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I haven't playtested this mod, but when developing a mod for my own megacampaign such things would lead to two wars: one where we're with the allies against Marathi, and one where we're with Marathi against the allies. If that seems confusing and weird...yes.
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Yeah if I understand hoi4's war system correctly: even though it says in the war screen that everyone is in the same war, if you are not part of the same alliance they're functionally discrete wars in the code that are being compiled into a single screen for convenience. In a world where Marathas takes the RRP into the Jimao war we would appear on the Jimao war screen on the same side as the Allies. If we then also go to war with the Allies the Jimao war would go back to just being Allies-WPO and there would be two new war screens, one for the RRP-WPO war and one for the RRP-Allies war.
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Feb 17, 2023 22:24
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Reminder that voting closes at midnight EST.
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Feb 18, 2023 05:22
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 war is good because it creates more opportunities for yuri moments The Scrappy Firebrand Natty Ninefingers jalapeno_dude Akratic Method Crazycryodude ThatBasqueGuy stumblebum Pacho habeasdorkus karmicknight Grizzwold kirsus AriadneThread Hellioning Communist Zombie Night10194 e-dt TheMaskedReader paragon1 420 Gank Mid AJ_Impy edipil megane ZiegeDame Jeoh Skavenlord Kangxi thatbastardken TheMaskedReader Rubix Squid TheFlyingLlama idhrendur RabidWeasel GunnerJ silentsnack punched my v-card at camp Livewire42 mcclay Slightly Lions Total: 38  "How long has she been in power, now, ten, twelve years? How many Foreign Service people have we spoken to. Hungarian, Byzantine, whoever. We don't have a clue what's going on in her head, and now look at what she is asking us to do-" The Charismatic Idealist QuoProQuid SirPhoebos Redeye Flight Technowolf chrome line Yuiiut Thordain Coward tatankatonk NewMars Sanzh Angry Salami VideoWitch Polgas Josef bugman Soup du Jour Freudian Anzrel Mr.Morgenstern Lynneth LJN92 Dr_Gee Shogeton Bloody Pom wiegieman Tulip Morrow Luhood NeverHelm MatchaZed Total: 30 Somewhere in Lithuania, a phone rings in Rishma Sharqi's command post. She picks up the phone. She smiles, sphinx-like. Somewhere in Paris, a teletext printer begins tapping out syllables, fast as machine-gun fire. A Deuxième Bureau officer tears off the page and skims it. He goes white as a sheet. Somewhere in Byzantion, a Japanese diplomat has started drinking at ten in the morning. She isn't sure whether she should be celebrating or despairing-- or, somehow, both-- all she knows is that the drama playing out in the capitals and battlefields of Europe is, potentially, a critical turning point in her own nation's concerns. Empress Theonora fucked around with this message at 08:33 on Feb 19, 2023 |
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Feb 18, 2023 19:19
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Wonderful. Hopefully this will ensure there is no opportunity for a slide into the lie of peaceful co-existance once the fascist dogs are done with.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:37
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I look forward to a swift resolution of the Imperial war as Comrade Sharqi launches half a dozen simultaneous naval assaults to bring these dogs to heel
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Feb 18, 2023 20:47
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I cannot wait for the destruction of the fascist pigs, so we can also destroy the capitalist, liberal, and not-sufficiently-communist pigs.
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Feb 18, 2023 20:54
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Hmm, now I feel not so great about my exhortations.
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Feb 18, 2023 23:58
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Open the blood gates
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Feb 19, 2023 00:34
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We are going to get SO many yuri moments, guys.
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Feb 19, 2023 01:02
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Oh well, I tried.
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Feb 19, 2023 01:32
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The French are in fear. All is right in the world. Red or Dead, comrades! Red or Dead!
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Feb 19, 2023 02:12
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The Fash are not happy about this. Good sign.
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Feb 19, 2023 02:16
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Coward posted:To be honest, I just voted the opposite of what I assumed everyone else would vote for. Was closer than I expected!
