[DEFUNCT] former goonbucks thread, no more goonbucks here

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DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

redneck nazgul posted:

just permaban him for being a scammer already, you've already made up your mind that he's a bad dude. a bunch of people who used the goon fund will probably get screwed but, hey, QCS was just really concerned that some poor goons might have gotten bamboozled when they weren't laughing at the idea of goons being bamboozled.

insane leaps of logic. nobody who uses the fund would be screwed if the fund was handled responsibly. if anything, they'd receive more help, if this was organized properly.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 21:08

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 16:52

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

16-bit Butt-Head posted:

im tired of talking about this because i know no matter what goons will keep donating to the shady goon who refuses to answer questions and gets hostile when asked simple questions out of spite but all people want is some transparency about the money and who it is going to and what it is being used for no one wants to dox anyone

Yeah, but the hardcore plinkey sycophants might not be representative of everyone donating. We don't know how many goons currently give to the fund because they want to help other posters, but do so under some duress as they feel uncomfortable with how the fund is structured. In the last two days, since this has all blown up, the patreon has already gone down $300.00, and I don't doubt that there are more goons currently giving who in the coming weeks will also decide to drop off from this cause in order to divert it to the more transparent fund.

We also do not know how many goons there are in this forum who WOULD currently be donating to the fund if it was organized properly. Its quite possible that the new thread will bring in more money than this one.

Setting this poo poo up properly will help more people and anyone saying otherwise is totally bonkers

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:00

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Siegkrow posted:

That's 300 dollars less to help people until someone can loving prove that Plinkey is skimming off the top.

Lets do some thought experiments here.

How much money does the fund have? I don't mean income, I mean how much is currently sitting in there.

Are we assuming that the fund is operating at a net-zero? Is ~3200 going in each month, and exactly ~3200 is going out to pay goons? I doubt it, but lets assume so. This is really precarious! Lets assume hypothetically that Plinkey is kicked off Patreon today, for whatever reason. 3200/mo becomes 0/mo. If the fund is operating at a net zero, then the fund is suddenly completely unable to help anybody until Plinkey is able to secure a new source of donations. Wouldn't the people giving money like to know if that is the case? I sure would!

More likely than that, the fund is not operating at net zero, and there is excess money left over each month. Hopefully this money is being kept in an account where it can accumulate interest and can be accessed when the need arrives, say if the Patreon starts to dry up but people are still in need.. But we don't know how much is in there and that's a problem!

Lets say of the 3200/mo, 2200 is going out to goons. So there would be 10,000 excess funding so far from this year, that should be sitting in an account, enough to cover 4-5 months of that same rate. That would give Plinkey plenty of time to continue supporting goons while trying to re-secure the funding. Great!

But lets say there's a lot less money sitting around (because we have ZERO idea how much money there is!). Lets say there's only about 100 dollars leftover at the end of each month, and Plinkey is not able to sustain the fund without the Patreon. Wou'dnt you want to know if the fund's existence was this precarious? Letting the community know "hey, our funds are a bit low right now" would be a fantastic way to secure more donations, because I can't imagine anybody who is currently giving would want to see this thing fail.

And another hypothetical, lets say that the fund is doing really well, and there's more like 30k sitting around. Don't you think, if that was the case, that there are some donors out there who might take that information and reduce their current pledge? I'm sure that not everyone currently giving is totally financially stable. Without being properly informed about the financial wellbeing of the fund, some of these individuals might feel pressured into giving more than they really feel comfortable.

Anyways, none of this even takes into account the possibility that amounts might be skimmed off the top. We don't need to consider that at all, because no matter how you slice it, the failure to disclose financials is automatically misappropriation. It doesn't matter if Plinkey is putting the money into a bank account, or if he's hording it in his sock drawer. it doesn't matter if he is shoving it into a huge cartoon money bag and dragging it straight to the casino, it doesn't matter if he is throwing dollar bills out the window at homeless people, or if he's feeding they money to an alligator at the zoo. The fact that it is unaccounted for is unethical, end of story. People are giving money to a specific cause, and people have a right to know how that money is being used for that cause.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:35

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

I think the discussion moved back to the sagas thread since nobody is going to step up to become the next target lol

Nobody asked for your thought experiments. Donate or don't. Request or don't. Save this stuff for the alternative pitch, scoot along now they need you very badly. All you're doing here is convincing people to not accept help when you've set up fuckall to pick up the slack, get crackin

how about you respond to anything i actually said lol.

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:47

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Epic High Five posted:

You didn't say anything. You were thinking out loud by your own admission, who cares. Go do something about it instead, the framework's down, you have your thread and it even has a big ol' thumbs up from the admins, like I said you've caught the car so figure it out, what good does 6 paragraphs of nested hypotheticals do? Go go go there's no time to lose!

I'm showing why it is in everyone's best interest to know how much money there is you dunce. Can you please provide me with even one reason why it benefits people NOT to know?

