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I'm a weird amalgamation of all of them. Mostly pulling from marxist-autonomism (militant bottom-up direct action for short term victories, squatting, thoughts on affective labor) and lenin (requirement of a vanguard movement for long term revolutionary action, imperialism)
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Bedshaped posted:tf when you finally finish reading marx I'm reading a Rand novel right now and it mostly resembles a teenager's wank fantasy.
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apropos to nothing posted:don’t worry about what kind of whatever you are, find the people who are doing the work of organizing and join them and do the work and you’re whatever that is. I came to the thread to say this and am pleased to be beaten to the punch At this stage of the left's development/reformation, getting too invested in platforms and subdivisions of ideologies is at best intellectual masturbation and at worst cargo cult mentality and liberal idealism beside. The purity of your soul in the abstract is useless to the struggle, only your engagement in struggle matters.
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I'm the gently caress the world type.
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i'm a level 6 maoist and a level 5 hoxhaist, with a 1 level dip in trotskyist
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BgRdMchne posted:(at least I was never a Posadist, or a Hoxhaist) wow lookat this scrub over here
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the only valid form of praxis is sewing linen coats for dolphins
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I'm the kind who hates those that complain about opportunists/revisionists/or whatever when they're clearly not doing anything either. Or when they are doing something, it's meaningless and masterbatory. I don't care what you are just do something. Or at least don't poo poo on those doing things themselves for not 100% following your God given plan. We can argue about all this bullshit later. BrokenGameboy has issued a correction as of 14:37 on Dec 25, 2019 |
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read Marx, don't have to read capital but at least read the communist manifesto and socialism utopian and scientific, they're both short https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1880/soc-utop/index.htm everyone saying it doesn't matter what your ideology is is only half right, it is very easy to fall into liberalism if you don't know the basics, my personal theory to this is because anarchism, which is basically a form of liberalism, is inherently very appealing to Americans who have been indoctrinated to worship individualism and reject collectivism their entire life
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it doesn’t matter what your ideology is because if it comes from reading books then it’s not very materialist. read books but read books which inform your actions and organizing. people become revolutionaries from engaging in class struggle not from reading about it from outside. all the folks who formed the backbone of the early cpusa were active in the IWW or the spusa beforehand. ideas like democratic centralism and the independence of the working class and all that come about from observing how actual struggle plays out. somebody who just reads about what democratic centralism is for the first time is just gonna treat it like an idea, somebody who goes to meetings and engages in the trade union movement who learns about it will immediate understand why it’s important and why it works.
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What kind of thread is this? A bad one.
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basically in our place and time right now, people who have anticapitalist politics generally seem a lot more eager to engage in debates around ideas in the abstract. they wanna argue about how stalin is good or why liberals are bad cause mao said so in a book they haven’t read but aren’t willing to talk about how to win universal healthcare using revolutionary politics and organizing. like use revolutionary ideas to win victories here and now. people argue endlessly about whether socialists should run candidates for example but it’s like ok if you can’t get a single house rep elected on an independent socialist political line then how are you going to convince even more people around the entire country to rise up and completely overthrow capitalism? if you can’t organize your workplace into a union then why should anyone else listen to your ideas about how the entirety of society should be run? what work is in front of you right now look at it and put revolutionary ideas into achieving those concrete tasks
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which btw that has a lot more to do with why Im antistalinist than anything trotsky or anyone else ever write. Stalin liquidated pretty much everyone responsible for the Bolshevik revolution. well, I’m a Bolshevik right now and I would like to not be murdered or imprisoned after a revolution by other Bolsheviks.
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apropos to nothing posted:which btw that has a lot more to do with why Im antistalinist than anything trotsky or anyone else ever write. Stalin liquidated pretty much everyone responsible for the Bolshevik revolution. well, I’m a Bolshevik right now and I would like to not be murdered or imprisoned after a revolution by other Bolsheviks.
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Ace of Baes posted:read Marx, don't have to read capital but at least read the communist manifesto and socialism utopian and scientific, they're both short wouldn’t be an ideology discussion without people talking poo poo about anarchism (a good ideology)
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kingcobweb posted:wouldn’t be an ideology discussion without people talking poo poo about anarchism (a good ideology) it's fine if you think liberalism and anarchism are "good", most people do, the average American loves the idea of a society of "free" individuals who pursue whatever their heart desires, and in a Utopian world I might even agree with them
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Doesn't matter what kind of Marxist or socialist you are if you continue to have an insignificant impact on people's lives. And it doesn't matter if it worked historically unless it works now.
