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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Is there a second hearing for later today? Yup, an evening hearing.Volker and Morrison.
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No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas! I--I had a flat tire! I didn't have enough money for cab fare! My tux didn't come back from the cleaners! An old friend came in from out of town! Someone stole my car! There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD!!!
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oxsnard posted:I don't think people quite grasp how much young people loving despise Trump. Vote or Die in 2004 was corporate branded resistance aimed at 20 somethings. And it didn't work. This is something all together different. Most Americans think Trump is gonna win, and yet Democratic voters are more excited about an election than they were in November 2008 and 2012. That's with no candidate. The other big problem is for the GOP is the white suburban voters have turned on them. This is part Trump but also that many of these are younger 30-40 year older moving into these districts who are much more liberal. They would be best to convict him in the Senate, get Pence in there who announces he will not run for election and they throw another unconnected candidate in there by early Spring, that way they at least have a chance. But like you said they will likely acquit him in the Senate which will cause an even more massive blue wave in response. They live in their bullshit bubble and do not realize the backlash that is coming. One would think that the Virginia, Kentucky and Louisiana losses would have given some pause. It is also very strange that the GOP is putting that much political capital on smearing Joe Biden which anyone with half a brain would have realized he was never going to be the nominee.
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Nov 20, 2019 06:46
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oxsnard posted:The best thing for the party would be for Trump to keel over dead or resign. And then replace him with Nikki Haley. Removal is a lose lose situation because any gains from decorum/"both sides" voters wouldnt make up for the losses in the red cap crew Nikki Haley is now tainted as well. The GOP is going to want a clean break from Trump, especially if they are going to pivot like they need to. As for the Res Cap crew, they aren’t going anywhere. They aren’t going to vote for Democrats and while they might bitch and moan for a bit they will fall in like because they are mindless idiots that follow what Fox News tells them to. It’s like the Qanon stuff. I am convinced it is some Goon who decided to gently caress with these idiots and see what would be the thing that would be too outlandish for them to believe.
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Nov 20, 2019 17:23
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Slowpoke! posted:Chalupa! Take a shot. Nonono, Mountain Dew Baja Blast available only at Taco Bell!
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Nov 20, 2019 17:24
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SCHIFF GOING FOR THE THROAT!
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Nov 20, 2019 18:07
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Party Plane Jones posted:Quote this post if you want the ‘I want nothing’ Gang Tag whenever it gets uploaded. Sure
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Nov 20, 2019 21:22
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Nov 20, 2019 23:45
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oxsnard posted:Ok, so after thinking this over, how does that change the political calculus? I think it will be an Option D: GOP makes a sham impeachment trial. Democrats and Media will yell bloody murder but will be unable to do much. They will likely pull in Hunter Biden, the Taco Bell guy, George Soros any whatever other insane conspiracy figure they can in to question. When Democrats rightfully say that none of this has anything to do with what Trump did they will spout out nonsense. The Senate will vote to not convict. In turn that will put a ton of Senators into bad spots as by Summer it will become obvious that it is a noose they tied around their own necks. They will lose somewhere between 7-11 seats in the Senate and another 15-20 seats in the House. Even if Trump wins, which is unlikely, he will cost them all dearly. Since you know he won't be able to stop himself from bringing up how the Senate voted to not remove him EVERY SINGLE DAY of the next 10-11 months. All that will do is draw a massive target on the people who did that. Sadly it is all incredibly easy to see as they aren't good at hiding their intentions. Unless somehow they can convince Trump to resign and Pence to not run which is a huge long shot. All the smart politicians got drummed out of the GOP a decade plus ago so it isn't surprising that they don't realize they are driving the bus off the cliff.
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Nov 22, 2019 07:57
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Angry_Ed posted:I think there's at least 3 who are in for tough re-election fights in 2020 and if they voted to not even have the Senate Trial they'd be ensuring defeat. Yeah they aren't going to dismiss the trial. That would be political suicide more than what they are in already. I still think they are just going to put on a shame trial, use it as an excuse to pull Biden and whatever other conspiracy theories out there on the stage to confuse the public that this is about that not the President committing a crime. Then either vote to not remove or not hold a vote at all.