# ¿ Oct 17, 2022 22:58

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

smarxist posted:

who cares?

are we in court or something are you talking to a jury that's going to do something? lmao

sorry i spoke a bit out of school your honor

you won. the thread is unstuck, lost hundreds of dollars and you handed your next fun drama project clusterfuck to some other posters, take the dub and gently caress off

you know, if we had any information on the numbers, we might be able to determine whether or not the loss of $300 will actually affect the fund's ability to help goons or not.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:23

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Barnum Brown Shoes posted:

Who gives a gently caress

presumably many of the people who are donating give a gently caress, considering that there are already people unsubscribing? and also, considering that people have been asking for transparency since the thread's beginning, I think all those people care too. you should take a deep breath man

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:29

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Schir posted:

yes, and plinkey has said he'll put out a public spreadsheet next month

yes, that is awesome.

i don't get why it has taken so long of this to happen, but hopefully he is planning to continuously update this spreadsheet for the community. i also think it would be great if he would consider cooperating with any of the goons who have offered assistance with getting this thing more organized.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:31

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

CODChimera posted:

are you going to read the spreadsheets every month?

sure, and I'd advise anyone donating to do so as well. if you don't want to read them that's okay, that's your right, but there is no reason that the info shouldn't be readily available to the community.

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 00:40

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Riot Bimbo posted:

the thing itself was not creating harm to the community or anybody involved

we literally don't know if this is true or not, because we don't know what is happening to the money. if donations are not being used for their intended purpose, then that is harm being done to the community. and before you say that nobody itt is saying anything about that, people have been asking for transparency since the thread started! we can't just isolate this to the last few days. This is an active problem that has been on-going, and has now developed to its current state. this 'drama' has not just emerged from the ether like some would try to frame this. in fact, this whole thing could've been resolved ages ago if Plinkey had not responded so aggressively towards people who, early on, wanted to help out, or had advice on how to keep things accountable.

and also, as I said before people are already unsubscribing from the Patreon. presumably those people care and are part of this community!

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:20

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

bebop esq posted:

you don't have any idea what you're talking about

can you state one single reason why it is actually beneficial to the fund not to release any numbers?

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:28

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Shiroc posted:

As someone whose only stake in this is that drama around leftist spaces is exhausting, here are the outcomes that we have for this:

1) plinkey follows through on giving some details, the people saying they're a grifter call it bullshit and everything cycles around again
2) plinkey doesn't, so everyone saying they're a grifter continues to and everything cycles around again
3) plinkey just gets sick of being called a degenerate gambler and thief and gives up, which will also be held as proof of everything having been bullshit
4) everyone chills the gently caress out, people who believe plinkey is doing good can continue to be involved here, the new one tries to get together and maybe ends up better or worse if they do

It feels like too many people are desperately trying to get #3 because it will make the most people the most miserable and create the most drama. Is there genuinely any accounting that plinkey could provide that doesn't violate the stated principles for this fund that would actually satisfy people who think its a scam?

uh, you're missing the possibility were we set this thing up the right way, and move to help people more efficiently. people have been trying to improve the fund since the start! literally nobody wants to see this blow up! it clearly has a good purpose and serves the community. in fact,many of the suggestions itt (such as not depending on one single person) would help to prevent the fund from blowing up out of nowhere

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:36

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

A big flaming stink posted:

are you making this criticism with hopes that it will lead to plinkey changing? because plinkey has made it emininently obvious he is unwilling to do so. are you making this criticism to discourage people from contributing to the fund? because if that's the case wow thats loving lovely.

people have attested, over and over, that this is not a problem for them. if this is a problem for you, either do not donate yourself, or convince others not to donate.

if you do the latter, people in here are going to get angry at you

aye aye aye, you have some pretzel logic here

Plinkey has already stated that he is going to release numbers. That sounds like he is, in fact, willing to change! And I think its a terrific start. The biggest problem, imo, is that there is no transparency with the fund. The community should know what is happening with the money, how much money the fund has, etc. It is my sincere hope that Plinkey continues to supply this information moving forward. It is the right thing to do, and will help to re-build trust.

Following from that, I also hope that Plinkey can look to the UK fund for inspiration, and will look to re-structure things such to avoid any unnecessary third party fees, like the cut Patreon is currently taking. I know several people have reached out to him to assist with this. In fact, if Plinkey is willing to work to make that happen, then I see absolutely no reason for the other fund to exist. The best case scenario here really is that Plinkey and those goons team up improve the infrastructure of our existing fund. I think that would best serve everyone!

Now, if Plinkey is unable to make any long-term changes, in that case, yeah I think that people would be much better served supporting the other fund. But no, altogether the point of my criticism is not at all to just discourage people from giving to a charitable cause. I just don't want to see people get ripped off.

And again, yes I know that there are people ITT who do not care about the lack of transparency. You can go back to the start of the thread and follow it and find that there have been plenty of people who feel differently than that, long before the "pyf drama invasion".

