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Two of the most exciting games of the week, Cowboys/Jets and Lions/Packers were basically determined by bad penalties. It's just disappointing because we'll never know what actually should've happened
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Man I actually fell for that bait for a minute I'm not kidding. With the new Blindside Block rule and point of emphasis it's almost impossible for receivers to legally block anyone when the runner reverses field like that.
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Oct 16, 2019 20:37
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Simplex posted:I'm not kidding. With the new Blindside Block rule and point of emphasis it's almost impossible for receivers to legally block anyone when the runner reverses field like that. quote:Owners voted to expand protection of defenseless players by eliminating the blindside block. It is now prohibited for a blocker to initiate forcible contact with his head, shoulder or forearm when his path is toward or parallel to his own end line. The penalty for an illegal blindside block is a loss of 15 yards and an automatic first down. The way that reads, you cannot block with your shoulder to someone's chest unless you're running towards your opponent's endzone. If you're running laterally across the field you can only use your hands.
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Oct 16, 2019 20:55
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Elephanthead posted:Just a note the head of officials is new this year and is terrible at his job. No, this is Riveron's third season as Senior Vice President of Officiating. And he's terrible at his job. The politics behind him being the head of officials is kinda weird. The previous VP of Officiating, Dean Blandino, had never been an on-field official, he had only ever worked for the league office. But he had been heavily involved in the '99 re-implementation of video review, so it was kinda his thing. After Blandino got the VP of Officiating job, the league creates a position "Senior Director of Officiating" to be Blandino's #2, and they give it to Riveron. I'm assuming this was done to soothe the fee-fees of the zebras who probably didn't want a boss who had never been in the trenches or whatever. So before the '17 season, the league changes the replay process, so now the head of officiating sitting in NY is going to have the final say on replays instead of the ref at the game (which is how it used to work). This is probably to give replay something approaching consistency (since one person would be making all decisions), and this rule was written with Blandino in mind, since he was so intimately involved with replay ever since it returned. Pretty much immediately after the rule change is announced, Blandino quits and goes to Fox. So the rule that was written with the replay guy in mind is instead implemented with the guy who was there to be a balance to the replay guy.
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Oct 16, 2019 21:15
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Mr. Nice! posted:The way that reads, you cannot block with your shoulder to someone's chest unless you're running towards your opponent's endzone. If you're running laterally across the field you can only use your hands. Welp he did lead with the shoulder. Dumb rewrite of the rule.
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Oct 16, 2019 21:17
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Play posted:Two of the most exciting games of the week, Cowboys/Jets and Lions/Packers were basically determined by bad penalties. It's just disappointing because we'll never know what actually should've happened To be fair, the bullshit of the penalties went in the Cowboys' favor and they still lost, so it probably didn't change the outcome in the end. Lions got hosed though.
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Oct 17, 2019 00:42
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There's 17 reffing crews in this year's NFL. Imagine, having the 17th ranked referee crew officiating the game your team is playing. Why even bother playing.
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Oct 17, 2019 06:13
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murder the refs and topple their thrones
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Oct 17, 2019 06:19
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I was going to write a big effort post about Clete Blakeman (MNF Referee) and just came across this beautiful stat: He entered the league in 2010. The Patriots are 5-5 in games where Clete Blakeman was the referee. It all makes sense now. The Lions are Patriots North. He literally has the best record against Bill Bellichick and Tom Brady in the NFL. CONNECT THE DOTS, IT ALL MAKES SENSE. WAKE UP.
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Oct 17, 2019 06:25
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sirtommygunn posted:To be fair, the bullshit of the penalties went in the Cowboys' favor and they still lost, so it probably didn't change the outcome in the end. Lions got hosed though. There was a bad call OPI on the goal line which nullified a touchdown in the third quarter. Cowboys would've won the game if they had gotten seven there instead of three
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Oct 18, 2019 04:30
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Jethro posted:No, this is Riveron's third season as Senior Vice President of Officiating. Blandino prob gets more money from FOX for a way lower stress job. can't blame him there fire al riveron
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Oct 18, 2019 05:22
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Make the refs full-time. Obviously. Why is this not a thing already.
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Oct 18, 2019 05:48
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MJeff posted:Make the refs full-time. Because they don't matter. Also their word is gospel
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Oct 18, 2019 05:53
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MJeff posted:Make the refs full-time. Because there isn't stuff for them to actually do during all that downtime, and the NFL only did that because they were trying to get rid of as many refs as possible because they were trying to kill their union pensions.
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Oct 18, 2019 06:01
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Really the ideal refereeing should set up situations where qbs get badly jak'd up as often as possible. Get rid of roughing, enforce holding, re legalize pass rushing techniques, call grounding. It's the one thing everyone wants.
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Oct 18, 2019 06:18
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Kalli posted:Because there isn't stuff for them to actually do during all that downtime, and the NFL only did that because they were trying to get rid of as many refs as possible because they were trying to kill their union pensions. maybe they could have like, classes or something where they tried to learn how to not be poo poo
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Oct 18, 2019 12:46
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Aren't the vast majority of them lawyers in the off-season? I bet that brings in a nice salary as well
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Oct 18, 2019 14:00
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Refs, like pretty much every politician, are just bored lawyers who want to find new ways to exercise their rotten versions of power
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Oct 18, 2019 14:22
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A lot of them are bored small buisness tyrants as well. Jeff Triplette is a retired army colonel. Firing all these gig minded fucks and hiring a full time, union supported, professional class of referees would fix the vast majority of issues but the owners really need the additional million dollars annually something like that might cost for reasons.
