|
(ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ powitics is back baby! it's good again! uwuuuuuuuuuuu~ (wowf howw ◖⚆ᴥ⚆◗) right. that got that out of my system
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 07:59
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 9, 2024 20:03 |
|
|
Purple Prince posted:Who else thinks the result is likely to be a comically hung parliament with a slight swing to Labour? I don’t know if that’s better or worse than the current situation because it splits parliament between up to 3 parties (lib dem / Snp / Labour) and that’s going to make a coherent policy position hard to come by.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 09:57
|
|
|
bingo card for Tory policymakers, where the free square is "denying the Srebrenica genocide"
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 10:16
|
|
|
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 10:57
|
|
|
Braggart posted:Also giving back the commons. Good job Andrew. continuing a theme, the siskin  
CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Nov 1, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 11:42
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:You're now on the loving list for Wimbledon.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 12:15
|
|
|
Swinson the Carpathian
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 12:28
|
|
|
 Brexit is but a door, election time is but a window. I'll be back CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Nov 1, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 12:37
|
|
|
lmao who bought me this avatar
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 12:44
|
|
|
jabby posted:This is actually slick as loving hell. Might even be motivated to go out canvassing rather than just chucking some cash. VideoGames posted:How could I not? goddamnedtwisto posted:Presumably you don't need to be a momentum member to join in? The Labour campaign site is clunky as hell, stop telling me about fundraising drivers in Croydon and let me know where you need my elite knocking skills. I'm poo poo at the actual talking, but boy do I know how to knock on a door.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 13:44
|
|
|
Angepain posted:As VideoGames is clearly a pink blob from Planet Popstar and I'll hear no contradictory evidence, I looked up what Kirby's official gender is (localised male, but not specified in Japan) and found this very useful diagram on Wikipedia actually, thinking about it, Kirby has mastered the dialectic! ed: warning! do not search for "thicc kirby" unless you want a shock CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Nov 1, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 14:09
|
|
|
JeremoudCorbynejad posted:mods p-please  ed: or 
CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Nov 1, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 14:26
|
|
|
ah, but this only shows how badly Labour mismanage local governance! etc. e: ^^ fb
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 15:32
|
|
|
kirby backing dancer line!
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 16:33
|
|
|
Starsnostars posted:My Conservative MP won with a majority of over 16,000 in my constituency in 2017 so there will be no significant splitting of the vote by the Brexit Party. It's hard to get motivated about voting when your constituency is a foregone conclusion. oh no  the piss birds may fly at you, but don't eat them! they're not healthy! dodge them instead!
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 17:47
|
|
|
Looking forward to Johnson performing his greatest hits, like "Venezuela", "Get Brexit Done", "Mad Marxist", and "Please Stop Showing Me Pictures Of Ditches"
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 18:15
|
|
|
Maugrim posted:Hey thread, do we have any evidence/material regarding Swinson / the lib dems being poo poo on the NHS? I'm marshalling my arguments to persuade my sister to vote Labour rather than Lib Dem and I think a heartfelt appeal pointing out how important the NHS are/have been to my family would be a big factor in swaying her. https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11971/jo_swinson/east_dunbartonshire/votes#health
|
|
#
¿
Nov 1, 2019 23:58
|
|
|
welcome, lurkers! please snuggle yourselves into thread much like this fairy wren don't worry about white noise. here is a very small and round birb (long-tailed tit) for you to look after, to take your mind off it. some call this birb the "flying lollipop". they are wrong. do not pay attention to them. 
CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 2, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 08:05
|
|
|
VideoGames posted:What do you do if when you scream you create the void. 
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 09:09
|
|
|
NLJP posted:I am also a lurker and want to hank you regulars for the thread, I've been in hospital since early September and keep dipping into this hot bullshit and it is a good? distraction.     