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Nov 22, 2019 19:03
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torgeaux posted:And Collins has a reason to vote against him, she's teetering on the edge of being unelectable post-Kavanaugh. Collins is sunk. She made the wrong choice with Kavanaugh and is going to pay the price with it. I would not count her as a swing anymore.
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Nov 22, 2019 19:05
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theflyingorc posted:Her main mistake was not picking a side early on and drawing so much attention. Being the single person whose opinion mattered was a really stupid place for her to put herself. I think she was expecting that she would look like she was a leader and whatnot in the battle. Problem is Flake pulled his stunt and put her in the corner. Whatever the play she was expecting to do became marginalized. From what I have heard the GOP is expecting her to lose that race. They are going all in on Arizona, North Carolina, Alabama and Georgia. They don't feel confident in Colorado or Texas. With the Pompeo stuff now Kansas will likely be an issue. Kentucky is not at all safe right now. I would look at Iowa and Montana as likely losses as well. If the blue wave is massive you could seen Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, and South Carolina as well. Like I said before I expect them GOP to lose between 7-15 seats in 2020 unless some miracle happens.
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NoDamage posted:I think you're right about this. Once they have control over the proceedings they're going to muddy the waters by subpoenaing Joe and Hunter Biden at the very least. They will probably also out the whistleblower in the process. They are going to try. From what I gather they actually don't know who the whistleblower is and the person they have been trying to say is it, isn't. The reason why they are pushing for that person is it gives them a narrative that they are somehow partisan.
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Nov 22, 2019 23:15
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Ogmius815 posted:I think this wildly optimistic. Dems will win Colorado and it will be a dogfight in Maine and Arizona. Dems have a shot in NC but will have to be very lucky to win anywhere else. Maine is underwater, when she votes to not remove Trump that will be it for her. Internally the GOP is already considering it lost. Arizona will be a fight because the GOP doesn't want to lose and put a ton of resources into it but I don't think it will ultimately be that close. Georgia will likely be a big battleground and the place to watch. Both of those seats are up, the Democrats have been mobilizing heavily there since Abrahams using her organization to build out for those races. If the Democrats don't get at least one of those seats things will be trouble for the election. Perhaps it is wildly optimistic. I have been looking at recent trends from the last couple of elections post-Trump and a little bit of insider knowledge from both sides.
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Nov 22, 2019 23:26
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Skex posted:The reason is that she's on everyone's short list for VP That and she is going to be heading up all of the Georgia races it seems. I believe she thinks she can be more effective stumping and working for everyone. We shall see. I agree she should run for one of the Senate seats for the record.
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Nov 23, 2019 01:35
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oxsnard posted:I watched the rest of that Kimmel segment. He does a great job of summarizing the whole thing in about 4 minutes Kimmel, Colbert and Meyers have all been doing amazing coverage of all of this. I am kind of surprised none of it has had a break out.
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Nov 23, 2019 02:48
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yronic heroism posted:Throw in a Nunes impeachment As much as I think everyone would want him gone, Nunes isn't going anywhere. See only Democrats have shame, ethics and morals. A perfect example is Katie Hill was effectively revenge porn/slut shamed out of her seat and Steve King is still a member on Congress. Honestly why every Democratic member of the House doesn't beat them over the head with that on a daily basis is beyond me.
