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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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esperterra posted:

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Super Deuce posted:

Last week Raffi and Seven beam out of a car surrounded by cops who can plainly see them disappear. This week Seven says that beaming Rios out of a bus would be a bad idea.. If they want to have a 10 hour movie can they at least pay attention to their own story?

The cops didn't see them disappear last week. When they were coming around us the viewers could just see the very last of the beam effect disappearing but from the cops pov they came around to the front of the vehicle guns drawn and it was just empty

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Hispanic! At The Disco posted:

The reason Seven and Raffi got away with beaming out is because who's gonna believe a story when the only witnesses are cops?

Raffi should have left a gram of fentanyl in the car, sending every cop in a 500 meter radius into Grandmal seizures

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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It looked like it was some kind of film draped between them? Like a combination uv and HEPA filter. When it flew away it folded like a net

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Gonz posted:

Q learns about NFTs and the future gets completely hosed as a result.

I think their party invitations are nfts

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Hipster_Doofus posted:

Yeah that was a little cringe worthy but hopefully just a throwaway not to be mentioned again.

E: Also the mission's named Europa but a discovery is made on Io? Io, the hell moon with volcanic lava fountains like hundreds of miles tall? Is there a single writer on staff who read Odyssey 2061?

Isn't Io the one life is actually theorized to be on?

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Agnes: I am such a gently caress up
Picard: You're a good dependable person and I like you a lot
Rios: It didn't work out for us but you're ok Agnes, thank you for all that you do. I'm here for you if you need me
Borg Queen: Nobody likes you and you'll be alone forever
Agnes: drat she's right

I mean this season is clearly about depression, and Agnes having this self doubting voice is realistic if externalized in a way that's a bit on the nose, imo

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Yeah when the drones are dismissed the orange thingie kind of folds up like cloth between them, it looks like it's some kind of film, not an actual force field

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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DaveKap posted:



The only set of Soong nips I saw were these

(Also I'm kidding, I know what you're talking about and I learned something new today. Thanks for that.)


Can you explain because I have no idea what they're talking about

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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My theory: Renee is not supposed to go on this mission. Picard's assumption that Q changed or is changing it is wrong. She's supposed to skip this one, get treatment, and go on a future mission that's the actual important one. The lesson Picard hasn't learned, that Q is mad at him for, is that going to space is not the solution to all his problems.

As in season 1, also Borg are there for some reason

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Mar 4, 2017

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xerxus posted:



It's possible all the scenes we've seen of Q depowered were set further in the past. And the Q we saw in episode 1 & 2 are chronologically set later. We aren't watching Q try to foil JL's attempt to fix it. We're seeing him mess it up the first time which is required to get him his powers back (like he explained to Adam Soong.)

Yeah Picard is in April 13th 2024 as of this episode. When Q is reading the newspaper at the end of the previous episode:


lovely image quality but quite clearly January I think

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

Yep, I'm convinced now that the scene with Q snapping his fingers at Renee Picard in the cafe is the very first scene in the series, timewise.

Q feels his power fading, does something incredibly stupid to stop Renee from going into space, which causes the Bad Timeline™ to happen. Then he runs to the moment Picard dies to pull him out of the timeline without setting off any further time trouble, because no one was going to be finding bodies after an entire fleet assploded themselves.

What I'm going to say doesn't make actual sense but I think might be true: Q innocent, just like with the All Good Things anomaly. Picard is at fault and causes his own dark timeline by going back in time and forcing his ancestor to go to space with depression. Q shows up in the dark future mad at Picard for doing what he's about to do. Yes that doesn't really make any sense.

But I just watched an episode where the only reason Spock didn't die at age seven is because he used the guardian of forever to go back in time and save his life from a lizard tiger. And he was time traveling with Kirk at the same time the guardian of forever showed the events on Vulcan, could not be in two places at once, and thus returned to a future where he did not exist. So he had to reason out that he originally went back in time and posed as his own cousin.

It made no sense but at the same time made perfect sense.

Why did Picard and crew go from exploding ship confronting the Borg to the Confederation? Well the Borg space vagina was full of chronotons or whatever, please allow the captain of the USS Bozeman to explain.


Edit: Ahhhhhhhhhhh shiiiiiiit the sentient microbe Renee finds in Jupiter are Borg nano probes, she gets assimilated and is the queen from episode 1. They weren't calling for Picard, they were saying their own name

John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Apr 2, 2022

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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The thing about Discovery no names bridge crew is over the four seasons I've learned their names, and most of them have had development, and the ones that haven't, their job is clear. But most of Discovery's core cast is people who don't work on the bridge. Stametz, Reno, Adira, Zora, Gray, Culber, Tilly, Book, none of them are bridge officers! But of the bridge officers Saru and Michael are really the only ones, plus whoever the captain is that year if not one of them. Of the others we've really gotten to know Detmer well, Owo not quite as well, Bryce less so still but has had a few moments, and Rhys the least. There are also two other ones that are basically glorified extras. And your comedy character Linus who basically only exists for a recurring gag.

