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don’t worry about what kind of whatever you are, find the people who are doing the work of organizing and join them and do the work and you’re whatever that is.
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it doesn’t matter what your ideology is because if it comes from reading books then it’s not very materialist. read books but read books which inform your actions and organizing. people become revolutionaries from engaging in class struggle not from reading about it from outside. all the folks who formed the backbone of the early cpusa were active in the IWW or the spusa beforehand. ideas like democratic centralism and the independence of the working class and all that come about from observing how actual struggle plays out. somebody who just reads about what democratic centralism is for the first time is just gonna treat it like an idea, somebody who goes to meetings and engages in the trade union movement who learns about it will immediate understand why it’s important and why it works.
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Dec 25, 2019 17:28
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basically in our place and time right now, people who have anticapitalist politics generally seem a lot more eager to engage in debates around ideas in the abstract. they wanna argue about how stalin is good or why liberals are bad cause mao said so in a book they haven’t read but aren’t willing to talk about how to win universal healthcare using revolutionary politics and organizing. like use revolutionary ideas to win victories here and now. people argue endlessly about whether socialists should run candidates for example but it’s like ok if you can’t get a single house rep elected on an independent socialist political line then how are you going to convince even more people around the entire country to rise up and completely overthrow capitalism? if you can’t organize your workplace into a union then why should anyone else listen to your ideas about how the entirety of society should be run? what work is in front of you right now look at it and put revolutionary ideas into achieving those concrete tasks
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Dec 25, 2019 17:34
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which btw that has a lot more to do with why Im antistalinist than anything trotsky or anyone else ever write. Stalin liquidated pretty much everyone responsible for the Bolshevik revolution. well, I’m a Bolshevik right now and I would like to not be murdered or imprisoned after a revolution by other Bolsheviks.
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Dec 25, 2019 17:37
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Mr. Lobe posted:My experience of anarchists in an organizing capacity is that they are generally poor collaborators who are disinterested in a broader democratic consensus in coalition work when it doesn't align with their own particular designs. Seems like if there's anything an anarchist can't abide, it's being told what to do, irrespective of the who and the why. This is why I generally regard anyone claiming to be an anarchist as unreliable and undisciplined unless they demonstrate otherwise yeah in my experience they often disdain any kind of political organizing in like a structured party form even if it’s anti capitalist or left wing and then end up begrudgingly supporting democrats who are a capitalist party and saying how much they hate them but also refusing to help socialists who try to build independent parties because they’re no better than democrats who they also hate but who they also continue to vote for and volunteer for
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Dec 26, 2019 01:05
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Autism Sneaks posted:that whole post is lmao but this made me hoot i mean, if youre not looking to the bolsheviks as a blueprint for how to organize a revolutionary party then i dont really know what youre doing. just like the bolsheviks identified as jacobins in their day because they followed the model laid down by the revolutionaries who had succeeded before them
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Dec 28, 2019 02:19
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HorseLord posted:any actual understanding of how the Bolsheviks thought would teach you that there is no blueprint lol yeah i mean actually there is for some basic things like making contacts with people, writing and distributing literature, holding meetings, etc.
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Dec 28, 2019 15:28
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Honest Thief posted:how you do that though? finding people doing work where are you at? don’t have to say if you don’t want or could give a huge area. the reality is though joining an org or party should be a way to make yourself better at being an organizer. I didn’t live in Seattle when I joined socialist alternative but heard about them through what they did in Seattle back in like 2013. people from all around the country helped me learn how to be an organizer where I live. if you live in Boise Idaho but theres an organization where the closest presence is in in San Diego but there’s people that are willing to talk to you once every week or two over the phone and give you resources to be more involved and active in class struggle then the distance doesn’t matter. ultimately you will need to organize with people physically close to you but sometimes learning from people very far away is how you begin to do it with people close to you, especially if you’re in a place where there isn’t any socialist organization present or doing anything or where there’s little to no active union presence
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Dec 30, 2019 21:26
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Honest Thief posted:This is good advice, but I'm in Europe, Lisbon to be more precise, but it's still useful. My biggest hurdle though was overcoming the stigma of being seen (? lack of a better word) there's a lot of cultural heritage to not make big waves, even today, because of our late dictatorship. People just have the habit of keeping to themselves and not get involved. yeah it can be tough when people have been propagandized against the ideas like that. there are parties and orgs in portugal though. even if none of them seem to be doing the work you think is necessary there are international groups and parties all over europe (too many actually lol). you could try looking into some of their politics and seeing if any of them feel like a good fit. organizing is hard and its not a straightforward thing to do like if you do x then you get y result. sometimes just talking to people you know around you and even just shifting their opinion a few degrees closer to the left can have a huge impact long term
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Dec 31, 2019 23:14
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