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Azathoth posted:My dude, operate a charity fund where you specifically treat anyone asking for accountability with sneering contempt. If you're not going to make even the barest minimum effort to not look shady as hell, you shouldn't be surprised when people assume the worst about you. If you look at the most recent post in the other thread, it's starting to seem like if plinkey wanted to run this like the UK fund (e.g., above the board) he'd need at least 1 full time certified accountant to keep it straight. Even just skimming the IRS documents make me feel pretty drat certain that other fund is not gonna be able to get off the ground without money coming in to bootstrap the organizational infrastructure.
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City Slicker posted:The flipside of that means that the fund - as it stands - may be operating illegally and exposing Plinkey to a huge personal tax liability. He's claiming it as income and probably just disbursing the money through whatever digital means as a gift. That gets him past the distribution tracking and uncle sam doesn't give a poo poo because he's getting his beak wet. Doing poo poo tax-free is not surprisingly more onerous for everyone involved.
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Oct 17, 2022 20:54
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Schir posted:it feels weird that plinkey posted this like an hour ago and then everyone keeps saying he's continuing to refuse to address the concerns people have about transparency Also not cool that Az is perpetuating insinuations with the authority of his position in spite of that
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Oct 17, 2022 20:58
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Azathoth posted:It will be good and do a lot to address concerns when he does that. I hope he follows through with that and doesn't just not do it, like when he said he was gonna set up as a proper charity a couple years ago and then didn't do that. You are straight up openly hostile to Plinkey right now. I hope you can see that. If you know something, say it. If not, you're just making things worse by amplifying baseless speculation that requires you actively ignoring the good that has come from the existence of the fund. And you're doing that as an admin. He said he provided information to Jeff, is going to provide additional information in time. Antagonism based on "this doesn't feel right" is not constructive.
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Oct 17, 2022 21:07
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Azathoth posted:I've looked into setting up a 501(c)(3) before and I would very much like him to detail why the fund is hard to set up because I'm not seeing it. There's numerous platforms that will do all the reporting stuff for less than Patreon is taking, and offer accountability and all I've heard back is vague "it would be too hard". did you miss the part where he needs to incorporate and then pay a corporate tax lawyer and, depending on how he disburses the funds/various state laws, is require to track PII from the recipients who are then also on the hook to report the funds as income (taking more money they don't have)
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Oct 17, 2022 21:08
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The red star seeped into Az so quickly. I'm sorry friend, if I'd known this would be what became of you I'd have never nominated you. It's not too late. Cast it aside, return to the bird thread. There still may be enough of you left.
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Oct 17, 2022 21:12
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Straight up a "How do you know he is a witch" well 'e looks like one! Burn him Come the gently caress on, Az you were supposed to be the good one
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Oct 17, 2022 21:22
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I'm sure the beloved community member of nearly 2 decades who is also employed and wealthy by his own means decided after all that time to start skimming from a charity fund that makes sense on the basis that the same people who are always trying to destroy parts of cspam said it was the case brilliant detective work, Azathoth you've cracked the loving case wide open on this one
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Oct 17, 2022 21:24
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Vim Fuego posted:Right? it's like if the man with no name rode into town, shot the coffin maker and the bartender, then rode out the situation is not only unresolved, it's made all the worse and stranger for his involvement
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Oct 17, 2022 21:31
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ram dass in hell posted:this is what you're doing Az! Hope you feel great about it! Keep up the good work chief! but his "friends" in the not-just-surrogate-drama thread are clapping him on the back he did good, you see we're all proud of what you've become, Az
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Oct 17, 2022 21:35
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Azathoth posted:Okay, mean culpa time. I'm reading over my posts and I'm embarrassed. I hope you realize you got spun up in this the same exact way that crew used to play fluffdaddy like beat for beat, it's the same cycle playing out
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Oct 17, 2022 21:42
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Azathoth posted:I hate this, but yeah. oh well good on you for seeing it and admitting mistakes please don't destroy yourself in the name of your position
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ram dass in hell posted:hey Az you forgot to take your worthless lackey with you, I think he's lost imagine being relegated to the "Biff's sidekick with the 3d glasses" of posters
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Oct 17, 2022 21:56
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Even the well-meaning UK goons are from a country that is not explicitly designed to make tax exempt charity drat near impossible The US wants its share and it wants to make sure it's getting its share if you're not an actual accountant you don't know how the gently caress hard it is to set up a charitable organization in a country where operating with 25% going to overhead expenses is considered a best case scenario
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Oct 17, 2022 22:07
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lobster shirt posted:between the 20% patreon cut and taxes supposedly being paid on this stuff by accepting 36k in additional income, 25% of donations going ot operating expenses would be an improvement i think cool, so before you get to a stable operating cost you also have to front several thousand to lawyers and accountants to get started so who's paying that, should that come from a different fund than the aid fund do you reckon
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The fund may have lost a lot of money and goons in need may go hungry but for a short time, the admins felt popular and their friends got some brain tingles out of breaking something so who's really to say what was good or bad
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MonsieurChoc posted:Probably, it's a goon project. That's not really what happened though, is it? We got a bunch of trolls throwing a huge tantrum across three subforums because they don't like the idea of people getting help to buy food. Then they set up their own fund that will never every get off the ground because they didn't actually care in the first place. Spite can be a powerful motivator but I am sincerely intrigued to see if it's strong enough to contend with the glacial bureaucracy of US tax code and corporate legal requirements If they actually go through all of that and get it incorporated I will eat every word of my skepticism
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grieving for Gandalf posted:I think Jeff has made the right decision and I'm very interested in what the guy's response will be. I legitimately don't know if he can run the fund under those conditions, basic as they are. Jeff, what happens if he can't furnish those things? Goons go cold and hungry and people cheer that as a victory
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jarofpiss posted:it's not being stolen if it's being funded by no-strings-attached patreon subscriptions? are you the kind of person that hands a homeless person a sandwich instead of money because you're worried they'll spend it wrong? More the sort that walks by without making eye contact while concocting a backstory in their head about how it's that person's fault for being homeless, they're probably a dangerous drug addict - and then later laughing with friends about how weird this person they saw was, muttering those crazy things
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jarofpiss posted:wrong i paid upwards of $25 to the goon fund and i am entitled to the returns on my investment there is no point in arguing, there isn't any issue here to "win" on this is the same old story of some middle-aged posters arrested developmentally in their teen years saw an unlocked car and decided to take it out for a joy ride and set it on fire because they were bored
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Slanderer posted:this is pathetic Yeah, but with any luck in another decade or two they should grow out of it and contented in senility.
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Has any of the concern/insinuation come from people that have actually given money to this fund
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fun hater posted:so you have to give money to the fund to have an opinion on it, but if you dont like how its run then dont give money to it. ???? at this point, yeah you're not the government, if people want to throw their money in the black box let them if you don't want to, give money to the other fund go help people I think everybody involved is sufficiently aware some random people with no affiliation suggested Plinkey may have spent money inappropriately. Put it in the first post in big red letters for all I loving care just get the gently caress over it already, let this go back to being a banal thread where people can ask for money without having to wade through pages of this bullshit and let the other thread have your money
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