Overall though Discovery has a very large cast and a most of them have developed a lot. The ones that haven't are like fun recurring characters. None of them except the core core cast really started getting any development until late season 2 though. But when they added new ones in season 3 and 4 they were way better at it.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Discovery rules

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Seven really should have accepted some of Paris's invites to his driving holodeck programs

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Megillah Gorilla posted:


Also, it really needs to be said - their single scientist is someone who spent her life working on robots. But we see in season 1, they left a dying man in her care because why wouldn't a robot scientist know everything about medicine.

And now they're doing it with the transporter.

Well she's in charge of the ship and transporter in the last couple episodes cause she's literally the only person they have.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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What if Picard has Pike's hair?
https://twitter.com/DecksLower/status/1510778299097575429?t=j_nBWQM5f50zh6TDfRYPsQ&s=19

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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McSpanky posted:

I didn't even finish season 1 of Discovery, try again

You should, it's good

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Senor Tron posted:

The worst for this is how all the consoles are outlined with bright lights. Like imagine staring at those screens all day.

Mirror universe poster detected

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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I would like to see Discovery visit the Mentokans for some reason, seeing where they are at 1000 years later would be really interesting

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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While the execution of the end of season 1 had some problems, like the giant identical fleets and Soji being ready to exterminate all organic life and there being no consequences for that, I actually quite liked the resolution of Picard showing them a better way and how they could coexist by talking to them and sacrificing his life. With his medical condition being advanced enough giving a speech was enough to take him out and he did it anyway, I like how Soji was convinced.

I also like how they transferred Picard into a golem. He is still Picard to me because throughout all of Trek souls have been tangible and transferable. Spock's katra, Trill rituals, ship of the damned, even very silly examples like Rayo Vantika.

It was messy and weird how literally any synth on that planet could still rebuild the beacon and activate it in hours if they want anytime if they're having a bad day or find out they have a lovely boufriend, they should have done something to destroy that knowledge(maybe it died with the Android Soong killed?). And it makes sense Soji would not be punished as part of the federation's deal to protect the planet and have positive diplomatic relations with the synths, but she should have at least apologized.

And I liked the death scene for Data. The existence he was living, he got to choose to end his life with dignity. Maybe it depends on your feelings on euthanasia.

I thought Rios had a well resolved plot of finding out the reasons behind the thing that disillusioned him from Starfleet and being able to heal after helping resolve it and atone for his covering it up. Raffi able to heal because she was completely vindicated in her beliefs about what happened on Mars.

Raffi and Seven, I don't understand at all. I accept completely they are bi, they are both attractive and have compatible personalities so it makes sense they would get together in general, but they have almost completely zero scenes together in the whole series before that. And it's blocked like they've been together a long time. Hook them up absolutely but it should be a scene where they actually talk to each other.

Jurati is really the only super major problem, she flat out murdered a guy. I can actually buy that was a result of mind meld psychosis or even an implanted command, but if they want to exonerate her character she should have actually been cleared on screen. Perhaps by Soong after the mind meld, who was close enough with him that he could believably say "from this scan it looks like the mind meld implanted a command in you, you had no control over your actions". Instead of simply implying it a year later.

Also Elnor specifically mentioned he wanted to meet a cat! He should have met Spot 2!!!! I love my idiot Romulan ninja boy, he should get to pet a cat!

I did not mind the handheld field replicator, that seems completely plausible for the tech level, though the way they described it like a green lantern ring was dumb. And the super Picard maneuver was also dumb and did not fit with the things function, and was completely unnecessary and just killed 30 seconds. But the super Picard maneuver was also inconsequential to the resolution of the story so it didn't really bother me either.

But aside from all the problems with the finale I listed here, I still liked the broad strokes of the story and finale and really enjoyed it.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Charity Porno posted:

The Romulan Incest twins sucked and the excessive violence sucked. Killing Hugh super sucked, the guy had fully de-assimilated and seemed to have a pretty fulfilling life and he just gets killed for reasons

I didn't mind. He was happy, he felt his life had fulfilled a good purpose, he helped the heroes accomplish what they needed. He didn't need to die but he went out gracefully and at peace. He knew he would probably be killed for what he was going to do to help Picard and gladly did it anyway.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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DaveKap posted:

Remember when the main bad guy had more on-screen sexual tension with his sister than with the woman/android he was effortlessly seducing?

