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InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

owlhawk911 posted:

sure, sure, schwangin stuck bolts off with the go pedal is good advice for beginners, whatever you say boss
That'd be the "carry on" option, then.

VVVV: I'm not going to poo poo this guy's thread up about this.

InitialDave fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Dec 30, 2019

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owlhawk911
Nov 8, 2019

come chill with me, in byob

InitialDave posted:

That'd be the "carry on" option, then.

no YOU carry on :argh:

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Just got a "150$ brake pad change special" in the mail and threw it out swearing.

Once it stops raining and I can work on the car again this will all pay off in the long run right guys

owlhawk911
Nov 8, 2019

come chill with me, in byob

Smiling Jack posted:

Just got a "150$ brake pad change special" in the mail and threw it out swearing.

Once it stops raining and I can work on the car again this will all pay off in the long run right guys

yes, imo

doin your own stuff just feels good, hard to put a price on that part. and most mechanics are kinda predatory, like that flyer reads to me "pay us $150 to tell you you need at least $500 worth of brake work done", just a ploy to get you in the door

i'm from a small town and started doing all my own car work when i saw my first car back on the street 3 months after a mechanic had told me it wasn't fixable and i could either give them $350 for "diagnostic labor" and come pick it up, or let them scrap it and they would generously forgive the bill. fuckin capitalists

the more you know and more tools you have the easier stuff gets. i've got the whole crew in 90's japanese rides now, mostly imprezas, averaging ~$500 per and we have enough knowledge/gear that even stuff like engine swaps are nbd. all on gravel lots, only power tools are grinder/sawzall/drills/impact. a couple of the cars are actually even nice, i don't have a pic handy but there's a 95 toyota pickup i'm real proud of

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

What's a good resource for instructions on this poo poo aside from YouTube videos? The manuals assume a level of competence I'm not at yet. Haynes or something?

I got stuck at "remove air filter compartment" because there's no way I can get to some of the bolts.

Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Dec 30, 2019

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Smiling Jack posted:

What's a good resource for instructions on this poo poo aside from YouTube videos? The manuals assume a level of competence I'm not at yet. Haynes or something?

I got stuck at "remove air filter compartment" because there's no way I can get to some of the bolts.

Here in AI has always worked for me. Take pictures, describe what you are looking at as well as you can. Remember terminology can change between manufacturers, knowing what you're looking at does is more important than what it is called.

By air filter compartment, you mean where the engine air filter goes or the interior/cabin air filter?

owlhawk911
Nov 8, 2019

come chill with me, in byob

youtube videos and forum posts are where it's at man. this is probably one of the best for general stuff, but there are manufacturer/model specific forums full of One Weird Tricks to deal with specific annoying stuff on different cars. honestly older stuff is usually better documented, because more people have had access to it for longer

Honda-Tech CRV section:
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-cr-v-element-156/
CRV Owner's Club
https://www.crvownersclub.com/forums/

i really wanted to find you a perfect link to a specific guide, but didn't see one in 5 mins :shrug: lot of guides and stuff in that second link though

and getting terms right helps a *lot* with searching stuff up. it sounds like you're under the hood not in the car so try "air intake" or "airbox" cause you'll find a lot of stuff about the cabin air filter if your terms are that vauge

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

I'm under the hood. The plastic box that holds the engine air filter needs to be removed to access the EVAP part I need to get at. Will post pictures later.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
Is the airbox still all together with the air filter in it?

You'll most likely need to unclip the upper half from the lower half (it's probably clips, though some designs use screws), and remove it totally in order to get enough access to remove the lower half that's bolted in.

Generally means disconnecting the tube/trunking that goes to the engine intake as well - probably best disconnecting it at the intake end rather than the airbox end, but it depends how it's held together.

If there's any sensors integrated into the airbox or trunking they should just unplug.

Lower half likely has a couple of bolts securing it, but also with an intake pipe that takes air from outside the engine bay. The latter may unclip fromt he airbox, or it may need to come out with it.

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

https://www.hondapartsnow.com/genui...=air-cleaner,,1

it looks like it's held on with little rubber nubs. yank on it.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.



There's at least two bolts on this thing I had trouble getting to the back one. Will try again Weds.

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

This shows how to get it out, the guy has a really long socket extension, I don't know how long you actually need. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnxj612rij0

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

taqueso posted:

This shows how to get it out, the guy has a really long socket extension, I don't know how long you actually need. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnxj612rij0

What search terms did you use because ffs I was looking all over for this video

Edit: this air box is in a different spot than my 2011 Honda

Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Dec 31, 2019

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

I had a terrible time finding a 2011 video but then I saw a post that said 200something through 201something were the same. So my bad on that. Anyway it should be pretty similar, take a picture of the bolt you can't reach.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
2011 is a changeover year, which is always a loving nightmare hunting stuff down after the fact due to the whole registration year vs model year thing.

OP, post a good photo looking down on your engine bay and we'll try to help you.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

At work right now, will spend 2020 doing car poo poo.

Got a $60 corded impact tool / socket set at harbor freight get hosed stuck lugnuts.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

InitialDave posted:

2011 is a changeover year, which is always a loving nightmare hunting stuff down after the fact due to the whole registration year vs model year thing.

Ah gently caress, that didn't occur to me time to check the vin or something I guess?

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Smiling Jack posted:

Ah gently caress, that didn't occur to me time to check the vin or something I guess?
TBH just check Wikipedia and see which one looks right.

If the rear side window for the cargo area curves down to a flat bottom, it's "up to 2011", if it has a kick up at the back of the window, it's "from 2011".

