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Toxic Mental posted:You’re a real lovely person for not letting the death cult win. gently caress you, you loving gently caress. Vote with your conscience like me, you loving atrocious piece of dog poo poo. Perhaps the Dems should think of that when considering ratfucking bernie
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the morally correct thing to do is to posture online about writing in bernie in the general after biden wins the primary but then secretly and shamefully voting for biden regardless
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Oct 25, 2019 13:16
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i didn't vote for hillary in 2016 and i feel pretty good about it. she deserved to lose for having the worst campaign of all time and that the democratic party apparently didn't learn anything from that loss isn't my problem. dems can git gud or get gone
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Oct 25, 2019 13:34
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ur in my world now posted:dems can git gud or get gone this is the only truth if hillary had won in 2016 m4a would be dead right now like it was under obama
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Oct 25, 2019 14:20
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Voting in Missouri in 2018 and not voting for McCaskill was deeply satisfying, and seeing how many people agreed with me was beautiful. Every last cowardly refusal to acknowledge the world from the Democrats since 2016 has convinced me very firmly that there is no material difference between a McCaskill and a Hawley, or, for that matter, a Trump and a Harris, or a Trump and a Biden, or a Trump and a Warren, so there is no reason to vote for either. my gay rear end will happily vote for Sanders as a compromise, but I live in Missouri and have no delusions about my vote mattering, so I'll hold onto my principles instead of holding my nose like I did with 2016.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:45
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hey poster from another country here chiming in: all of you need to put on your big boy pants and be fuckin epic and vote for joe biden it’s the only way we can get rid of those migrant detention centers that trump automagically set up on jan 20 2017, you dumb baconwafflehead.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:48
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Phone posted:hey poster from another country here chiming in: all of you need to put on your big boy pants and be fuckin epic and vote for joe biden A thing literally nobody here has said, congratulations.
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Oct 25, 2019 14:52
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it really can't be stated enough how funny mccaskill getting owned was. she got loving walloped by a failed scott walker clone in the same election that minimum wage hike, campaign finance reform and med marijuana bills won with 2/3 the vote. it was undeniably a "get out, you loving suck" message and it's even funnier that she spends all her time  ing on cable news about how only centrists can win elections. hmm, yes, clearly
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Oct 25, 2019 15:04
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ur in my world now posted:it really can't be stated enough how funny mccaskill getting owned was. she got loving walloped by a failed scott walker clone in the same election that minimum wage hike, campaign finance reform and med marijuana bills won with 2/3 the vote. it was undeniably a "get out, you loving suck" message and it's even funnier that she spends all her time literally her entire 2018 campaign was solely aimed at Republicans, the whole thing was a screed at how everyone needed to shut up and work with the homophobes because that's what good democrats do I only wish I could vote her out of having a job too
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Oct 25, 2019 15:16
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doing nothing and letting fascists seize more and more power to own the libs
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Oct 25, 2019 15:22
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Toxic Mental posted:doing nothing and letting fascists seize more and more power to own the libs The libs are doing that tho so why should I support them
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Oct 25, 2019 15:27
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Toxic Mental posted:doing nothing and letting fascists seize more and more power to own the libs if there was a difference between the candidates nominated by them maybe it'd be worth doing something but they're not different.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:28
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What policies, exactly, has Trump's administration implemented that Hillary Clinton's wouldn't or that a Biden administration wouldn't? And of those, which ones weren't either started by Obama, or started under a Republican and continued by Bill Clinton and Obama? Y'all keep acting like a theoretical Biden administration would repeal Republican policies but Obama had a supermajority and used it to pass Mitt Romney's healthcare plan. They couldn't even fix the electoral college after getting robbed in 2000! Also if Trump wins in 2020 because I vote for every down-ticket race and write in "Dersnie Sanber" for President we've got another shot at an actual leftist winning in 2024. If another useless centrist wins in 2020 we're getting another fascist in 2024, guaranteed - but this one won't have mush for brains.