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Ace of Baes posted:it's fine if you think liberalism and anarchism are "good", most people do, the average American loves the idea of a society of "free" individuals who pursue whatever their heart desires, and in a Utopian world I might even agree with them your framing of anarchism as individualist rather than collectivist doesn’t have anything to do with the left-anarchist ideas that the anarchism-sympathetic people here believe in
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My experience of anarchists in an organizing capacity is that they are generally poor collaborators who are disinterested in a broader democratic consensus in coalition work when it doesn't align with their own particular designs. Seems like if there's anything an anarchist can't abide, it's being told what to do, irrespective of the who and the why. This is why I generally regard anyone claiming to be an anarchist as unreliable and undisciplined unless they demonstrate otherwise
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I'll be OK with anarchism the moment that a single anarchist manages to give a satisfactory explanation for how they plan to beat the inevitable counterrevolution and/or foreign intervention.
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Mr. Lobe posted:My experience of anarchists in an organizing capacity is that they are generally poor collaborators who are disinterested in a broader democratic consensus in coalition work when it doesn't align with their own particular designs. Seems like if there's anything an anarchist can't abide, it's being told what to do, irrespective of the who and the why. This is why I generally regard anyone claiming to be an anarchist as unreliable and undisciplined unless they demonstrate otherwise yeah in my experience they often disdain any kind of political organizing in like a structured party form even if it’s anti capitalist or left wing and then end up begrudgingly supporting democrats who are a capitalist party and saying how much they hate them but also refusing to help socialists who try to build independent parties because they’re no better than democrats who they also hate but who they also continue to vote for and volunteer for
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this forum is full of baby tankies who are these anarchists begrudgingly volunteering for succdems lol. Come to Portland and bring your red star hat nerds
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"Come to Portland" might be the least threatening internet badass phrase ever uttered
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In my experience and research, Anarchists and Marxists agree on 99% of everything, but just pretend that they don't. The worst in my experience being that they both mean different things when they use the word "state".
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BrokenGameboy posted:In my experience and research, Anarchists and Marxists agree on 99% of everything, but just pretend that they don't. The worst in my experience being that they both mean different things when they use the word "state". The concept of a highly centralized state (i.e Leninism) may be a slight difference between the two...
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I’m a liberal leftist
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A Buttery Pastry posted:This is reactionary thinking.
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I have no confidence that people are capable of organizing themselves in a just way but i would really like to kill the rich because they are all horrible monsters. If we can kill the rich then whatever happens next i don't really give a gently caress.
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I’m more of an Assman myself, but I see the merits of Thighs and Titties.
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Hatebag posted:I have no confidence that people are capable of organizing themselves in a just way but i would really like to kill the rich because they are all horrible monsters. If we can kill the rich then whatever happens next i don't really give a gently caress. good username/post synergy
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I'm sort of mutualist. I believe a free market of competing firms is the best economic system but those firms should be worker-owned. Also a lot of instances of capital, like rentiering, usury and intellectual property all take more effort to maintain societally than allowing their more natural alternatives like use-ownership of real estate and free data. I see capitalism as a form of anti-meritocratic economic inertia because of its tendency toward monopoly, and I think it's simply more efficient to reduce that by being socialist than to mitigate it indirectly with social democratic reforms in short I've got a centrist mindset but reached economic conclusions that are considered leftist
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I’ve always used the term socialist simply to differentiate myself from liberals, which I think most leftists do As for which “kind” of leftism I think best works in application it’s definitely Leninism. I like Maoism’s organizational ethos more tho
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antinatalist leftist luxury space communism until we all age out and leave this plane of existence behind
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DoubleDonut posted:I'm a sorry art cop, OP
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A weirdo religious one.
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I'm a dentonist
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Jose posted:I'm a dentonist what a shame
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Jose posted:I'm a dentonist Astonishing, someone who actually played invisible war
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Mr. Lobe posted:Astonishing, someone who actually played invisible war invisible war ruled 
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How many of you are the bearded middle-aged guy sitting across from me at the library, reading a book about Stalin and occasionally hrmming thoughtfully
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