That's what I remember about Star Trek: Picard Season 1.

He was the shittiest dirt bag fuckboy boyfriend in the Galaxy but I found Soji falling in love with him absolutely believable, for the same reason.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Oh yeah and I only watched Picard S1 like three weeks ago.

The one thing I'm most surprised to find everybody hates is Elnor.

How do people hate Picard's himbo elven ninja son? He's dumb like a puppy dog. He decapitated the guy but it's ok, he's just a baby!

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Eimi posted:

Because he's emblematic about the shows love of hyper violence because he loving loves decapitating people. The reset at the start of S2 I was totally onboard with, but by ep2 it's back to throat slitting.

He decapitated like one dude!!! He didn't love it! He asked him to choose life!

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Haha this show is weird as gently caress

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Jurati is such a hot loving mess. Her and Borg Queen are so camp.

Her walking towards the city reminded me of Jason walking towards New York in that one Friday the 13th movie, but her possessed and in that flowing dress also reminded me of Dana/Zuul in Ghostbusters. The musical number was so ridiculous, though I would buy a jazz band in 2024 would have that song ready to go.

She is such an amazing gently caress up I kinda love her. Like the more mistakes and gently caress ups she does the more I actually like her, I didn't really like her at all in season 1.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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If I ever write a story and a kindly old man turns up from nowhere to give weirdly specific advice, I'm going to have the other character go "Oh gently caress, you're a time traveler aren't you"

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Khanstant posted:

if soong and picard gently caress is it incest since picard's* body is a future soong?

*obviously Picard is dead, but you know, whatever character patrick stewart is almost pretending to act like.

Picard isn't dead. Souls are 100% transferable to new bodies in Star Trek. He's no more dead than Spock in Star Trek IV, or Gray, or Culber, or literally any character who has ever gone through a transporter.

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HD DAD posted:

Kore never Googled her dad because she’s probably like 2 weeks old and had her memories implanted somehow.

Kore never googled her dad for the same reason I never googled my dad. Why would I? He's not suddenly acting extremely weird or anything! If he suddenly started acting cryptically weird then I might Google him!

Well, I'd probably use Bing actually, the show I'm in is produced by Sony

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Charity Porno posted:

The trope of opening in media res and then going <X units of time ago> rarely works and there was no exception here

I was just glad the episode didn't end at the beginning

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Rios whole thing of kind of liking the 2024 and being in a pretty good mood is kind of weird considering he was beat up by cops and tossed into a bus to a concentration camp without trial like 4 hours ago

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FlamingLiberal posted:

That's not my issue, it's that she's just suddenly singing and the band plays along like nothing's wrong

That's just how things work in tv land

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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Confederation Picard's favorite drink should have been iced or cold brew coffee instead of hot coffee

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Mar 4, 2017

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Because a bunch of idiots who have made Star Trek a right wing culture war took that moment and pretended to be horrified at a funny joke going "this is what Star Trek is now, I'm disgusted, genre Roddenberry is flipping in his grave", a bunch of Star Trek fans went the opposite way and instead of seeing it as just a funny joke in an episode are now "this is an iconic moment, this is important, this IS what Star Trek is now"

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xerxus posted:

one mystery solved.

https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1513752969019203584?s=20&t=j4zbVjy9t7o3lCvRD6f9Hg

but why did the band start playing?

It was actually a pretty common situation where a guest starts singing. These are professionals who can improvise on the spot.


I mean, the ep was 39 minutes

John Wick of Dogs
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Oh how nice he got his granddaughter on the show

John Wick of Dogs
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Oh boy that "It's not my job to be interesting!" line is going to be chopped out and put in thousands of YouTube videos

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LinkesAuge posted:

I guess mental illness in the 24th century is treated like in the early 20th century.

I repeat myself, I know that Star Trek has never been great in regards to this topic but I just don't buy that Picard's mother would live like this in the 24th century (I assume she suffered from manic depression/schizophrenia). I of course assume they don't throw in the trope of "it's not actually mental illness, it's some scifi/"magic" thing that causes it" because Not-Laris did hint at there being more to it though it obviously doesn't fix the issue of why Daddy Picard would just ignore the problem or why it's a problem at all in the 24th century (at least to this extent).
To me it feels like another example of the writers simply not caring or respecting the setting and just writing things like it's a contemporary setting.

Yeah imagine characters in the 24th century with mental illnesses that could not be easily treated



Mental illnesses like aggressive mania, chronic and crippling anxiety, or... liking sex

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John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

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After Picard is injured, Jen hands his Morpher to Renee, because it is DNA encoded and will allow her to become the red ranger and help them catch Ducansik

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