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ikanreed posted:Bernie is the compromise candidate yeah unironically this what i realy want is to behead the job creators and take their money and use it to make it so everyone has good lives but i cant have that so i settle for bernie thats my bare minimum
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a vote for a democratic president is as much a vote for fascism as a republican is but guess what: bernard sanders isn't even a democrat!
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Oct 25, 2019 21:09
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Elect death for president imo
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Oct 25, 2019 21:12
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a lot of dumbass libs who learned nothing from 2016 itt
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Oct 25, 2019 21:41
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not sure how many people have to say, on camera, that either bernie is elected or they/their family dies before people understand what the stakes are
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Oct 25, 2019 21:56
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its a difficult thing, to make it to the ballot box with a perfectly balanced amount of pressure on the belt around your neck to not cause a health concern but still turn your face blue
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Oct 25, 2019 23:28
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Ytlaya posted:This sort of thing proves that you don't understand what you're talking about. In this situation you are choosing between two options that both are guaranteed to gently caress over the poor and minority groups. When you take into account the likelihood of a bad Democratic candidate causing Democratic losses at the state/local levels, it's not nearly as black/white as you're trying to make it out to be. How convenient for your argument that these candidates are self evidently equally bad and you don't need to demonstrate this absurdity. And you tell me I'm oversimplifing things.
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if you actually care about minority groups, then you should be yelling at people to do direct action stuff since that gets results infinitely more instead of some lovely president election that's decided by WWE's finest writers. elected dems don't really do anything about this ICE thing that magically appeared at the beginning of 2017, not much from them about this cops being a white supremacist gang, very little on this healthcare is economically killing people thing, don't get me started on foreign policy, etc. this whole why not both argument just kind of seems like a backpedal since you're only talking about the vote blue no matter who thing before. and then if you say that's derailing, i'll say that if you don't have the courage to derail a thread on a dead forum or whatever meme name we use for this place, then do you have the courage to go out there to support your comrades in arms in those issues that are clearly important. my stance is that is that you should vote for the candidates and issues that best represent you, since that's kind of the ideal for a democracy or something, not this yankees vs mets thing. you should check every box and there is value in showing that these issues matter on record even if it isn't gaming a victory. i want to stress that i went to catholic school and i was told many times there that catholics were the most oppressed people so i'm allowed to make this stance because my teachers wouldn't lie to me and actually be not truthful about the position of well off white people in the world, right? idk, i hope this helps
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oh and yeah, I do think it's the candidate and their campaign's responsibility to get people to vote for them, the voter shouldn't be obligated to vote for a particular candidate. I recognize that I'm a dullard and could be wrong, but these are the thoughts I have on this at this time. I'll be sure to report if they change. thank you
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For context, this thread only exists because BENGHAZI 2 had a melt down in the Guillotines thread over the suggestion that people would and should vote for Biden in the unlikely event that Biden is nominated. Like, this isn't and has never been an either or situation where anyone is saying vote for Biden and gently caress doing all of the necessary work we have to do. So I guess, while I think it's a good idea to go over what actually needs doing to make reformism work, it's not actually particularly relevant to this thread and I doubt anyone "pro" Biden voting (not just me) is unaware of this. Voting for a shithead is something you do once every few years for a few hours, actual change is something you do every single day.
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Voting is actually dumb and bad and I just lie and say I do it to get out of work. The idea hillary voters are posting in this forum makes me uncomfortable even more uncomfortable then you marks who are gonna vote for biden
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Oct 26, 2019 01:23
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Lmbo voting for Joe Biden, even hypothetically
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Voting for Joe Biden would be like voting for Trudeau a few days ago. Fucken lame and stupid.
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Homeless Friend posted:Lmbo voting for Joe Biden, even hypothetically Lmbo for not making any coherent arguments this entire time. Colonel Cancer posted:Voting for Joe Biden would be like voting for Trudeau a few days ago. Fucken lame and stupid. Very true. But would you rather not have loving lame and stupid and instead have outright malicious?
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Oct 26, 2019 01:46
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lmao you think biden isn't malicious
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NecroMonster posted:lmao you think biden isn't malicious I forgot how stupid people here can be. Even Bernie is malicious. The entire loving system is malicious.
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Oct 26, 2019 01:55
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The only 'licious that describes Joe Biden is DElicious
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Why should I take part in the political process of an illegitimate colonialist state like America? Voting means that the populace give its implicit consent for the continued existence of a nation that by all rights shouldn't exist. Seems pretty hosed up to me.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Why should I take part in the political process of an illegitimate colonialist state like America? Voting means that the populace give its implicit consent for the continued existence of a nation that by all rights shouldn't exist. Seems pretty hosed up to me. Voting doesn't give consent, they already have consent no matter what they do, they'll happily walk all over you, so loving vote for someone who'll walk all over the least number of people. Why is this such a hard concept for people to grasp.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:Why should I take part in the political process of an illegitimate colonialist state like America? Voting means that the populace give its implicit consent for the continued existence of a nation that by all rights shouldn't exist. Seems pretty hosed up to me. Oh man you should hear the pizzagate stories you hear in line waiting to vote.