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Feb 19, 2023 07:18
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the idealist option was ahead in the count in the middle of polling, but after enough people changed sides, the firebrand option won out
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gently caress missed the vote. I really hope we don't get dragged into a war with the Allies.
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I can imagine a world where the Red Rose Pact and Allies aren't trying to exterminate each other. I can't imagine one where that's true for the Ming and the Red Rose Pact.
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habeasdorkus posted:I can imagine a world where the Red Rose Pact and Allies aren't trying to exterminate each other. I can't imagine one where that's true for the Ming and the Red Rose Pact. The toiling workers of the world must be liberated, comrade, whether they strain under liberalism or oligarchy.
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Feb 20, 2023 23:12
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Also missed the vote but I would've been another vote in favor of Sharqi-Sharqi-Sharqiist thought so, praise be to she who leads the world out of its chains.
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I've been thinking about how the internal politics of the Byzantine Commune actually work. It seems to be structured like a parliamentary democracy, but with Marxism instead of Liberalism as its inviolable ideology. Liberal parties (represented in HOI as "Artemis" in the political pie chart) are definitely tolerated to an extent, but there's no way they can actually implement liberal reforms effectively. The end of Vicky the elections were basically a revolving door between Labour and Irenicists with Athens Commune monopolizing the second tier on its own, whereas here in HOI it seems to be implied that Athens Commune has taken primacy for the war. If this is the case, I think some generalizations can be pulled for Byzantine politics. I'm thinking that the Labour and the Irenicists might appear to be moderate socialists, I think it might be more appropriate to think of them as comfortable socialists. Wherever communist politics are essentially unassailable, the "pink" parties thrive on being more experimental and permissive in the execution of communist ideology. But where communism itself can be considered to be under threat or less stable, the Athens Commune and related radical parties step up their militancy and interference against non/anti-communist movements. Where liberals actually win seats, I see the hardliner communists organizing constant marches, sit-ins, shut downs, and sabotages to keep said liberal offices cowed and under control. When the movement as a whole is under threat from fascism, the country pushes the radical communists to the forefront to secure itself. Just as liberal republics' rights and politics are always limited against social relations based on property and bourgeois rights, the Exteberrian republics' rights and politics are always limited against social relations based on material dialectics and proletarian rights. This idea even extends into the typical foreign policy of the Commune, and by extension the RRP. While the Exteberrians prefer to reach a situation where they can have elections between comfortable socialist parties, they are staunch allies and protectors of even the most unitary Müllerist regime against external ideological enemies. Solidarity and proletarian class dictatorship trumps preference for nominal electoralism, going all the way back to the Commune's support and subsidization of Müllerist NGF. Anyways those are some of the thoughts I've had about the Byzantine's attempts at rectifying workers' democracy with proletarian class dictatorship. I was wondering if Theo or any of the secondary authors have their own ideas of how they think the politics of the Commune might look.
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I missed the vote but my main concern with Marathas joining is the Imperial War is already less "epic final showdown" and more "swatting a particularly persistent fly," and the full force of the Marathi Army storming into Europe is going to make it even more of an anticlimax, assuming the war isn't already over before they even get here. Also the "once we're done with the fash, the libs are next" talk has made me a bit uncomfortable :V stumblebum posted:I've been thinking about how the internal politics of the Byzantine Commune actually work. It seems to be structured like a parliamentary democracy, but with Marxism instead of Liberalism as its inviolable ideology. Liberal parties (represented in HOI as "Artemis" in the political pie chart) are definitely tolerated to an extent, but there's no way they can actually implement liberal reforms effectively. I definitely look forwards to Nora weighing in on this! It's been long enough that I don't remember how I imagined things working when I did my part of the mod, however meagre - I think I had a hard time visualising what a "communal republic" looked like and generally treated it like a regular parliamentary democracy when writing events. Like, say, the Ekklesia event tree, which... hasn't exactly aged well as of 2021 
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Feb 26, 2023 05:42
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Flesnolk posted:I missed the vote but my main concern with Marathas joining is the Imperial War is already less "epic final showdown" and more "swatting a particularly persistent fly," and the full force of the Marathi Army storming into Europe is going to make it even more of an anticlimax. The real battle has always been for the soul of Byzantium. (also the AI is just not that good, and a half-competent player will nearly always thrash it, so just play along with the dramatic tension.)
