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The starfleet model of Military production is that ships are practically free, crewmen a bit pricey, officers expensive and teachers irreplaceable.
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TheCenturion posted:Sybok was an excellent example of an adversary that isn't a) a cartoon villain, b) not a galaxy-ending threat, but c) also high-stakes for the antagonists themselves. Why would Uhura or Scotty even need to know? Kirk didn't know hardly anything about Spock's friendship with Pike, so they could talk about it totally fine. "My father's other son and I have a... difficult relationship, Chris..."
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Apr 17, 2024 00:26
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Thranguy posted:The starfleet model of Military production is that ships are practically free, crewmen a bit pricey, officers expensive and teachers irreplaceable. Pretty much. Because they're pretty similar fictional utopias philosophically I've always assumed the Federation would do what The Culture did and just stuff hundreds of warships in some secret hollowed out asteroid bases, out of sight and out of mind but ready to be warmed up if needed.
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Apr 17, 2024 00:46
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John Wick of Dogs posted:A themme fatale named Captain Angel takes over the Enterprise to attempt to use Spock as leverage to have his betrothed set free their romantic partner, the currently incarcerated Sybok, in exchange for Spock and the enterprise crews lives. I just want you to know that I read this in the TNG promo guy's voice
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John Wick of Dogs posted:themme fatale I had not heard this one before, and I like it. Thank you. Episode slaps.
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Apr 17, 2024 01:24
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mllaneza posted:I had not heard this one before, and I like it. Thank you. I don't want to take credit for coming up with it just now, cause I can't remember if I read it somewhere before. But I don't remember reading it anywhere, so maybe I really did come up with it independently.
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Apr 17, 2024 01:27
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Alchenar posted:Pretty much. Because they're pretty similar fictional utopias philosophically I've always assumed the Federation would do what The Culture did and just stuff hundreds of warships in some secret hollowed out asteroid bases, out of sight and out of mind but ready to be warmed up if needed. All in orbit around Exogol
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Apr 17, 2024 01:32
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Thranguy posted:The starfleet model of Military production is that ships are practically free, crewmen a bit pricey, officers expensive and teachers irreplaceable. Alchenar posted:Pretty much. Because they're pretty similar fictional utopias philosophically I've always assumed the Federation would do what The Culture did and just stuff hundreds of warships in some secret hollowed out asteroid bases, out of sight and out of mind but ready to be warmed up if needed. right, I think the question would come down to "are we willing to spend time on meaningful military exercises, logistics and production redundancy, and maintaining a state of readiness across a substantial volume of space" since they don't have ultra intelligent machines operating far beyond the capabilities of biological perception or reaction unless they plan on pulling a Texas-class with that mothball fleet corona familiar fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 02:02
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They obviously have nothing, a cube ended up inside Jupiter. Telescopes today could see that.
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Apr 17, 2024 04:05
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Every Starfleet officer we see has such a hardon for space battles they have their own tactics programmed into the ship's computer personalised under their name the moment they get the rank to do so.
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Apr 17, 2024 04:21
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Evasive Maneuvers, Riker Epsilon Five *ship drifts listlessly starboard*
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Apr 17, 2024 04:40
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maybe it's just a voice authorization to give the helm the button to push and they're all standard apart from some presets 1-10 or something riker's top 10 lo-fi maneuvers to jamaharon to
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Kesper North posted:I love my partner. We've been texting back and forth about Star Trek all day and are currently trying to figure out how the Federation kept itself from creating a Grand Army of the Republic after the Borg and Dominion wars in short succession. The Federation has always had a standing military; it's called Star Fleet. Many of the member planets also maintain separate militaries. The Federation has always been pretty cognizant of the fact that the universe is a dangerous place, and seems to love the phrases 'speak softly, but carry a big stick' and 'si wis pacem, para bellum.' Remember, it was a plot point in TOS that a single Constitution class could depopulate a planet on it's own, with it's on-board weapons, let alone getting scientifically creative. By the time TNG rolls around, a TOS-era Constitution Class is laughably quaint. By the time of the 'current' timeline, a Galaxy Class is a museum piece. And we quietly don't point out that any Federation ship capable of independent assignment can quietly hang out in the Oort cloud or equivalent of any given solar system, and fling a bunch of rocks at the planet. Pretty easy to fling the first ones more slowly than the later ones, to get a full time-on-target synchronized strike. Also to fling them on different trajectories to get different attack vectors. Then just pop over to the other side of the system with a quick warp jump, and do it again. Let alone that you can wander down to the industrial-sized matter compilers and say 'Computer, synthesize me ten tons of a disease utterly fatal to the inhabitants of Planet Puppydog, authorization Captain Warcrimes.' Let alone that you could just program the transporters to lock in on all the inhabitants, beam out only their hearts, and just orbit the planet. I could come up with terrible plans all day. quote:The post-Dominion War version of the Federation we see in Picard has some ominously "Old Republic, just prior to the dissolution of the Senate and the declaration of Empire" vibes, and lord knows the hawks would have the upper hand in that political environment. This was the literal plot of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.