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 09:55
|
|
|
justcola posted:Got a letter through the door from the Tories asking me to fill out a 2 page questionnaire about the NHS. The last question is good as you get to rank what resources need improving, like who would win in a fight between mental health services or obesity and diabetes.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 17:46
|
|
|
gh0stpinballa posted:when people describe lib dems and lib dem boosters as social fascists there is some truth there tbh the incredibly dumb thing is that Labour isn't even that threatening to capital - capital is grumbling but sort of willing-ish because Labour isn't actually anti-capitalism, it's the """elite""" (lol) journalists and political class who have the problem. like, for many factions of capital, a Labour government wouldn't be that bad, all things considered, and Labour higher-ups have shown willingness to compromise. just dumb as poo poo decision making all round
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 18:20
|
|
|
gh0stpinballa posted:the objective reality of corbyn as a compromise candidate between the left and the middle doesn't matter really, cos capital and media "perceive" him as a threat. there is room to work with this so it's not entirely bleak, but there are plenty of wealthy, elderly fascists around who will be fully on board with a violent right wing street movement. MikeCrotch posted:There is definitely a situation where a good chunk of the membership is getting increasingly annoyed with Corbyn for being overly compromising on things, particularly with the PLP. essentially there seems to be a good cop, bad cop dynamic with Corbyn and McDonnell respectively towards the parliamentary party - it shouldn't be a surprise that McDonnell is omnipresent at The World Transformed and seemingly more popular among engaged party members. One question here is exactly how important Corbyn is personally to the project as a whole, and how much of the "Oh Jeremy Corbyn" spirit will stay after he's gone (whenever that may be). As you say, there's a chunk of the left getting pretty pissed off at the compromising, and there's going to be more compromising if Labour get in (from McDonnell as well, probably, given how his rhetoric's shifted), so at that point is Corbyn a liability to the left or is his reputation and "vibe" critical for connection with the target voters? Which then leads to the question of exactly what recourse the party's left has if they do want to get rid; the extent to which the leadership is actually responsive and accountable to the membership (it should be, given that democracy supposed to be is one of Corbyn's key Things) Also there's the union problem which seems a bit thorny; how long would the unions stay on Labour's side if Labour tried to really push the Green New Deal thing as far as it needs to go? If an essential policy creates 10,000 green jobs but removes 20,000 polluting ones, which way do the unions break? Does Labour get pressured into not doing the policy and loving the climate targets? etc. Future's looking interesting. ed: sorry, i've been... brambling... a bit  CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Nov 2, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 21:19
|
|
|
Eschenique posted:This can't possibly be real.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 2, 2019 21:44
|
|
|
Anti-fascism, by suppressing the freedom of speech of fascists, prevents both fascists and anti-fascists from reaching fully disalienated class consciousness and thus liberation. Why do you hate the left so much as to suggest that class consciousness should be prevented?
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 10:16
|
|
|
devil's advocate: Swinson isn't entirely wrong from the LD point of view. They're assuming that politics has restructured entirely around Brexit and Leave / Remain, in which case the good council and EU election results for LD in that district might become a better predictor than the 2017 result, and the graph almost (with a bunch of twisting around in the ol' brainpan) makes sense - Full Remain vs Full Leave and we don't understand what Labour are doing and neither does anyone else. Would I like to bet on this? No I would not.
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 14:28
|
|
|
Braggart posted:Do you think the Lib Dems might have an incentive to claim to hold this belief?
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 14:45
|
|
|
Just back from doorknocking, turns out the centrists are right and better things are not, in fact, possible. Also,  foreigners scroungers  Braggart posted:Well I would argue that whether individual Lib Dems actually believe it or they are just lying for short term advantage is irrelevant to us. And also to them Guavanaut posted:Maybe not as much as regulating mechanized agriculture, but it adds up (and the thread has already established that agriculture was the greatest human mistake). https://edgeeffects.net/haraway-tsing-plantationocene/ Pesky Splinter posted:Cum Dom pulling numbers from his secret arse. now, because i need something nice after this afternoon and so do you, presenting: the house martin   
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 19:36
|
|
|
The original tweet isn't really wrong - Labour's need to keep the unions happy could potentially lead to some bad environmental policy decisions, not sure why this is controversial? unions aren't magically revolutionary and leftist, once they hit a certain size / life-cycle point they become bureaucratic institutions whose role is self-reproduction and keeping their members in a job, and this might end up contradicting the goals of a wider leftist movement. It's happened before, it'll likely happen again.goddamnedtwisto posted:Looks a lot like one of those circular locks you can defeat with a correctly-sized straw/pen ink reservoir. * This is all hypothetical, obviously one should never pick an in-use lock or a lock one doesn't own in case of damaging it, even experienced pickers gently caress up from time to time, myself included, it'd be a bit embarrassing to explain to your landlord and probably get you evicted; fortunately, as Guava said, you don't need to pick it, you can just stick a cold pack on top of the box  cheaper and easier!ed: for more information about picking tubular locks, LockPickingLawyer has a playlist of his tubular lock picks. Also Lock Noob. vvvv oh, probably, but that's more effective and less fun; if you knew the manufacturer you could probably order "replacements" directly CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Nov 3, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 20:00
|
|
|
ronya posted:You are right: https://www.securitysafetyproducts.co.uk/security/protective-covers-cages/thermostop-medium-thermostat-guard-extra-keys-pack-of-2.php. I like that there is a picture of the key itself. still more fun to pick them though!