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Oct 18, 2019 17:16
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The Puppy Bowl posted:A lot of them are bored small buisness tyrants as well. Jeff Triplette is a retired army colonel. Firing all these gig minded fucks and hiring a full time, union supported, professional class of referees would fix the vast majority of issues but the owners really need the additional million dollars annually something like that might cost for reasons. death to all nobles it all makes sense now
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Oct 18, 2019 17:25
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It wouldn't fix poo poo. It's an impossible job to get right made harder by a Byzantine rule book and a head office that has a bunch of agendas.
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Oct 18, 2019 23:40
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How do other leagues handle their officiating compared to the NFL?
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Oct 18, 2019 23:51
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He knew it was coming but still lol that this happens https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1185644397226086401
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Oct 19, 2019 21:21
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MJeff posted:How do other leagues handle their officiating compared to the NFL? Other leagues have to have full time employed refs by nature. Teams play multiple times a week. Refs have to travel around for games just like the teams. There’s really no way to make it work without full-time refs.
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Oct 19, 2019 21:30
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The Puppy Bowl posted:A lot of them are bored small buisness tyrants as well. Jeff Triplette is a retired army colonel. Firing all these gig minded fucks and hiring a full time, union supported, professional class of referees would fix the vast majority of issues but the owners really need the additional million dollars annually something like that might cost for reasons. Hadn't realized this, I thought they WERE full time professionals. So basically, the officiating in the NFL sucks because the NFL is too loving cheap to pay full time referees (among other reasons, especially overreaction in the competition committee and a horrible job writing the actual rules in a way that's actionable). Then if you say a single negative word about it you get fined Seriously, a league making billions of dollars per year can't afford a set of professional referees instead using dumb rich old fucks with extra time and money who don't have to prove jack about their abilities? It seems like a joke...
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Oct 21, 2019 23:34
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The refs aren't any better or worse than they used to be it's just that because of hi def tv and ubiquitous slomo replay people can actually see and criticize their every failure in near real time. It's like this in every single sport
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Oct 22, 2019 02:24
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Phobeste posted:The refs aren't any better or worse than they used to be it's just that because of hi def tv and ubiquitous slomo replay people can actually see and criticize their every failure in near real time. It's like this in every single sport Except that is for the data And the sniff test And it smells like poo poo, op
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Oct 22, 2019 02:31
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There should be 22 refs for every game and each ref should be in a special bubble hovering over the field and their job is to watch one specific player and make sure he doesnt try any poo poo
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Oct 22, 2019 02:36
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Okay this is a little out there but hear me out before you say no. NanoRefs.
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Oct 22, 2019 02:45
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Live stadium voting on each play. All attendance issues solved permanently.
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Oct 22, 2019 02:56
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Live stadium voting on each play. All attendance issues solved permanently. Twitch plays the Chargers
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Oct 22, 2019 02:58
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Phobeste posted:The refs aren't any better or worse than they used to be it's just that because of hi def tv and ubiquitous slomo replay people can actually see and criticize their every failure in near real time. It's like this in every single sport The rulebook is usually the bigger issue than the refs. I don't think it's about scrutiny so much as the league making the rules an incomprehensible mess.
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Oct 22, 2019 03:04
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I don't pretend to understand Brannigan's Law. I merely enforce it.
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Oct 22, 2019 03:18
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Play posted:Hadn't realized this, I thought they WERE full time professionals. While being "part-timers" they're salaried at 200k lol
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Oct 22, 2019 03:26
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improve league parity by making certain penalties only applicable based on last seasons W-L record Like, for example the Cardinals would get not only the first draft pick but also be allowed to head hunt Meanwhile, anyone playing the patriots is allowed to rough the passer
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Oct 22, 2019 03:50
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get rid of instant replayChes Neckbeard posted:While being "part-timers" they're salaried at 200k lol the idea is to stop them from having a second income so that the union busting they did whatever that year was sticks forever.
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Oct 22, 2019 04:00
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Ghost Dog posted:get rid of instant replay
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Oct 22, 2019 14:50
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Play posted:Hadn't realized this, I thought they WERE full time professionals. A big part of the ref strike a few years ago was that the league was trying to get the refs to be full time, and the refs didn't want it.
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Oct 22, 2019 16:10
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Phobeste posted:The refs aren't any better or worse than they used to be it's just that because of hi def tv and ubiquitous slomo replay people can actually see and criticize their every failure in near real time. It's like this in every single sport I'm not sure that's true . . . data says a LOT more flags this year so something is different, and I also feel like 2017 and 18 they got more calls right. Of course that could be confirmation bias, I'm not launching a peer-reviewed study but it definitely has seemed rough this year. Patrick Spens posted:A big part of the ref strike a few years ago was that the league was trying to get the refs to be full time, and the refs didn't want it. I'm really struggling to always side with labor on this one Ches Neckbeard posted:While being "part-timers" they're salaried at 200k lol struggling even harder... gently caress those guys the NFL should start it's own referee jobs program where folks can make a career of it instead of rich fucks on power trips getting a stranglehold on the position and (probably) throwing games for their ILLUMINATI masters
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Buncha snowflakes complained about the Legion of Boom not being penalized and you know what happens when too many snowflakes pile up, they snowball into an avalanche of PC reffing killing the sport of football through liberal pussification.
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