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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/penalties.htm Double digit % increase on overall penalties compared to last year Over 50% more offensive holds Flag Flag  Is it just me? It can't be, the stats bear it out and I can't remember the last time I've been this bored and annoyed watching football. Even during games with 2 teams I couldn't care less about, I still find myself on edge. What's a catch? What's a fumble? What's a hold? What is life? What is the meaning of life? Why did they add this whole Challenge Pass Interference thing when none of them, however obvious, are overturned? Are they loving with me? Do they really want me to buy a new truck that badly? Someone please send help
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sweet thursday posted:Over 50% more offensive holds quote:Why did they add this whole Challenge Pass Interference thing when none of them, however obvious, are overturned? Are they loving with me? Do they really want me to buy a new truck that badly? Someone please send help
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Oct 9, 2019 18:43
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They've refused to pick up bad DPI flags in review, which kind of pisses me off. What's the drat point of taking all that time away from the viewer if you're never every going to change the result. Like, they'll affirm the call so long as the defender made any contact whatsoever, no matter how small and inconsequential. The only time they're going to overturn it apparently is if the review shows the defender didn't touch the receiver at ALL
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Oct 9, 2019 18:58
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Singular bad calls don't actually matter, pace of play is infinitely more important to making the game actually watchable, and trying to fix the former shits up the latter. The entire PI thing is dumb on multiple levels, more time is wasted on challenges just so the challenges can not be taken seriously anyway, unless it's some super extreme of either "literally no contact" or "hit the dude with an exploder suplex." Legalize everything but head hits, kneecapping and ankle locks. Offense can hold, defense can hold, pick plays are legal, hail Satan.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:02
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They've let phantom PI calls stand though. The rule is a bigger mess than it was at conception.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:15
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Ches Neckbeard posted:They've let phantom PI calls stand though. The rule is a bigger mess than it was at conception. sounds about right tuck rule, catch rule, et cetera on the bright side this will go away in eight years
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Oct 9, 2019 19:17
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Holding can be called on every play but that doesn't mean it should
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Oct 9, 2019 19:40
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Blitz7x posted:Holding can be called on every play but that doesn't mean it should Yep, it's basically impossible to block people with any effectiveness without grabbing onto them to some extent. Where exactly that becomes holding seems to be the issue and differs significantly from game to game.
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Oct 9, 2019 19:48
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Holding rules should be re-written to reflect the reality. Holding outside the arms, tugging the jersey are what gets called. PI should be changed to 15 yards only outside the red zone. Take away coaches challenging it and have an eye in the sky for the "loving blind refs" calls that aren't just two guys fighting for position on the ball. Change pass attempt to avoid a fumble to require an overhand passing motion. Which will result in more fun as hell turnover plays. Change intentional grounding to include out of pocket passes, see above. Get rid of 12th man penalties when a guy is just about to finish running off the field. Offenses don't need free yards. Penalize teams that try to cheat the running on / off the field thing with unsportsmanlike conducts. Same for players that abuse safety rules (QB's running to the sideline, seeing the defender slow up, then juking back in bounds).
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Oct 9, 2019 20:55
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Include the sudden drop slide. There's a lot of guys who like to dead drop straight down to draw a penalty instead of an actual slide and gently caress this head first slide nonsense. That's just begging for penalties
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Oct 9, 2019 21:07
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What's the point of the intentional grounding rule? If we want QBs to eat fewer kill shots they should just be able to say "screw it" and throw the ball into the dirt to end the play. It's a lost down for the offense regardless. e: I'm sleep deprived so maybe I'm missing something super obvious? 
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Oct 9, 2019 21:20
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sean10mm posted:What's the point of the intentional grounding rule? If we want QBs to eat fewer kill shots they should just be able to say "screw it" and throw the ball into the dirt to end the play. It's a lost down for the offense regardless. it's probably there to encourage sacks in the same way the in the grasp rule does
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Oct 9, 2019 22:25
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Yeah, basically there should be risk to passing the ball, because football should be exciting, which watching Brady / Rodgers / Brees just rocket a pass into the dirt when a play is dead isn't. Forcing QB's to attempt a throw makes them hold the ball longer or risk a turnover, and sacks and ints are pretty exciting plays, as are sweet as gently caress contested catches or QB's running around like a headless chicken for 10s before uncorking a bomb to a weirdly open guy. So make intentional grounding a rules emphasis and remove the out of pocket exception. Throw that ball near a receiver and maybe do something about those dead RB screen plays, and let defenses eat.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:35
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I forget who said it, but they had imo a good rule change that the first time a QB tries to gain extra yards by juking back in bounds or not sliding should lose that protection for the rest of the game. Edit: Also see Rodgers last week flicking the ball into the ground when he was wrapped up. In the case of grounding it has to be a full throw or it is a fumble.
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Oct 9, 2019 22:35
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Basically what that would mean is that every throw that isn't overhand is essentially a fumble unless it's caught. That's a pretty huge departure from what we have now and the obvious response would be to stop pitching underhand which I don't like
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Oct 9, 2019 22:45
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OxySnake posted:I forget who said it, but they had imo a good rule change that the first time a QB tries to gain extra yards by juking back in bounds or not sliding should lose that protection for the rest of the game. They could just penalize it, it's already an unsportsmanlike penalty to fake substituting a WR and have them start right by the sidelines
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Oct 9, 2019 22:53
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I love them. I'm going to do it to a referee and have them do it to me.