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Nov 24, 2019 07:54
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This is more than likely the next step in whatever Russia's plan is. Those two Shreks obviously are not the masterminds here. They likely have had support and funding from Russia. Lev is also not going to flip unless he was told to. If I had to guess they are going to air everything that has been done and show that all of the GOP is currently in cahoots with Russia. The reasoning is likely two fold, they can read the tea leaves and can tell that they are sunk in the upcoming elections and to sow more distrust and dissension in the West. If all those conspiracy minded MAGA heads get told that dear leader and all of his henchmen were actually taking orders from Russia it would cause them to distrust all government and news going forward. 20-30% of the population angry, paranoid and distrusting is a powderkeg waiting to explode. Chaos in America would be exactly what Russia and China would want to further their goals. It's a lot harder to fight them when theoretically you would be fighting an insurgency at home.
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Nov 25, 2019 05:22
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Ehud posted:I wish Nadler was a little better at dealing with the bullshit that the republicans are trying to pull. Schiff was great at shutting stuff down immediately. Nadler seems a little more prone to getting flustered. Yeah. Schiff took no poo poo. Nadler is like the substitute that you have zero respect for because you know they can’t do poo poo.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:Yes, and about halfway through the hearing, after she thoroughly and effortlessly shredded all Republican bullshit, they just stopped talking to her. Yeah the worst thing was not having her by herself and force them to interact with her.
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Fister Roboto posted:lmao of course not Yeah Nadler is not up to this task.
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actionjackson posted:I assume he must have some dirt on other Fox News people to be able to say this on air and not lose his job No he is one of their token people who actually says some truthful things so they can go “Look see we are actually fair and balanced!” It’s all bullshit.
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I am quite surprised that Fox hasn’t turned on Trump yet. Paul Ryan, who is a garbage human being but is no fan of Trump, took over as one of the heads of Fox News awhile back. We all know he has an axe to grind with him. We all know Fox is going to turn on him at some point, it is just when.
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nine-gear crow posted:If anything that kind of shows how incompetent/inconsequential/cowardly Paul Ryan is that he’s so far failed to fire a single shot at Trump from what should be a consequence-free fortress position. The only thing I can think of is that he is waiting for the right moment to cause the most amount of pain for him. I would have thought turning on him during impeachment would be it but I can see him being petty enough to not want to give a “win” to the Democrats. Likely it will happen during the end of the campaign. No doubt Fox has some dirt on him that they can just happen to pull out, use that is the “final straw” that causes the GOP to turn on him. If the bullshit hose turns off then he will be in serious trouble. Trump can lose, the GOP will take some serious hits but Ryan can be the kingmaker and ringleader of the new GOP which I am certain is what he is wanting.
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SalTheBard posted:Gaetz looked hosed up. Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
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Nadler is at least trying to get a handle on things today. Likely too little too late.
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ManBoyChef posted:Gaetz really bothers the hell out of me. He is such an entitled little bastard. His father was heavily in Florida politics for decades and basically engineered for him to get the seat. He has several DUI stops that have magically disappeared over the years. From talking to people who grew up around him there is a lot of things that he has done that got swept under the rug because of his daddy. Also it is pretty much an open secret that he has a big drug and alcohol problem.
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Ehud posted:STOP UNCOVERING OUR CRIMES!!! WE’LL DO IT TO YOU! if you know know there were any....
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Retro42 posted:If it makes anyone feel better, MSNBC cut off live coverage right as Gaetz time started. Cut off Gaetz for Jim Comey. If that isn't a "gently caress you" I don't know what is.
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eke out posted:because they're incredibly butthurt that Devin Nunes got caught? and, apparently, they think that someone "gave an order" to figure out who was associated with what phone number, which is absolutely baffling That's because in the Conservative mind think someone has to order to do things like this, because in their world none of them do anything like this without orders. It's like any organization that has questionable morals or inner workings. You are encouraged to not dig into anything and to mind your own business. Also one would think they want to give some payback for taking out one of theirs.
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Trump is going to insist on it being a circus. He is not content at just getting away with it, he needs to make it a spectacle to not only soothe his own ego but to try and put shade on his opponents, real or imagined. The GOP Senate is ultimately going to be forced into doing it since if they don't the Fanta Menace will unload on all of them which will ultimately do them all more harm with their chances of re-election. Now doing the circus and then forcing a vote is going to cost them in the end as well and everyone in the GOP is well aware except for Trump. The idiot thinks that this is going to help him in some way. I honestly would not be surprised if he doesn't testify, since in his mind everyone else is wrong.
