:I'm a touch confused, everyones calling this film out as violent and horrific etc. but 8 people die in the whole film. Thats pretty low by modern action ish movie standards. It's who the violence is against, "Nice guys" from Wall Street, police, a billionaire, his mother, a work bully. it's tragic violence rather than statistical violence ala Marvel
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Oct 6, 2019 21:53
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:The multiple "midget" jokes are pretty much the only ones aside from Arthur's intentionally bad ones. They got chuckles from my audience but it just seemed like crappy punching-down humor. Then there was the sliding door bit, which was just tonally bizarre. I thought those jokes were a really good metric of what's wrong with the people sitting right next to you
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Oct 7, 2019 17:58
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Joker: class struggle, the legacy of mental illness in a family, violence as justice, a crisis of anonymity, the ease by which we can get guns, economic instability, media worship of the good billionaire Critics: this movie had nothing to say Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 21:16
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DuhSal posted:Before I saw the movie I read some reviews that called it a masterpiece (I disagree) and others saying it was completely shallow (I also disagree) with nothing in between, so I really had no idea what to expect. I ended up thinking it was pretty good with some flaws. Seems like a very polarizing flick. I don't feel like most critics who reviewed this movie, actually reviewed the movie. They scored it against the incel fantasy they'd came up with or against nonstop explody super hero movies. Calling it a masterpiece is kind of like calling some new movie an instant cult classic, like no, that's not how that works either. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Oct 7, 2019 |
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Oct 7, 2019 23:48
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Imo the scene where the worst people in the crowd laugh at the midget is who Phillips accidentally attracted to hangover movies and the line between comedy and drama is razor thin
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Oct 8, 2019 08:56
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Blast Fantasto posted:The score for this movie was very good and reminded me a lot of Johann Johannsson’s work - I looked it up and the composer for Joker, Hildur Guonadottir, actually played cello on a number of Johannsson’s scores. It's really tragic he died. Kids, please stop doing cocaine. It's full of fentanyl these days.
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Oct 8, 2019 20:02
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Sleeveless posted:I can't believe it only took like a year for Gotti's "the critics don't like this movie, so go see it to stick it to those ivory tower media elites" marketing push to be completely internalized. Nah it's true. The criticism is joker is shallow with nothing to say, and audiences disagree. Take this New Yorker review. quote:A movie of a cynicism so vast and pervasive as to render the viewing experience even emptier than its slapdash aesthetic does. Maybe a guy who reviews movies for the New Yorker for a living can't actually relate to the pervasive cynicism defining American culture. I think it's hilarious CNN, a corporate news network, would criticize a movie for being a part of the corporate machine. Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Oct 9, 2019 |
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Oct 9, 2019 02:14
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Either way I took the point to be how easy it is to get guns
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Oct 9, 2019 22:53
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Not trying to be facetious, but, out of respect for the general tone of this thread I rewatched Taxi Driver tonight (it's on Netflix) and holy poo poo is this movie lucky it existed when it did. Dude creeps on a woman working at a porn theater who doesn't wanna tell him his name so he monologues, then stalks a woman for the next hour (even fantasizing about killing her), before becoming obsessed with a child sex worker who he saves in the most fedora fantasy way. The whole thing is accompanied by a dreadful saxophone focused soundtrack which you can never tell whether it's meant as a tone-deaf ally to the whole picture or just an out of date relic of a film score. Robert de Nero is impressive only in his deadpan reading of the script, but if you don't buy his lunacy he simply sounds bored.
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Bottom Liner posted:??? The movie could absolutely be made today. You know he’s not supposed to be a good guy or hero figure, right?? Nightcrawler is a movie that exists and received a lot of praise, despite also being about a sociopathic creep. Protagonists =/= good guy. That's a way better movie. Taxi driver is just incel garbage.
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Oct 11, 2019 17:49
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AFewBricksShy posted:Hey i haven’t seen this yet, so I need to ask here. My kid (12) wants to see this with his friends. The IMDb page doesn’t really give me a good idea of how bad it is. Blade is ten times more violent than this movie but the violence here is Scorsese dark. Not as brutal as like, Casino or Goodfellas. Just very dark and hopeless.
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Oct 12, 2019 00:16
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ruddiger posted:E: Wrap it up Jokerailures it's time to acknowledge this was a great movie
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Jan 7, 2020 06:04
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Tbf I am left handed when I write but in general it's a right handed world. Everything is designed around using your right hand.
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The lengths by which people will go to say they hated this movie, my goodness
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