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Oct 9, 2019 23:41
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OxySnake posted:I forget who said it, but they had imo a good rule change that the first time a QB tries to gain extra yards by juking back in bounds or not sliding should lose that protection for the rest of the game. One good no-call this year was in Seattle when someone played to the whistle shoving Wilson out of bounds. Crowd booed it, apparently forgetting when Rodgers got cute with it to get some extra yards.
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Oct 9, 2019 23:46
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football has become essentially ungovernable what is occurring during a series of football events is unknowable
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OxySnake posted:I forget who said it, but they had imo a good rule change that the first time a QB tries to gain extra yards by juking back in bounds or not sliding should lose that protection for the rest of the game. I like this, just for the time that loving Eli or somebody accidentally stumbles into a few extra yards and the ref tells him "that's it, you're a marked man now".
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Oct 10, 2019 19:00
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The increase of penalties is absolutely baffling to me. They completely ruin the flow of a game. Far too many big plays are called back on penalties that barely (if at all) have a big impact on the play. Did the NFL take away from the non-PI call in the Saints/Rams games that people just want more penalties? The league's goal should be to cut penalties down in half; assign more responsibility to an off-the-field judge (every reviewed play for example); ignore any penalties that do not directly affect the play (I don't care if a guy was holding 10 yards away from the runner). Also, get some freaking glasses for these guys, are they blind or something?
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Oct 10, 2019 19:13
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It's easier to argue for reduced player salaries on the next contract when the real star of the game is a referee.
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Oct 10, 2019 19:21
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Maybe it's just the games I'm watching but it seems like the increased scrutiny on Holding is only for running plays. That and Roughing the Passer has become outright farcical.
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Oct 10, 2019 19:29
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Simplex posted:Maybe it's just the games I'm watching but it seems like the increased scrutiny on Holding is only for running plays. That and Roughing the Passer has become outright farcical. like this ridiculous call from this week: https://twitter.com/BrigettePerkins...all-on-steelers there was also a totally ridiculous one in the Cards/Bengals game where a defender brushes the top of Murray's helmet with his hand, drawing a flag. If someone could find that that would be great, it's SUPPOSED to be FORCIBLE
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https://twitter.com/SirYacht/status/1183463772347928577
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Called penalties per game 2009 - 13.9 2010 - 13.9 2011 - 14.6 2012 - 14.3 2012 - 14.3 2013 - 13.6 2014 - 15.9 2015 - 16.2 2016 - 15.8 2017 - 15.8 2018 - 15.8 2019 - 18.3
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nah posted:Called penalties per game It's easier to negotiate player salaries when they're not the stars of the game anymore.
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Oct 15, 2019 20:32
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nah posted:Called penalties per game "Oh you don't like how we call the games, huh? You want PI to be reviewable, huh? We'll show you what real pain looks like."
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Oct 15, 2019 21:38
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Consistent officiating in a game with 22 moving pieces every play has always been a fools errand and now we are seeing the final endgame
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Oct 15, 2019 22:17
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Easy solution: after each play an AI bot will analyze the Twitter reaction to determine if the correct call was made.
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Oct 15, 2019 23:26
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The 6 consecutive penalties that ruined what wouldve been an exciting game determining drive by the Cowboys against the Jets almost made me blackout in anger The refs never really seem to consider if a penalty is really worth it over just being technically callable.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Easy solution: after each play an AI bot will analyze the Twitter reaction to determine if the correct call was made. As long as the AI bot accounts for heavy bias from New Orleans.
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Oct 15, 2019 23:40
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why do they need to have penalties in the first place if every player can do the same things if they're strong, fast, or smart enough? Let them sort it out
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Oct 15, 2019 23:41
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Cavauro posted:why do they need to have penalties in the first place if every player can do the same things if they're strong, fast, or smart enough? Let them sort it out Darwin is my sky judge
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Cavauro posted:why do they need to have penalties in the first place if every player can do the same things if they're strong, fast, or smart enough? Let them sort it out This was the unironic position Ray Lewis made back in the day
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Oct 16, 2019 01:22
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seiferguy posted:As long as the AI bot accounts for heavy bias from New Orleans. Twitter is text based and Saints fans are predominantly illiterate so I think we're fine
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Oct 16, 2019 01:37
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Just a note the head of officials is new this year and is terrible at his job.
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Oct 16, 2019 01:45
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This is one of those situations where you shouldn't put yourself in the position for the refs to make a bad call, and the Browns with their poor execution did exactly that. That being said, reading the rule and watching the broadcast angle of this play the refs probably made the correct call. The play before was a pretty crystal clear ineligible man downfield as well.
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Simplex posted:This is one of those situations where you shouldn't put yourself in the position for the refs to make a bad call, and the Browns with their poor execution did exactly that. That being said, reading the rule and watching the broadcast angle of this play the refs probably made the correct call. Man I actually fell for that bait for a minute Ches Neckbeard fucked around with this message at 02:56 on Oct 16, 2019 |
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Dre2Dee2 posted:The 6 consecutive penalties that ruined what wouldve been an exciting game determining drive by the Cowboys against the Jets almost made me blackout in anger I've been trying to find a good explainer on what the refs thought was happening, because that entire sequence was MADDENING. There are definitely worse single penalty calls (in the same game, even!), but at some point you gotta realize that maybe you're loving up.. right?
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