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bird food bathtub posted:Piss Baby would have loving none of that. Anyone that didn't gratuitously slob his knob while chanting "Perfect phone call, read the transcript, witch hunt!" was branded a heretic and cast into the wilderness via tweet. That is the one thing I have never understood about the GOP, but really anyone who Trump rails against on Twitter. I'd fight back, make fun of him and use his many weak points against him. The guy obviously hates being ridiculed. Remember how out of sorts he got against Rosie loving O'Donnell would start to gently caress with him? The problem is she always treated him seriously, instead of the joke he is. If someone would treat him like a joke it would smother his fragile ego.
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1glitch0 posted:I don't know about that, but I was 18 when the Clinton thing was going on and everyone at school and at my professional level job were all saying, "This is stupid, right? It was a goddamn blowjob." Clinton was wildly popular and literally no one I knew during that time cared at all and thought the entire thing was stupid. I didn't watch the day to day hearing back then like I do now, but the basic consensus was it was very dumb. It being stupid and petty was the general conscious at the time. Granted the Right Wing Media Echo Chamber™ was still in it's infancy at that time. You had Rush and some lesser known AM radio idiots but that was the extent of it. A few years later Fox had become the machine it became. A big reason for that happening is actually Turner being bought by AOL-Timer/Warner. Without Ted Turner backing CNN and in turn Headline News as well both channels went from being effectively public service stations bringing straight news to needing to get big ratings and make money. Hence the race to the bottom in terms of news coverage and the start of the 24 hour news cycle. Fox got their winning strategy early, which everyone else followed with their own spin, and used that advantage to turn a generation of people into mindless, brainwashed idiots. Gore not wanting to have Clinton campaign for him was a calculated risked. I have read a lot of interviews about the thinking behind it. The impeachment actually wasn't the biggest reason why he didn't have him stump for him, although it was part of the reasoning. The biggest reasoning was they felt that Clinton would overshadow Gore, which they were likely right. It is also why Hillary tried to avoid having Obama campaign for her as well, again a mistake in hindsight. We would be in a VERY different world if Ted Turner had not sold Turner. It is one of the major turning points in all media and will be looked at by historians as much more important than we realize now.
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1glitch0 posted:Everything I've read at the time said that the primary reason for Gore turning on Clinton was because he was kept in the dark about the Lewinsky stuff and was simply bitter about it. I could be wrong, tho. There was a bit of that but from interviews with the people running the campaign that was an easier thing to say publicly than saying that Gore was so easily overshadowed. It makes sense really. Granted Gore made a ton of boneheaded moves during that race. Lieberman being the VP just for starters alienated a lot of people on the left that voted for Nader which effectively lost the election for him. Also him not declaring victory that night and allowing Bush and the GOP to lay the groundwork to take the election was also stupid. Ted Turner, for his faults and he has had a few, generally has done more good for the United States than most people over the last 40 years. It is an utter shame what happened to almost all of his life's work and how badly it was all handled. His diagnosis recently is an even sadder thing.
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LegionAreI posted:Oh he definitely would have been hosed if he smacked them down about it, it's more that the rule is completely stupid in the first place and has no purpose other than to let people grandstand. Which means nobody is ever going to change it because if there's one thing all politicians can agree on, it's that grandstanding is wonderful. Schiff would be the best one to run the trial. Swalwell is great but he is best used as an assassin role where you bring him out to kill something dead. Basically he does what Gym Jordan and Gaetz are supposed to be doing if they weren't utterly incompetent. Really the best thing for the Democrats to do is just be bored with the GOP's huff and puffs since if you engage that becomes the story. There will be more than enough fireworks in the Senate despite what Moscow Mitch wants.
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