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Ches Neckbeard posted:Browns would've won the Raiders and Seahawks game if they'd been called correctly to. Doesn't mean coaches and players didn't suck. How is it that hard to accept that both these things can be true? thats true and the Raiders would have had a chance at Bosa so who really won here
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AsInHowe posted:If Cam were white, the call would've been made. That's likely part of it, too, sadly. I remember Aaron Rodgers getting mugged a few times before the Super Bowl win and thinking it was bullshit the he didn't get a flag. After the Super Bowl, though... things were definitely a bit different. So, yeah, race is a factor, age is a factor, super-star status is a factor - ain't none of that poo poo in a rulebook. And if there's so many refs in the league, and every ref is somehow on the same page about it? That's a fuckin' conspiracy, man. 
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solution: run the A-11 so that all 11 players on the offense are equally the quarterback
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Grittybeard posted:Ha, I missed this Ooof that ah That's not a good look, Phil
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Don't have 12 men on the field, Packers settle for a field goal, Lions win despite incompetence https://twitter.com/johnbreech/status/1183915271091900416 Both don't be stupid and refs suck are true
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Don't have 12 men on the field, Packers settle for a field goal, Lions win despite incompetence You're trying, I'll give you that.
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If a team has ever played less than perfectly then it doesn't matter how badly they get screwed by terrible refs, it's their fault for not being perfect. And since no team is perfect it doesn't matter if refs ever call anything correctly.
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I really don't get how yall are stuck on this being an entirely binary thing.
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Saying "refs are bad, but" lets the NFL off the hook. I'm tired of the NFL getting let off the hook for this.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:I really don't get how yall are stuck on this being an entirely binary thing. "If you didn't want to lose the game due to disastrously bad calls you should have played better" is an incredibly dumb response because every team should play better all the time, and is, in fact, trying to. The Packers should have played better so they didn't need two phantom penalties to steal a win. What content do you think you're adding when people complain that the refs suck and it affects their enjoyment of the game and you respond with "maybe the team should have won by 40, ever think of that?!"
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MJeff posted:Saying "refs are bad, but" lets the NFL off the hook. I'm tired of the NFL getting let off the hook for this. It doesn't. Yes the refs can improve and so can the people on the field. That ended up being a game changing mistake and so were the blown calls. YOLOsubmarine posted:"If you didn't want to lose the game due to disastrously bad calls you should have played better" is an incredibly dumb response because every team should play better all the time, and is, in fact, trying to. The Packers should have played better so they didn't need two phantom penalties to steal a win. An echo chamber of "refs suck" is enjoyable and good content? "The Packers stole a win" yes it's the packers fault, it's anyone else's fault for everything. You're saying I expect teams to be perfect while complaining the refs aren't. Do you see the problem? Do you think any ref outside Riveron is trying to actively suck at their job? It must be super rad for them to get death threats from angry super fans. This is all extremely illuminating, you should really have a radio show.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:An echo chamber of "refs suck" is enjoyable and good content? When a player fucks up they don't get to go back and look at the tape and try again. The NFL has plenty of time and money and technology to make sure the refs get it right the majority of then time, they've just decided they don't care enough to do it. I don't think anyone deserves death threats over a game, but I also don't really understand what that has to do with anything? Likewise, why would I care if it's intentional or not? They are bad, and I want them to be better, the end. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 07:33 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Cool then we'd be complaining about officials taking all this time with reviews on things that aren't even reviewable currently. The officials on the field aren't actively trying to gently caress this up for us. Look at the league office and Riveron (who handles what actually gets reviewed) for the fixes. Hell the rules committee (which includes coaches) set up the PI review crap that everyone knew was going to go bad and has managed to go bad in ways nobody saw coming.
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Remember when the replacement refs denied the Packers a win? Tate caught the ball 
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MJeff posted:You're trying, I'll give you that. i'm imagining in my head that one guy standing back for the lions arguing vociferously to the ref that he counted 11 guys on the field for a solid minute before realizing that he forgot to count himself
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Cavauro posted:Nfl stinks 
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Listen, if you're not winning by 30 and scoring a touchdown on every drive, you deserve to lose if the refs start systematically loving you. How hard is this to understand?
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Cavauro posted:Nfl stinks Mucho agreed friend
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It rules that there's only ever been one referee fired during a season for incompetence.
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nah posted:It rules that there's only ever been one referee fired during a season for incompetence. And that refs name? Roger Goodell
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The refs will always suck rear end, I'm afraid the best we can hope for is they suck faster, and the PI review cluster gently caress is the opposite of that so it made things even worse.
