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Neo Rasa posted:The Alamo near me now has security with bag checks and every person entering has to het metal detectored by hand also dang The marketing for this film is loving genius. It's like a modern day William Castle - they should bring back the gimmick where you get a life insurance policy when you enter that pays out if you don't survive a screening.
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JOHN SKELETON posted:All the stuff with Bruce shouldn't have been there, brings nothing to the movie except people can say "hey that's Batman!" I dunno, maybe they could have done something with Thomas getting pissed at Arthur for coming near Bruce but it's just so clumsy. If you had never seen a Batman movie and never heard of Bruce Wayne you'd be like, why the gently caress are they focusing on this kid all of a sudden? The alley murders are just embarassing. There is nobody watching this movie who hasn't seen a Batman movie or heard of Bruce Wayne.
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Oct 5, 2019 11:24
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Joker takes aim at centrist libs from a left-wing viewpoint, no wonder the media is all in a tizzy about it.
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Oct 5, 2019 16:49
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Also it's kind of in character for him to not give a poo poo what's going on on the streets. He doesn't seem concerned about his personal safety in any other scene.
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Oct 5, 2019 19:41
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fatherboxx posted:it does not, Todd Phillips and the writers don't know what those words mean and dont bother engaging. Who cares what the writers do and don't know?
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Oct 5, 2019 21:13
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The only really outré thing in this I feel was the implication that Arthur possibly had pedophilic tendencies. The Gary Glitter song?
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Oct 6, 2019 18:52
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It was all a dream interpretations are lazy as gently caress (also boring). I mean, sure this movie opens itself up to it more than most, but they go out of their way to depict the delusion of the relationship so why wouldn't they do the same if the entirety of the film was one? This film isn't some puzzlebox to be 'solved', it's got a totally straightforward narrative that arguably over-explains what's happening.
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Oct 6, 2019 19:25
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Despite the Joker saying he's not political, the film is nakedly, obviously political. And it's pretty goddamn socialist to boot.
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Oct 7, 2019 00:06
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:For a movie made by a guy that directed comedies and who is blatantly copying off of King of Comedy's homework, there's pretty much zero comedy here. The few "jokes" I can recall were just flat-out bad in a way that didn't seem intentional. What jokes are you talking about?
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Oct 7, 2019 10:18
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:The multiple "midget" jokes are pretty much the only ones aside from Arthur's intentionally bad ones. They got chuckles from my audience but it just seemed like crappy punching-down humor. Top tier phrasing.
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Oct 7, 2019 11:14
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ThanosWasRight posted:This is a relevant argument to have about film and I feel you are wrong. A truly rancid post. Powerfully dumb.
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Oct 8, 2019 23:04
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Am I an idiot or is ‘the whole movie is a joke the Joker was telling himself in the psychiatrist interview’ a possible interpretation of the film? It's possible, though stupid.
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Oct 9, 2019 15:40
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I like that Randall was the actual evil clown in Joker.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:52
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I've been chatting about this film a lot with people, and it's really weird how they criticise the film for being heavy-handed while also completely understanding its message. It seems like some really weird intellectual snobbery to consider it a failing of a film that it communicates its message clearly. If Joker has something to say about austerity and class war it's a huge plus point in its favor that you're not likely to miss that. Maybe I just really hate the perspective that every film is a puzzlebox to be solved to reveal what it's 'really' about.
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Oct 12, 2019 17:15
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Ashmole posted:I do have a dumb question about the end did he kill the psychiatrist? He was leaving bloody footprints behind him so I think it's safe to say he did.
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Oct 12, 2019 18:13
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It's intentionally ambiguous, there's no right answer. The gag is that not even the Joker knows his true origin story.
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Oct 14, 2019 08:41
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:There was a campaign to get Joaquin to say "We live in a society" in the movie since it's a meme for the semi-fake/semi-real Joker Gamer Virgin community. it is possible you are spending too much time online
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Oct 14, 2019 23:38
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DrVenkman posted:Anyway. Movie is bad, Phillips is clearly uncertain about what he's trying to say. It points its finger at everything because it doesn't know where to point its finger. Maybe it's society, maybe it's the lack of affordable health care, maybe it's nature vs nurture, maybe it's rich people, maybe it's poor people, maybe it's just mental illness, maybe none of this is actually real, maybe this isn't the real Joker but goes on to inspire the real Joker. fyi it's rich people
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Oct 16, 2019 17:20
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Taear posted:I know death of the author and all that but Tom Philips absolutely is a right wing mentalist and I don't think that the film is INTENDED as a leftist thing. Well it's inarguably a leftist film so Joker is a perfect example of why death of the author is cool.
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Oct 16, 2019 17:50
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Steve2911 posted:This was also the worst part of Fight Club. 20 years and society hasn't learned. I don't think I'd have understood Fight Club on first viewing if they hadn't spelt it out with a montage.
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Oct 20, 2019 12:51
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Pulling a Budd Dwyer is obviously something you'd expect him to try on the show, but is there any explicit indication that it was his original plan, and only later switched to kill Murray? Well he rehearses his appearance at length including his suicide so... yeah.
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Oct 23, 2019 17:56
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well why not posted:If we’re doing R rated Batman stuff then sure let’s do another Arnie / Dr Freeze movie. Why not. Mr Freeze is the most overrated villain. He has the exact same story told over and over again.
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Oct 28, 2019 09:30
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LinkesAuge posted:I don't know, to me it feels it misses the mark when it comes to the whole class struggle. Joker certainly isn't a sympathatic figurehead for that. Is his story tragic and sad? Sure but his actions (as well as the directionless destruction by the protests) kinda prove the point of the "rich", not to mention that Bruce's parents are victims at the end of the story. I think stories like this are much more effective when the person suffering because of the system isn't sympathetic. Usually it comes off as didactic if they're some put upon saint.
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Nov 3, 2019 23:09
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Tulip posted:Honestly Joker is so didactic and straightforward I don't know how there's any debate about its themes or content. Literal Maoist propaganda from the Cultural Revolution has more sympathy for capitalists than Joker. The interview with the social worker is so overt about the original sin of the fiction that I'm surprised it didn't have footnotes with page citations about deinstitutionalization.. That I run into professional film critics that call it cynical, confused, and unclear is the sort of thing that makes me think "it is impossible to make a movie immune to willful misinterpretation." Trying to argue this with people who read one scorching hot take about incels from someone who hadn't seen the movie and made up their mind was exhausting. Weirdly I remember doing the exact same thing with Starship Troopers back in the 90s when people thought it was straightforward fascist propaganda rather than a blindingly obvious satire.
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Jan 7, 2020 12:13
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I like how much criticism Joker gets for taking inspiration from cool things. "It's just Taxi Driver / King of Comedy / Andy Kaufman... Etc" ...good? Those things are awesome.
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Sinteres posted:They are, but in the case of the Scorcese movies the comparison is unfavorable to Joker. I mean falling short of peak Scorcese obviously isn't the end of the world, since almost everyone will, but having seen the other movies reduces the novelty of Joker for sure. As for Kaufman, I think Phoenix is good enough that pointing out any inspiration doesn't lessen what he did. It's frustrating. I think prior to this movie's production the idea of a Joker origin story heavily influenced by Scorsese would be basically a dream come true. Plus I think a lot of people just get as far as identifying the movie's plainly obvious influences and behaving like them being able to do that is worthy criticism in and of itself.
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