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Toxic Mental posted:If Warren was/is winning by more we probably wouldn't even be having this argument because everyone will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for her even the biggest bernie bros no. bernie is already the lesser evil.
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Toxic Mental posted:If Warren was/is winning by more we probably wouldn't even be having this argument because everyone will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for her even the biggest bernie bros Bernie is compromise enough, I don't need to vote for a liar who was a Republican during the Reagan administration.
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Oct 26, 2019 03:07
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knowing i contributed to hillarys vote total was truly shameful, now we are forever condemned to hear how she won the 'popular' vote
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If Biden is the nominee, well I'd be depressed as hell, but I'd also thoroughly enjoy watching him lose to Trump in a landslide, because it'd be funny https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1113862077842640898
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Toxic Mental posted:If Warren was/is winning by more we probably wouldn't even be having this argument because everyone will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for her even the biggest bernie bros If Warren were doing better, and Bernie doing worse, you’d see a lot fewer people here interested in electoralism.
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Anarchist Mae posted:How convenient for your argument that these candidates are self evidently equally bad and you don't need to demonstrate this absurdity. And you tell me I'm oversimplifing things. You said a thing that was dumb; that the Democrat was "less likely to gently caress over minorities/the poor." This is dumb because both are guaranteed do gently caress them over. There is no neutral option here, just different degrees of harm. Most liberals seems to view the Democratic candidate as "mild improvement, even if it's not ideal" but this is wrong. In the same post I acknowledged that in the specific role as president the Republican is still very likely to be worse. The problem is that a bad Democratic president is virtually certain to result in massive losses at the state/local level during their presidency. This happened under Obama, and Obama was far more popular than Hillary would have been. On the other hand, a bad Republican like Trump motivated high turn-out in 2018. Does the extra harm from the Republican being president outweigh the harm of Republicans making large gains at the state/local level? I don't know. And because it's difficult/impossible to know, it's dumb to act like it's some black/white moral thing whether someone votes for the Democratic presidential candidate in an election like that. And as I also said in that post, this is ignoring the whole "a bad Democrat increases the chances of a Republican following them" thing. It is not very common that people get angry at others for voting for the lesser evil Democrat, but it is extremely common for people to demand others "vote blue no matter who" and condemn them for not doing so (or even expressing hesitation to do so). I'd probably agree with you that it's dumb for someone to get really mad at someone else who says they'll vote "blue no matter who," but that doesn't happen nearly as often as the opposite. Anarchist Mae posted:Voting doesn't give consent, they already have consent no matter what they do, they'll happily walk all over you, so loving vote for someone who'll walk all over the least number of people. The reason I said you're oversimplifying it is that you're ignoring the consequences who the president is has on the rest of the country, in terms of their impact on state/local governments. A huge amount of progress was made by the right (on issues like restricting abortion, voter suppression, etc) in states across the nation under Obama, due to massive Democratic losses in state legislatures during his tenure. Ytlaya has issued a correction as of 06:16 on Oct 26, 2019 |
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im voting for bluenard sanders. the only question is if he is the democratic nominee or if i have to write him in.
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Ytlaya posted:A huge amount of progress was made by the right (on issues like restricting abortion, voter suppression, etc) in states across the nation under Obama, due to massive Democratic losses in state legislatures during his tenure. It's a good thing that the right has not been able to entrench their position and make even more progress under Trump.
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Straight White Shark posted:It's a good thing that the right has not been able to entrench their position and make even more progress under Trump. tbf, if hillary had won, the gop would've taken over enough states to call a new constitutional convention
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Ytlaya posted:You said a thing that was dumb; that the Democrat was "less likely to gently caress over minorities/the poor." This is dumb because both are guaranteed do gently caress them over. There is no neutral option here, just different degrees of harm. worth emphasizing here that the different degree of harm isn't real if there is such a thing (which can't be proven unless you can travel between reality like sliders), it isn't less harm. its merely a different acceleration curve
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what’s all this “Bernie is my compromise candidate” bullshit
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:what’s all this “Bernie is my compromise candidate” bullshit It would be better if there were a younger LGBTQ+ WOC candidate who was even more to the left than Bernie on some issues, and who was eligible for the Dem nomination, and who stood a chance of winning. But there’s not, so we’ll compromise and back Bernie to the hilt.
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ONLY vote for gay black femlenin
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:what’s all this “Bernie is my compromise candidate” bullshit usa has moved so far to the right in the last 50 years, a tepid socdem grandpa is considered "extreme left" by mainstream pundits, op. bernie is the compromise candidate, because usa is right now 100% looking at a civil war/revolution in the next 20 or so years that'll make 1917 look like a loving walk in the park, and the only way that won't happen is if bernie wins and drags usa kicking and screaming out of mid-19th-century politics. bernie is the compromise candidate, if he doesn't win, guillotines will.
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a vote for joe biden is a vote for the end times
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:what’s all this “Bernie is my compromise candidate” bullshit it's 100% accurate is what it is op
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Oct 26, 2019 18:51
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Bernie is the only candidate left of center soooo
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Majorian posted:It would be better if there were a younger LGBTQ+ WOC candidate who was even more to the left than Bernie on some issues, and who was eligible for the Dem nomination, and who stood a chance of winning. But there’s not, so we’ll compromise and back Bernie to the hilt. What the gently caress is this poo poo
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if utilitarianism drives your vote you may as well have “bend me over and stick the fash in pls” tattooed on your forehead. you get the minimum you’re willing to accept and if the minimum is the just-barely-distinguishable-from-R then that’s what you get. same principle as a strike you fuckin scabs. vote for Bernie
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Oct 26, 2019 19:45
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Real talk one vote never changed anything in a national election and even if you could mind control every single C-SPAM poster/lurker into voting the way you want it wouldn't change anything either unless they were all located in one key county. Trying to convince individual posters to vote the way you want is a waste of time.