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I know that too well lol, short of asking Nora to play on the hardest difficulty or giving the WRE a frankly unreasonable amount of buffs (anytime I tweaked them at all I felt vaguely dirty) there wasn't much to be done on that front
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Feb 26, 2023 06:23
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Flesnolk posted:I missed the vote but my main concern with Marathas joining is the Imperial War is already less "epic final showdown" and more "swatting a particularly persistent fly," and the full force of the Marathi Army storming into Europe is going to make it even more of an anticlimax, assuming the war isn't already over before they even get here. At this point it seems like less of a question of "will we beat the fash" as it is "will we beat the fash before they get a working nuke" which still leaves plenty of room for narrative tension no matter how close they actually get in-game.
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Oh, it was never a question of if we would win, there was no way a WRE victory would be allowed to happen and I never wanted it to - I've only wanted them to put up a good enough fight for an interesting story, if it makes sense. But we'll see what comes in future updates, especially with the nuke stuff
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stumblebum posted:I've been thinking about how the internal politics of the Byzantine Commune actually work. It seems to be structured like a parliamentary democracy, but with Marxism instead of Liberalism as its inviolable ideology. Liberal parties (represented in HOI as "Artemis" in the political pie chart) are definitely tolerated to an extent, but there's no way they can actually implement liberal reforms effectively. I think this overlooks one of the fundamental parts of a socialist and/or communist society: namely the political integration of labour. From the factory floor to the organization of industrial sectors, no part of it is disconnected from the political system. The question is if this is parallel or directly so: namely are workers organizations part of councils or similar bodies that also direct larger policy such as a parliamentary house, do they make up these organs of state, do they operate independent of them with liaison bodies acting to coordinate policy, instead, or are they subservient to political planning bodies under a somewhat corporatist structure?
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Have we been shown the Ekklesia tree? If I had to take a stab at outlining the Commune's government I would imagine it works similar to the CSA in csm141's Kaiserreich LP. The Ekklesia is a one house body that has representatives from the constituent unions, syndicates, and coops of the Commune. The actual makeup of seats may vary, like a steelworkers union might be huge but be broken up into smaller unions and seats for better representation. Not sure if the Commune would have giant umbrella unions like the Teamsters IRL. The Tribune is the Speaker equivalent and head of state. I am assuming that the different ideologies or parties like Labour, Irenicist, Athens, Artemis etc. are coalitions like minded reps will form at the Ekklesia.
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The Ekklesia seems to have generally been portrayed as a conventional parliamentary body, with representatives from, say, Athens or Ankara, rather than Teamsters Local 1146
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Flesnolk posted:Also the "once we're done with the fash, the libs are next" talk has made me a bit uncomfortable :V The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Skavenlord fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 18:24
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turn the audio on: (right click on the video -> unmute on Firefox at least) https://i.imgur.com/iL8id8Z.mp4 link for ease of use: https://imgur.com/iL8id8Z
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This is incredible 
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The little bouncing rose on her lapel. I love it. Also jacked-as-gently caress Sharqi rules especially.
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addictive, compelling, and retroactively justifies the vote 
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Mar 1, 2023 06:26
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Look at what we would have missed out on if we voted the other way.
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Hellioning posted:Look at what we would have missed out on if we voted the other way. I'm imagining the alternate universe where we're the chads and Sharqi is coping and seething in the memes.
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Mar 1, 2023 07:14
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OK I'm on team Sharqi now, that swagger can't be beat.
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Pacho posted:turn the audio on: (right click on the video -> unmute on Firefox at least) Incredible. 
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Pacho posted:turn the audio on: (right click on the video -> unmute on Firefox at least) Ahahaha holy gently caress, best Iteration yet of an already fantastic meme. watch sharqi start a loving war (If I had been keeping up with the thread I would definitely have voted for letting her in though, bonkers to have an already proven friend offer to help much more with the greatest crisis we've ever faced and even consider turning it down)
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