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Oct 25, 2019 15:43
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hot tip: you can vote for more locally impactful candidates and withhold your vote for bloodless neoliberal ghouls at the top of the dem ticket, simultaneously using ones vote for good while not supporting the school of thought that has, over the past 30-40 years, brought us directly to turmpa I’m dying, I have a choice of a guy shooting me in the face or a guy who will disconnect my life support and tell me that he feels really bad about it, and if I refuse both I’m a dang ol Bro
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Oct 25, 2019 15:54
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Toxic Mental posted:doing nothing and letting fascists seize more and more power to own the libs Voting for a lib who does nothing and lets the fascists seize more and more power to own the bros
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Oct 25, 2019 16:15
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I don't blame anyone who abstains from voting for a non-Bernie but I'd still encourage voting downticket. It doesn't have the same symbolic significance as president, the margins are slimmer and not based on the electoral college, it's more likely to directly affect you, and it'll help obstruct Trump during his second term.
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Oct 25, 2019 17:44
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voting for biden, harris, or warren isn't going to make things better and it's very arguable that it would keep things from getting worse. this isn't a trolly problem, you won't be reducing the amount of damage done.
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Oct 25, 2019 18:19
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*flips over picnic table* this thread smacks of privilege etc
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Oct 25, 2019 18:22
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Man Musk posted:*flips over picnic table* this thread smacks of privilege etc Turn the tenth of November into the tenth of bullshit
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Oct 25, 2019 18:38
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nah posted:the morally correct thing to do is to posture online about writing in bernie in the general after biden wins the primary but then secretly and shamefully voting for biden regardless That's low energy poo poo, I'd say I'm voting for Trump to drive the libs wild instead. Way funnier.
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Oct 25, 2019 18:45
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Voting is consent
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Oct 25, 2019 18:58
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yronic heroism posted:Okay, but yeetlayers deliberately created the straw man that the protest voter must be more oppressed. My counterexample is just that. It’s almost like real life is more complicated than internet arguments. just quoting this so that anyone who missed it the first time can now enjoy reading "electoral reparations" alongside me
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Oct 25, 2019 19:06
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NecroMonster posted:voting for biden, harris, or warren isn't going to make things better and it's very arguable that it would keep things from getting worse. this isn't a trolly problem, you won't be reducing the amount of damage done. looking around, raising a hand to say something about federally-appointed judges who serve until retirement,
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Oct 25, 2019 19:24
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it's pretty funny that 2 of the last 3 presidents didn't even win the popular vote and libs still insist on telling any dissenters and the middle 2/3 of the country to gently caress off and that it's each individual person's fault that someone who got 3 million more votes than the opposition still got whacked in the EC totals. real sound strategy y'all got here, libs.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:25
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please do go vote for your local ballot initiatives and downballot non-succ candidates though. that poo poo matters way more than picking whichever woke war criminal the dems are propping up this time
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Oct 25, 2019 19:28
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remember when biden basically endorsed a republican in the 2018 election? vote blue no matter who! https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yw8zy7/of-course-joe-biden-supported-a-republican-in-a-dollar200k-speech
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Oct 25, 2019 19:29
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fabergay egg posted:just quoting this so that anyone who missed it the first time can now enjoy reading "electoral reparations" alongside me im angry because i deliberately didnt read that post and now i have because i had to see "electoral reparations" Victory Position posted:looking around, raising a hand to say something about federally-appointed judges who serve until retirement, dogg all of them will appoint either complete psychos or have their appointments blocked in favor of complete psychos lets be fuckin real
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Oct 25, 2019 19:33
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TeenageArchipelago posted:remember when biden basically endorsed a republican in the 2018 election? vote blue no matter who! the list of progressive or socialist candidates ratfucked in favor of centrist or conservative candidates can be counted on a bit more than one's fingers and toes
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Oct 25, 2019 19:34
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There's no reason not to vote, because you can write-in anyone or just leave it blank as protest
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Oct 25, 2019 19:37
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:dogg all of them will appoint either complete psychos or have their appointments blocked in favor of complete psychos lets be fuckin real that's the point. electoralism sure looks like a grandstand of a pissing contest when laws passed or ratified can be squashed by unelected dipshits the country over thinking about a certain set of minority protections that were repealed not too long ago...