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Oct 26, 2019 19:51
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clinton won the popular vote and it wasn't even close. shame that isn't how you actually win an american election though. considering that 66% of the recent presidents were elected in this way, perhaps you should, i don't know, go to michigan??? just an idea
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im starting a fund to move all cspam posters into one key county so our votes can finally matter
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Toxic Mental posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo Someone asked why we refer to Bernie as a compromise candidate, and I explained why. Why is that difficult for you to understand?
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i live in a ""battleground"" state but turns out when you give up on winning such a state, it turns into a "red state". weird. wonder if these things are related
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ur in my world now posted:i live in a ""battleground"" state but turns out when you give up on winning such a state, it turns into a "red state". weird. wonder if these things are related they stopped caring about my state the second claire mccaskill won her election against the legitimate rape guy but didn't vote for obama and started treating it as though it wasn't called the bellweather state for however loving long because democrats are useless assholes willing to burn down everything poor as soon as they don't like the smell of somewhere~
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Toxic Mental posted:What the gently caress is this poo poo gently caress poo poo piss!
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Oct 26, 2019 21:59
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Bernie is a compromise because he isn't going to gulag half the nation upon entering the White House
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my single issue vote is mandatory siestas nationwide everyday from 2 to 4 pm no candidate has stepped forward with this, and i wont vote until they do even bernie sanders 
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bernie is the kompromat candidate
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Toxic Mental posted:If Warren was/is winning by more we probably wouldn't even be having this argument because everyone will absolutely swallow their pride and vote for her even the biggest bernie bros after hillary lost i got to laugh at everone who held their nose to vote for her, just like i'll laugh at anyone who votes for biden or warren why should i not laugh at someone running the same failed play over and over and expecting a different result? incumbent presidents don't lose elections in these united states. why the gently caress would you think granpa joe or professor plans are gonna beat him? bernie at least has a theory as to why he's gonna win. he's gonna activate a giant section of people who don't normally vote. all the other candidate's have the same idiot plan that failed in every incumbent election for decades
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Majorian posted:Someone asked why we refer to Bernie as a compromise candidate, and I explained why. Why is that difficult for you to understand? Don't vote for someone based on their race, sex, sexual orientation and gender identity, income bracket, political affiliation etc., vote for them based on their ideas. You'd think that after how famous Milo Yiannopoulos and Candace Owens got people would realize that just because someone is in a minority doesn't mean they're automatically going to have great politics. All those things you listed are irrelevant.
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SorePotato posted:im starting a fund to move all cspam posters into one key county so our votes can finally matter let's all move to wyoming
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Toxic Mental posted:Don't vote for someone based on their race, sex, sexual orientation and gender identity, income bracket, political affiliation etc., vote for them based on their ideas. If someone had Bernie's ideas or better, and was not an old cis-het white dude, it would be better to vote for them. Be less annoyingly dumb, you annoyingly dumb person.
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Peanut President posted:let's all move to wyoming no, look at what that did to kanye
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what has electorialism gained other than grant indulgences for people to believe that they are doing their part? if you haven't noticed, republicans control most of the governorships, the presidency, the supreme court, the lower federal courts, the senate. it has failed and will continue to fail electorialism is the special cup you buy at starbucks to convince yourself are a good person who cares about saving the amazon. meanwhile, a literal facist is burning it down. it exists to make you feel like you made a difference while you continue to do nothing that matters
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Ytlaya posted:It is not very common that people get angry at others for voting for the lesser evil Democrat, but it is extremely common for people to demand others "vote blue no matter who" and condemn them for not doing so (or even expressing hesitation to do so). I'd probably agree with you that it's dumb for someone to get really mad at someone else who says they'll vote "blue no matter who," but that doesn't happen nearly as often as the opposite. Vote blue no matter who is the pascals wager of american politics. Its used as a way to try to bully and intimidate people into backing blood-drenched neo-liberal centrism by playing off their fears of uncertainty. Trump would likely be less bad than Biden for the simple fact that, if Biden somehow wins, all the mush brain libs will go back to sleep or, worse, start smugly lecturing everyone about how its good actually to install murderous right wing dictators in central america and how we all have some growing up to do if we think thats, like, super evil. At least with someone like Trump people will be paying attention and yelling about all the horrible poo poo he's doing. Obama deported more people than any other president and created billions of dollars in infrastructure to facilitate further brutal, sickening oppression of the refugees his administration created and libs ignored it or tried to justify it, which they absolutely would continue to do if Biden (or Harris or Buttigieg) won the nomination/GE. Dont get me wrong - Trump is just as, if not more, evil than Biden et al but if there's no R next to the name then nobody seems to give a poo poo about the despicable actions of our government. Lesser of two evils "vote blue no matter who" has lead to a relentless rightward shift over the last several decades and it is an actively toxic mentality.
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Calibanibal posted:bernie is the kompromat candidate
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Zvahl posted:they stopped caring about my state the second claire mccaskill won her election against the legitimate rape guy but didn't vote for obama and started treating it as though it wasn't called the bellweather state for however loving long because democrats are useless assholes willing to burn down everything poor as soon as they don't like the smell of somewhere~ hello fellow missouri goon. same. i feel bad for the stalwart blue areas in weird places like ste. genevieve that have been completely thrown to the wolves by the crooked dem party. it really sucks trying to defend these places when literally no one aside from bernie on a national scale gives a poo poo about them
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