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 02:58

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

A big flaming stink posted:

im gonna be real with you the thread of the other fund currently has every stereotype of a goon project going down in flames

well that would suck. Sounds like the ball is in Plinkey's court to try and fix things then, and hopefully he will

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 03:05

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Turambar posted:

I don't care if most of the money is spent on gamergirl bath water. At least some of the fund ends up with people a lot worse off than me.

dude. uh. you should care about that

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# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 21:28

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

dope fiend killa g is saying that you probably should care if your money isn't being used to help someone, not that some of it might be

thank you. not caring about what the money is ised for is such a weird attitude to have. being outright proud that it might be used for something else�man thats like the complete opposite of why you should give to charity

# ¿ Oct 18, 2022 21:45

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

There�s literally nothing unreasonable in what Jeff is asking. Also, I don�t think his post prevents anyone from continuing to ask Plinkey for support.

grieving for Gandalf posted:

I don't want anyone to go cold and hungry. you don't think the fund's finances can stand up to basic scrutiny?

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 18:18

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

spacemang_spliff posted:

Jeff, I'm curious: DId anyone who had donated to the fund or received money from the fund ever provide any sort of evidence that the fund was being misappropriated or that Plinkey was using it as a personal slush fund?

1st of all:

Zil posted:

I have donated money to and received money from the fund and I say there should be more transparency and it should not be under the management of a single person. Not because I necessarily distrust you Plinkey, but more so there is more than a single point of failure if something happens to you.

There were a few more posts like this, but I don't have time to find them right now. (Pentyne maybe use your magic?)

There have also been a few posts like this:

FiendishThingy posted:

I posted this in the sagas thread and was asked to post it here as well.

Here's my experience. On June 30th I posted a request and e-mailed him this:

On July 7 I received this reply:

I replied with my Paypal about 30 minutes later and never heard anything back. I e-mailed him again on July 30th

So I figured it was either a scam or I was too much of a lurker to deserve help. I didn't post about it because it seemed like some people were getting help.

2nd: Because of the scope of the fund, you should consider any poster a potential donor or recipient. Anyone's opinion is valid, because anyone could be donating or in need of funds. I would be happy to donate if things were being run better. I guarantee I'm not alone in that feeling.

I'm going to continue to focus on posting in the other thread, and helping to put together the new fund. But could you please stop leveling these disingenuous accusations against anyone who could possibly have a different opinion than you on this. You're literally the guy inserting drama here RN. Take a breath and contemplate this for a bit, I think you just need to re-think. Thank you.

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 18:54

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

SirPablo posted:

You both were so concerned about this three year old thread that you started ASKING QUESTIONS all of five days ago. gently caress off.

I ususally dont read CSPAM. Sorry. But, it is a public forum on SA, and I'm reading it now. I see no reason for getting hostile with me.

People were asking the same questions earlier in the thread. These concerns didn't emerge from an ether. But, I'm sorry that I was not part of that original chorus.

And for the record, I am putting myself at risk of being doxxed in order to get the new fund off the ground. I don't think I would be doing that if I was being insincere. peace

# ¿ Oct 22, 2022 19:02

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

The Cameo posted:

where on earth is the new one, anyway

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4014910

# ¿ Nov 29, 2022 17:48

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

The Cameo posted:

Thanks guys, found it. Dude's blowing up at me right now, I'm pretty sure the friendship's over, but I submitted a request so hopefully it shows up because for some insane reason his landlord set a deadline of noon today for arrearred rent to be owed.

But seriously, thanks, goons

I think assistance already got sent out to you, but I would also advise reaching out to legal aid if you have a landlord hounding you like this. there�s specific procedures that your landlord has to go through for eviction, including proper notice, they can�t just show up and throw you out in an hours notice. depending where you are it could be a 3 day notice or a 30 day notice, but they gotta serve you with something. of course, landlords like to do things they aren�t supposed to, but that�s why you get the lawyers to advise you.

if they did serve you with prior notice, I�m gonna advise that if you end up in this situation again, reach out to legal aid immediately after receiving your notice, and feel free to reach out to the GoonFund sooner, we�re here to help. hope all works out well for you man, sorry about your trouble

# ¿ Nov 29, 2022 18:12

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 16:52

DOPE FIEND KILLA G: Jun 4, 2011

Paladinus posted:

To circle back on this. It's December now, and there are a lot of new posts in this thread, but it looks like it's mostly people arguing. Have there been any developments on the listed issues? It's not that the money's burning a hole in my pocket, but I do want to get my own budget in order for the end of the year, so would be nice to know if I can donate the money elsewhere.

there have been no changes in operating procedure here. however, i strongly encourage that you check out our new fund at https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4014910 where we've made a lot of progress recently.

speng31b posted:

update:

- $1885 distributed
- 11 donors registered
- 10 requests fulfilled
- none in progress

we can use all the help we can get

# ¿ Dec 1, 2022 15:52

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