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Victory Position posted:looking around, raising a hand to say something about federally-appointed judges who serve until retirement, Yeah, like Supreme Court Justice Merrick Garland
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yronic heroism posted:pushing the other way against gerrymandering, canceling out chud votes, etc. This isn't how voting works. If you live in a red state your vote doesn't cancel out anything and stopping gerrymandering is going to take a lot more than voting since both sides do it all the time. Toxic Mental posted:doing nothing and letting fascists seize more and more power to own the libs I know you're just doing little one liner troll replies but a lot of people in here are equating not voting in the presidential election to doing nothing and that is the opposite of reality. Real change will come from grass roots movements, local elections, and gaining back a sense of community that has been slowly eroding over the years. The people that just pop in every four years to vote one time in one national election and scold anyone who doesn't do the same are the ones doing nothing.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:41
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getting my poo poo absolutelt destroyed at my struggle session. fat ugly tears rolling down my fat stupid face, i finally admit that im too white to vote for joseph biden
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Oct 25, 2019 19:46
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Voting for my favorite teams warmonger then getting incredibly smug about it.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:46
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the democratic party (and all of it's various apparatuses) are currently the biggest impediment to the following two things: 1. rebuking the republican party and their ideology 2. any sort of left or left-leaning policy that will materially improve people's lives we have had 3 years of The Complete And Total Aberration of a donald trump presidency, and for some weird and particular reason we've also had 3 years of the democratic party doing absolutely nothing outside of "epic clapback" poo poo.
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Oct 25, 2019 19:50
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i feel like bernie's been repeating the same thing since 2016 and no one has listened. he has explicitly said that voting for him isn't enough. if you choose electoralism (and you can choose electoralism and other things) you need to completely gut the democratic party, primary pretty much every democratic candidate currently holding office, retake state and local governments, a complete change of the guard wherever possible. The apparatus of the state aren't going to snap into a new configuration because the lion, bernard, suddenly assumes the presidency. this is work that could take a generation to complete. it is a very, very difficult thing to do. but it's not impossible. It does, however, require people to commit to something that may take their lifetime to complete. not many people have that kind of commitment in them because life gets in the way, and yet it is the simplest path to power and radically altering the politics of the US without more people dying in addition to those dying right now because their material needs aren't being met. I mean this is kind of the age we live in. We have vast, difficult works ahead of us that we can't just keep putting off like an annoying term paper. Movements like this, if sustained, will likely generate new leaders who can carry on when the older generation passes on. Wanting one strong leader can be useful - look at the career of Huey Long to see how much one man building his own political machinery can accomplish in a decade - but very rarely lasts beyond the lifespan of that leader because everyone is made to be a subordinate. A broad political movement that actually has popular support like one that seems to be brewing in the US is a rare thing, I wouldn't waste it.
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Oct 25, 2019 20:22
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:im angry because i deliberately didnt read that post and now i have because i had to see "electoral reparations" the only way to be free of this rage is to force some other poor soul to read it. worked for me!
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Anarchist Mae posted:Also, they're going to win for the time being anyway, you can at least choose to gently caress over your fellow citizens less. It's not like not voting absolves you of the atrocities your government commits anyway. It is genuinely unclear whether a bad Democratic president is a better outcome overall than a Republican one. In the specific role as president they will probably be worse, but a bad/unpopular Democratic president (like, say, Hillary or Biden) is almost certain to result in significant downballot losses during their presidency (as opposed to the surge in Democratic turn-out in 2018 we saw in response to Trump). Most of the harm that is done to minority groups in the US likely actually stems from state/local government actions, so large losses at those levels have significant consequences. And that's ignoring the fact that a bad Democratic president significantly increases the chances of the following president being a Republican. Anarchist Mae posted:You can at least vote for someone less likely to gently caress over minorities and working class folk. This sort of thing proves that you don't understand what you're talking about. In this situation you are choosing between two options that both are guaranteed to gently caress over the poor and minority groups. When you take into account the likelihood of a bad Democratic candidate causing Democratic losses at the state/local levels, it's not nearly as black/white as you're trying to make it out to be. Like, I sympathize with this attitude but it's pretty much the definition of someone coming to a wrong conclusion due to oversimplifying things.
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Oct 25, 2019 20:39
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Anarchist Mae posted:But they're going to be just as hosed over if you don't vote? You can at least vote for someone less likely to gently caress over minorities and working class folk. there isnt one besides bernie
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