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Star Trek VI is an excellent film. One of my favorites.
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Apr 17, 2024 16:21
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Use your industrial replicators to build attack swarm drones as fast as the computer can produce them. Actually bother to research and recreate teleport cloning to replace or duplicate crewmembers. Use your warp engines to accelerate projectiles to relativistic speeds. Use your teleporters to simultaneously launch attacks on a single target from multiple vectors. Slingshot around the sun and destroy your enemy in the past.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Use your industrial replicators to build attack swarm drones as fast as the computer can produce them. Actually, just have them build self-replicating replicators, and unleash a grey-goo apocalypse. One of the neat thing of the Star Fleet Battles game was how it really examined the possibilities inherent in even basic Star Trek technology.
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Apr 17, 2024 19:13
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Alchenar posted:Pretty much. Because they're pretty similar fictional utopias philosophically I've always assumed the Federation would do what The Culture did and just stuff hundreds of warships in some secret hollowed out asteroid bases, out of sight and out of mind but ready to be warmed up if needed. I fanwank that that's pretty much what the identical Inquiry class fleet at the end of Picard Season 1 was. Reserve militarization fleet they kept in standby. TheCenturion posted:Really, that was the magic of all of the original Trek movies; they were local. At most, a specific world was threatened, or a more nebulous concept like 'galactic peace' was threatened. And the two that threatened Earth, the antagonist was basically confused. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Apr 17, 2024 |
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Apr 17, 2024 19:25
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MikeJF posted:I fanwank that that's pretty much what the identical Inquiry class fleet at the end of Picard Season 1 was. Reserve militarization fleet they kept in standby. They overdid the clone stamping and the fleet could have used some variance but yes, after the Dominion war Federation would be stupidly optimistic again not to have any sort of reserve or on-call major ops fleet to handle all the fun that happens because the central government of one of the big three in Alpha/Beta quadrant collapsed. Or if Dominion which is so far away they realistically cannot keep close eye to them decides that peaceful co-existence is loser talk from solids. Or Klingon empire gets another "we need glory to revitalize the empire"-type as a head of state.
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Apr 17, 2024 19:46
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MikeJF posted:And the two that threatened Earth, the antagonist was basically confused. Exactly! And in the classic Trek films where there *is* an actual 'enemy,' Kirk resorts to fighting only when he absolutely has to.
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Kirk knows The fate of the galaxy is in his hands Kirk knows To only use his weapons for defense No one Will ever keep him down The power lies on siiiiiiiiiiiide Go go federation
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The Federation definitely wised up when it came to having more capable ships. It’s perceived that they were resting on their past victories and allowed hubris to over take them in TNG era until a string of incidents came and kicked them in the rear end. The Borg was able to cruise to Earth rather easily taking out everything, the first time around dozens of ships were destroyed. Many of which were out dated and shouldn’t even have been there at all. Oberth? Constitution? Why were they even there. It was a patch work group at best with a single known Galaxy ship. The rest were out dated and modified versions of various ships. It was kinda pathetic. Thanks to the Borg they finally got some dedicated ships to handle major threats like the Defiant, plus others that were created to fight the Borg but came in drat handy when the Dominion came knocking. A threat so big they could only win by getting all the major powers allied with them. They kind of lucked in with the aliens in the worm hole helping them out and vanishing a good many Dominion ships. But even with all that they actually had to almost take out the founders themsleves and offer a cure before peace was achieved. The Dominion isn't going to sit around forever, you know they're coming back one day, Odo against it or not. At this current time point in Trek history now, it appears most Starfleet ships are designed to give a good fight and be able to take a good beating as well. Facing possible extinction, assimilation and enslavement really tends to change a view point, you want to do what is right but you also want to be prepared. Facing them all back to back likely changed the Federation in many ways more than we see. Especially if they’re being called on to save every other power in the quadrant from time to time whoever it is. The way things are moving with every other power having crumbled, been beaten down or not really advancing as greatly as the Federation, most are primed to even swallowed up by it due to their reliance upon it. Could get some pretty crazy things going if we start seeing more ships from other races be it Klingon, Romulan, Cardassian and the like all in more Federation styles. Give a time jump a hundred or so years from the current time in Star Trek and the whole Alpha Quadrant might be Federation based with all the races making up it's members if not discussing membership. How advanced would the ships get. They're already pretty crazy in capability. What threats could actually be threats. Or is the Federation progressing so well and gaining so much it's heading for it's inevitable collapse as all major powers, empires and kingdoms must after a time due to various issues that have always destroyed the most powerful after a time once expansion becomes too big and impossible to manage. Especially when there is crisis after crisis. Infighting etc. Death from a thousand cuts and all that.