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Cool then we'd be complaining about officials taking all this time with reviews on things that aren't even reviewable currently. The officials on the field aren't actively trying to gently caress this up for us. Look at the league office and Riveron (who handles what actually gets reviewed) for the fixes. Hell the rules committee (which includes coaches) set up the PI review crap that everyone knew was going to go bad and has managed to go bad in ways nobody saw coming. Like I said, special.  The Defense literally did their job and stopped Rodgers, twice. Every time the refs bailed them out, ffs they called the exact same bullshit, phantom call twice. They might as well have just said that sacking Rodgers was itself a foul. Cherry on top, they let a Lions receiver literally get clotheslined on a play that would have put Detroit in FG range to seal the game. That was, of course, a no call. To look at that and say, "should have played better" is so monumentally stupid it defies reason. I have this crazy idea that teams are supposed to play well enough to beat their opponents, which Detroit did. Not some arbitrary standard of, "You didn't outplay them enough to be allowed to win"
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sean10mm posted:The refs will always suck rear end, I'm afraid the best we can hope for is they suck faster, and the PI review cluster gently caress is the opposite of that so it made things even worse. if you're at home and can see they hosed up a call before the next play the NFL could do it just as quickly if they wanted to.
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Mister Perky posted:pretty crazy finish to Detroit Vs. Green Bay drat dude...you’re right the NFL is the exact same as police brutality...
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Can anyone give me a rundown of the bad calls? I spent the evening studying and working on a paper instead of watching football.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Can anyone give me a rundown of the bad calls? I spent the evening studying and working on a paper instead of watching football. the refs (incorrectly) flagged flowers for illegal hands to the face twice on third down stops. one eventually led to a TD and the other led to the game-winning FG. on the first one rodgers had been sacked for an 11 yard loss on 3rd and 10. second one was 3rd and 4 and put them in FG range and allowed them to burn off the rest of the clock. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:51 on Oct 15, 2019 |
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Remember that time one of the NFL's marquee teams had a bad call cost them a game they would go on to lose in overtime and the team bitched so much the nfl changed a rule for them weird what happens when poo poo happens to non browns or lions teams
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Groovelord Neato posted:if you're at home and can see they hosed up a call before the next play the NFL could do it just as quickly if they wanted to. The time it takes to go from camera to satellite truck to space to dish to screen is delayed enough that the ability to get the call in before the next play is hampered. The home audience is yelling about calls that came from a minute past, no one can operate at their perceived speed.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Can anyone give me a rundown of the bad calls? I spent the evening studying and working on a paper instead of watching football. Two illegal hands to the face calls on Detroit on drive killing plays by the defense. Neither actually involved a hand to the face but the GB tackle sold them well. Actually I take that back, he sold the first one well but the second one was just called for no reason. There was also a clear missed DPI on Green Bay that would have set the Lions up for a nearly game sealing field goal at the least. Detroit didn't challenge but if they did they wouldn't have overturned it anyway I'm sure.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the refs (incorrectly) flagged flowers for illegal hands to the face twice on third down stops. one eventually led to a TD and the other led to the game-winning FG. on the first one rodgers had been sacked for an 11 yard loss on 3rd and 10. second one was 3rd and 4 and put them in FG range and allowed them to burn off the rest of the clock. I just watched a video of them and jesus that is bad.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the refs (incorrectly) flagged flowers for illegal hands to the face twice on third down stops. one eventually led to a TD and the other led to the game-winning FG. on the first one rodgers had been sacked for an 11 yard loss on 3rd and 10. second one was 3rd and 4 and put them in FG range and allowed them to burn off the rest of the clock. Packers were in fg range for the second. Would have been long and left Lions with time on the clock however.
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Lions had 12 guys on the field that gave the Packers 4 or 7 points but I don't think Crosby misses the FG so really if anybody on the Lions could count they probably would have won.
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Groovelord Neato posted:the refs (incorrectly) flagged flowers for illegal hands to the face twice on third down stops. one eventually led to a TD and the other led to the game-winning FG. on the first one rodgers had been sacked for an 11 yard loss on 3rd and 10. second one was 3rd and 4 and put them in FG range and allowed them to burn off the rest of the clock. To be fair, I think they were already in FG range. It did allow them to drain the clock though.
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Leon Einstein posted:To be fair, I think they were already in FG range. It did allow them to drain the clock though. Yeah, and Williams realizing the lions were letting him get the TD and slid instead was great.
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But that said, the saying "never be in a position where the refs decide the game" exists for a reason. Both things can be true: 1. The refs made horrible calls 2. The lions decided to let off the gas faster getting off to a blistering start The one thing that does drive me nuts is that if you change either one, people assume the game plays out the same.
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Maybe this wouldn't happen if the Lions just played better football. https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1184098705282158598
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The first illegal hands to face directly led to a Packers TD the very next play instead of it being 4th down and either a punt or a field goal. Now you could say that "well you don't know what might have happened after that play.". You are correct we don't know because the Lions and the fans were robbed of the chance to see how differently the game would have played out with a correct no penalty call. The second illegal hands to the face was still bad but not as much because it made the field goal at the end easier.
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Diva Cupcake posted:Maybe this wouldn't happen if the Lions just played better football. Lmfao
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that is incredible. Rad Valtar posted:The second illegal hands to the face was still bad but not as much because it made the field goal at the end easier. and left no time on the clock.
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