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 20:14
|
|
|
Guavanaut posted:Thanks, this is good. I like 'Capitalcene' better than Plantationocene, but I think that might only cover the bit from the 1600s through to today. I'd perhaps go one further and call it the Civitacene, because the big change in our interaction with nature that came up with us alongside agriculture and developed as it did is the change from nomadism to the idea of fixed territory that is 'ours'. The modern idea of the sovereign nation-state may be post-Westphalian, but the idea of a 'state' in general took root when we first broke the soil at Nippur. OwlFancier posted:If you like silly key reuse then I reccomend Deviant Ollam's presentations on youtube on the subject. jabby posted:Did you see the survey question the graph was produced from? 
|
|
#
¿
Nov 3, 2019 20:57
|
|
|
ed: fine. birbs it is then. swallow   mehall posted:Catte tax Bundy posted:Hey folks, while I was away on holiday I noticed someone that volunteers for a CLP or Momentum I think looking for computer touchers? I can't seem to find it now but I'm a Python dev/SQL DBA if there's something I can help someone with. Comrade Fakename posted:The plan in Momentum is to focus on marginals, but if you fill out the volunteer form (https://forms.gle/rSApq7hYfYSKzKzg6 you can ask about it in Slack. CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 10:54 on Nov 4, 2019 |
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 10:50
|
|
|
mehall posted:E; you paid birb tax as I hit quote apparently, but I've posted another kitten pic already. 
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 11:01
|
|
|
Mr Phillby posted:Feeling encouraged to post more and lurk less. You all brought this upon yourself.   
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 13:19
|
|
|
Borrovan posted:One of the hardest parts of actually implementing the kinds of strong environmental protections we need is the whole turkeys/Christmas thing: as soon as anyone starts doing it in a way that actually interferes with people's livelihood/lifestyle (which we kind of need to do), it's absolutely trivial for opportunist politicians to start saying ENVIRONMENTALIST POLITICIANS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, and you lose the next election in a landslide. A model of environmental protection that you can't actually implement in practice is a bad model. Carborundum posted:I think this is something the Green movement struggles with sometimes. I think the point is that any transition to a Green economy (hate that term) has to be a just transition and can't leave behind the large sectors of society that are going to have to fundamentally shift; from people who work on oil rigs to dairy farmers. Look at the yellow vest movement for an example of what happens when misguided environmental policies come up against people's daily struggle. A policy of 'save the planet at all costs' is not going to be popular among the people who are going to have to pay those costs - which will be the poor and vulnerable and the working class unless the transition is focused on them from the start. Agreed that the Greens are not exactly making that criticism in the best of faith, and they'd have trouble building consensus for their policies. I also agree that unions are almost certainly necessary to get this process started, and probably the best way. I still think it's worth considering the potential tensions, though. In the short term, it's easy to imagine restructuring a number of jobs in a climate / environment direction - fine, unions will be on board with that. But in the medium-to-long term, we're going to need to start drawing back on lifestyle emissions - availability of certain foods, removing non-electric private transport, etc. This is probably going to hit living standards in certain ways - can't always guarantee buses at the correct time, unlike car ownership! Given that this will negatively affect union members, which way do the unions go? If it turns out that there aren't enough jobs to replace a given industry, what do the unions for that industry do? With just transitions and paying the costs, the people who are going to pay the greatest costs of climate change are the Global South (and it isn't even close!) Any just transition worth the word "just" is going to have to take that into account and, as you say, focus on them from the start. Fortunately, the Labour Green New Deal's policy platform does that (nice to see). But, again, what happens in practice when unions are inevitably forced into choosing between the just transition and the transition that's easier on their members? Do you try and build consciousness in the members to explain why their lives will be materially worse or do you throw the Global South under the bus? yet again Large institutions tend to have inertia and be resistant to change from within, so I guess what I'm building towards is my concern about what's needed to influence unions and their membership into supporting a truly global "just transition" (even though it may demand a lot of people) - extra-union institutions and organizing, metasystems, whatever; I have no idea needs to be done to make it work, or whether that sort of thinking is already taking place? Anyway. It's a fucker of a problem, and I can't see any way other than cooperation with the unions to at least get things started down that road. Unless and until Climate Leviathan arises, taking the decision mercifully out of our hands
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 13:58
|
|
|
it'd be worth it to see children try to explain to their parents that actually being a nurse or teacher isn't technically productive labour, and furthermore...
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 18:52
|
|
|
the tweet comments of any British political figure are rife with bots and idiots, and there's a decent chance, if they are bots or paid reply-guys, that they're run by the Tories or BREXIT rather than Russia
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 20:48
|
|
|
Ms Adequate posted:The UK has extremely powerful transphobia. That particular person might be a bot but it could just as easy be a real Mumsnet poster. ed: could also just be a general right-wing arsehole, but is all that poo poo characteristic of the Mumsnet type? I'm not up to date with what's going on there
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 21:17
|
|
|
Communist Thoughts posted:Can ronya or someone smarter than me point me to a good explanation of LTV? I think it's that if you vote labour, that's good value https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGT-hygPqUM&list=PL3F695D99C91FC6F7 (also, noting the playlist title, it's often called Law of Value by Marxists, not Labour Theory of Value, which iirc tends to be reserved for Smith and Ricardo?)
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 22:25
|
|
|
|
| # ¿ May 9, 2024 20:03 |
|
|
Communist Thoughts posted:E or is it just some old timey bullshit that only marxist academics and telegraph writers care about
|
|
#
¿
Nov 4, 2019 22:54
|
|