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https://twitter.com/TrekMovie/status/1780603280290172988 I know he's treated as a boogeyman, and I go long with it, because of Red Letter Media and his association with a famous union buster but... ...I'm gonna keep making GBS threads on him for making shorter Trek seasons. Which is really just a trend across all television so it's really unfounded.
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Strikes me as a way to be cheaper and not have to deal with having to put out as much quality product.
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Disco absolutely still had loads of filler episodes even when it was getting 13 episodes a season
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Its not really his call anyway, I don't think Kurtzman could make a 24 episode season of SNW or Disco or whatever if he wanted. He's being a good soldier and just putting a good face it. But like lol, TNG is all "filler", I miss loving filler. Give me television that is 35-45% sawdust and ash.
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Apr 18, 2024 00:49
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My favorite parts of TNG are the ones that most resemble a workplace sitcom. I'd imagine those are the parts Kurtzman wants to avoid.
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I'm cool with 10 episode seasons. 12 would be ideal, but in this age of ever more content and ever less time as we all march to the grave, 10 per season is perfectly fine. I just wish that this also coincided with a shorter turn around time between seasons, but whatever. The only time a 10 episode season has sucked for me was when shows like Picard did that whole "10 hour movie" bullshit because TV writers rarely know how to pace things, so you get crap like Picard Season 2's ICE lockup detour or Picard wandering around Downtown LA not knowing what is going on because we need to stretch for another 45 minutes before we reach the "gets run over by a Tesla" bulletpoint on the whiteboard.
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Though I’m sure we could quibble over the numbers, a couple quick google shows that an episode of TNG cost about $3.5 million to produce in 2024 dollars, and Disco is about $8 million. If episodes cost twice as much, it’s not surprising that we get half as many of them. They could probably produce more for the same amount, but I suspect the resulting production values wouldn’t…meet today’s expectations.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Actually bother to research and recreate teleport cloning to replace or duplicate crewmembers. Use your warp engines to accelerate projectiles to relativistic speeds. You fool! Clones don't have Katra! You've created an army of soulless monstrosities and doomed us all!
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Blue Moonlight posted:Though I’m sure we could quibble over the numbers, a couple quick google shows that an episode of TNG cost about $3.5 million to produce in 2024 dollars, and Disco is about $8 million. How much does the thing that makes the camera spin around wildly cost? They could get rid of that.
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Facebook Aunt posted:How much does the thing that makes the camera spin around wildly cost? They could get rid of that.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Oh they do that for free Yeah, you just get that whenever you hire Frakes.
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Frakes isn’t the one who does that move with the camera, thankfully
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FlamingLiberal posted:Frakes isn’t the one who does that move with the camera, thankfully I suppose. I think he got it all out of his system during First Contact because there's a lot of flippy, perspective-challenging motion control shots in First Contact.
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nine-gear crow posted:I suppose. I think he got it all out of his system during First Contact because there's a lot of flippy, perspective-challenging motion control shots in First Contact. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olatunde_Osunsanmi He is also apparently directing that Section 31 movie
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Rubber Chicken posted:Evasive Maneuvers, Riker Epsilon Five Computer, activate Maneuvers Jerusalem Alpha 1 through Zeta 99  WORK-ING! TRANSMITTING UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER IN ALL KNOWN LANGUAGES ACROSS ALL KNOWN COMMUNICATION CHANNELS
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Jerusalem posted:Computer, activate Maneuvers Jerusalem Alpha 1 through Zeta 99 Computer, activate Maneuver Apeshit 69 ACTIVATE RED ALERT SHIELDS UP ENGINES FULL REVERSE PRIME CAPTAIN’S LIFEPOD
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Jerusalem posted:Computer, activate Maneuvers Jerusalem Alpha 1 through Zeta 99 …including Welsh?
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Zaroff posted:…including Welsh? ESPECIALLY WELSH! I've seen their rugby players, I can't imagine how much scarier their Space Rugby Players are 
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Clouseau posted:Its not really his call anyway, I don't think Kurtzman could make a 24 episode season of SNW or Disco or whatever if he wanted. He's being a good soldier and just putting a good face it. The streaming services are telling creators that they need shows that people will watch while they're also on their phones, the TV becomes the second screen. Which is a great place for filler! So why, while distributors are asking for shows that can be background, the scripted content they're releasing is all "prestige" style in sorry and production quality and season length?
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