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

Smiling Jack posted:

Ah gently caress, that didn't occur to me time to check the vin or something I guess?

As previously mentioned, your vehicle will have some weird transitional poo poo going on.

On a more philosophical note: think about learning to work on your own vehicle in context of... your own work. Let's say your job has a lot of bullshit procedure to get important things done. Gotta do it to get where you need to go, otherwise you'll paint yourself into a corner. That's kinda like taking the entire air-box/intake off to reach anything on the top of the engine. It becomes second nature to think, "Okay, seems easy enough once I get everything out of the way". Patience and planning goes very far if you are working for yourself. Doing just front brakes, for instance, pays for itself vs. taking it to a shop. Now you have the know-how and tools to get not only that job done, but other things as well. Paying yourself all the way.

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




Smiling Jack posted:

At work right now, will spend 2020 doing car poo poo.

Got a $60 corded impact tool / socket set at harbor freight get hosed stuck lugnuts.

Don't be surprised when it still won't get the nuts off.

Seriously, use a long metal pipe from your jack or pick up a pipe at home depot. Sometimes you just need extra leverage (length of pipe) to bust some stuff off. And then stand on a 4' pipe, as well. :v: Torque is a measure of distance x force, so 4' pipe + goon lbf is going to be a lot more torque than the 200ish ft-lb of whatever cheap wrench you bought. Tire shop goons rarely use torque wrenches for lugs, just an air gun. Get a torque wrench instead of the impact, IMO. The ones are HF are decent and cheap.

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Anywhere with salt will eventually eat out the wiring harness to the fuel tank evap parts. It happens less on some cars, but some cars have a really dumb routing that exposes the connectors directly to it.

Context is important here. For hosed wiring you'll generally see circuit DTCs ("high" or "low" voltage) before you see these performance codes. Guessing he has a hole in one of the lines or something disconnected entirely.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.



will report back Saturday

randomidiot
May 12, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 11 years!)

Can vouch for those sockets holding up for DIY stuff pretty well, no clue on the impact tho (I wouldn't expect it to last long, given HF's track record with power tools). The DIY shop I use even has mostly HF sockets (the speciality stuff is mostly Snap On, I think their air tools are mostly HF).

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




HF impact sockets are fine, at least the chromoly ones that I've been using forever. I ruined one of them using it to beat the poo poo out of a wheel bearing, but I can't blame the socket for that.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

So, shits been going on but:

Still didn't manage to replace the EVAP thingy, however I did replace the air filter while I was under there and also managed to disconnect and reconnect the lines to the EVAP thingy while trying to get it off without removing the air filter box and ... The check engine light went off and hasn't come back on since... So...

Brake still doing intermittent squeaky thing so gonna replace the pads soon anyway but yay no check engine light?

everdave
Nov 14, 2005
If you are not using 20% off on every item at Harbor Freight and getting a free LED light with each item (or multimeter or batteries or a tarp during good months) you are doing it wrong.

Get a rubber mallet. They are cheap and you can "hit" the ratchet or breaker bar to knock the lug nuts off.

First thing (and I know you probably already tried this) in this day and age is google "how to do X on Y" and see if there is a youtube video.

If you have some string or weedeater string or whatever that is good to tie the calipers up out of the way when doing brakes. Remember to "grease" the parts you are supposed to, you can just buy a little $1 packet of it at the parts counter.

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
A deadblow mallet might be better than a rubber one. They're hollow and filled with steel or lead shot, with a plastic/rubber outer.

Tend to have more weight than a rubber mallet, and don't bounce when you hit stuff.

Sgt Fox
Dec 21, 2004

It's the buzzer I love the most. Makes me feel alive. Makes the V8's dead.
Yep, a deadblow works great.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Update: I have not been able to remove a single lug nut even with the impact wrench.

stone soup
Jul 8, 2004
You need leverage.

Suburban Dad posted:

Don't be surprised when it still won't get the nuts off.

Seriously, use a long metal pipe from your jack or pick up a pipe at home depot. Sometimes you just need extra leverage (length of pipe) to bust some stuff off.

Use a 1/2" drive, but post the results if try 3/8" anyways.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Off to get a three foot pipe from home depot

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

these loving things have already defeated a 25 inch breaker bar

Suburban Dad
Jan 10, 2007


Well what's attached to a leash that it made itself?
The punchline is the way that you've been fuckin' yourself




You've hopefully now learned why many tire shops and otherwise suck when it comes to lug torque.

get a loving pipe

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

might get a five foot pipe

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?
There is literally no pipe that is too long in this scenario, so go nuts.

One helpful trick AI taught me a billion years ago is to prop a jack under the head of the socket wrench, so as you're wailing and twisting on it the socket & wrench are being supported and held square rather than trying to twist off of the nut.

*E* I did once break the crank bolt on a Honda bike engine at uni after the TA swore up and down it was a left hand thread, and that is the extent of my Honda wrenching experience, so maybe take my pipe advice with caution. :v:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.
If it's that tight, be aware you may well shear the head of the breaker bar.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

InitialDave posted:

If it's that tight, be aware you may well shear the head of the breaker bar.

Well, we are gonna find out in a few. Buying the pipe now.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Lugnuts off. Wheel stuck.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?
Did you buy that deadblow hammer yet? :madmax:

InitialDave
Jun 14, 2007

I Want To Believe.

Smiling Jack posted:

Lugnuts off. Wheel stuck.
Corrosion around the centre bore.

Brute force usually works.

Put a little copper grease or similar on the centre spigot when refitting.

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Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Tires off, brake things appear to be fused to discs

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