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quote:José Saramago’s Seeing tells the story of the strange events in the unnamed capital city of an unidentified democratic country. When the election day morning is marred by torrential rains, voter turnout is disturbingly low, but the weather breaks by mid-afternoon and the population heads en masse to their voting stations. The government's relief is short-lived, however, when vote counting reveals that over 70 percent of the ballots cast in the capital have been left blank. Baffled by this apparent civic lapse, the government gives the citizenry a chance to make amends just one week later with another election day. The results are worse: Now 83 percent of the ballots are blank.
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CodfishCartographer posted:I don't think anyone in this thread is saying they WANT to vote for Biden, but if he happens to win the primaries, what's the right move come general election day? Not voting is just ignoring the problem, right? So what's the ideal thing to do? Writing in for Bernie is essentially the same as not voting, from a practical standpoint. do a communist revolution
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Meanwhile in reality that isn't going to happen without organisation that you just don't have. So vote for hypothetical Biden. BernieTheBolshevik posted:do a communist revolution Yes please.
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Oct 26, 2019 02:06
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roko's basilisk but for people who refused to vote for mayor pete
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Anarchist Mae posted:Lmbo for not making any coherent arguments this entire time. No, that's why I'm not voting for Joe
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I completely agree with the premise behind lesser evilism but Joe Biden is a pedophile and a rapist so I cannot vote for him.
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NecroMonster posted:lmao you think biden is coherent
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Anarchist Mae posted:Meanwhile in reality that isn't going to happen without organisation that you just don't have. So vote for hypothetical Biden. It's funny that you say that because a vote for Biden makes the communist revolution less likely in the long run. Biden, like Obama would lull the center left into complacency while things continued to deteriorate, and by the time another crisis comes along to wake them up from it we'd already have full blown fascism in the US. Trump is worse because he's a right wing monster, but Biden is worse as well because his presidency would incubate an even more terrible monster to be released right as he leaves office.
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if joe biden really wanted me to vote for him he'd wrap a chain around my head
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Anarchist Mae posted:Voting doesn't give consent, they already have consent no matter what they do, they'll happily walk all over you, so loving vote for someone who'll walk all over the least number of people. Because Biden won't walk all over any fewer people, he'll just be slightly more polite about it.
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TrilliontonNixon posted:It's funny that you say that because a vote for Biden makes the communist revolution less likely in the long run. Biden, like Obama would lull the center left into complacency while things continued to deteriorate, and by the time another crisis comes along to wake them up from it we'd already have full blown fascism in the US. Trump is worse because he's a right wing monster, but Biden is worse as well because his presidency would incubate an even more terrible monster to be released right as he leaves office. To me, not voting has roots in accerlationism where the hope is things get worse so the revolution occurs. But to me, it's somewhat the opposite where things getting less worse in the short term, just mean things get even horrifically worse in the long run. If Hillary was president right now, 90% of policies would be the same. Thered likely be only like 6 or 7 supreme court justices because none would get considered by McConnell, we likely are in a crash because hillary wouldn't be as willing to just open the loving spigots to delay the recession until after 2020 like trump, and the now ascendant left would never have happened- it would have been smothered by the Clinton's dominant control of power. I dont see how Biden would be any different than that, with the centrists crushing any leftwing momentum and presiding over 4 more years of stagnation, concentration camps (but run efficiently!), and more efficient use of death squads over seas. Warren would likely be the same though to maybe a lesser extent - not so on foreign affairs though. Like yeah, trump sucks but the lesser of two evils has been tried for 3 decades and we somehow still keep ending up with the greater evil.
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really queer Christmas posted:To me, not voting has roots in accerlationism where the hope is things get worse so the revolution occurs. It's not
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TrilliontonNixon posted:It's funny that you say that because a vote for Biden makes the communist revolution less likely in the long run. Biden, like Obama would lull the center left into complacency while things continued to deteriorate, and by the time another crisis comes along to wake them up from it we'd already have full blown fascism in the US. Trump is worse because he's a right wing monster, but Biden is worse as well because his presidency would incubate an even more terrible monster to be released right as he leaves office. Byzantine posted:Because Biden won't walk all over any fewer people, he'll just be slightly more polite about it. I'll just have to take your word(s) for it. This is really not worth any of our times to argue over as it's not going to happen and I sure as gently caress don't care to go over the details of Biden vs Trump as that probably wouldn't be great for my mental health. gently caress it, vote how you want.
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:It's not If only I had a gigantic post attached that also explained how it's actually different
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Anarchist Mae posted:I'll just have to take your word(s) for it. I mean we have historical proof of lovely centrists being followed by further right shitheads, which drags the center right and makes the process that much worse next time around, you don't have to shrug and go WELL IF YOU SAY SO all pass agg
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really queer Christmas posted:If only I had a gigantic post attached that also explained how it's actually different Too many words
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the only reason people vote democrat is they are deluded to a greater or lesser extent that a blue president will somehow slow down or reverse america's long march towards it's disgusting and evil destiny it doesn't, but president blue is much better at keeping the media pointing at his smooth charismatic voice instead of where the bombs are falling, creating a false sense that everything is okay nobody solves a problem when they've been lulled into thinking there isn't one
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I mean we have historical proof of lovely centrists being followed by further right shitheads, which drags the center right and makes the process that much worse next time around, you don't have to shrug and go WELL IF YOU SAY SO all pass agg What's that got to do with anything though? Like, do you think I don't know this?
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If Warren was/is winning by more we probably wouldn't even be having this argument because everyone will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for her even the biggest bernie bros
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Too many words Harsh but fair
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