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kustomkarkommando posted:Also add Saoirse McHugh to the list of people who should be elected along with Gary Gannon imo I'm glad she's good and I would personally vote for her, but God the Greens are such a dumpster fire under Eamon Ryan I'm struggling to justify giving them even my third preference.
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Miftan posted:She's great, you should vote for her. My personal view is that it will be a FF/Green/independent government. SF have recently changed their rules allowing them to enter into coalition as a junior member, and Mary Lou seems to want to be in government. The line of thinking seems to be that by entering government, FF/FG can no longer make the argument that they are unfit for office, which will then allow the party to break into more middle-class circles, which would allow it to become a senior coalition member in a future government. Apparently Varadkar said in the "debate" last night that he was open to a grand coalition with FF after the election, assuming that there are no other ways of forming a government. This was mooted by Martin this morning, surprising no-one. However, the menace of SF in government is part of the reason of the confidence and supply arrangement in recent years, so I wouldn't be surprised if Martin changed his mind after the results are declared. The main issue is that there is no significant third party other than SF for either of the big two to work with. Traditionally, the half party role was filled by Labour, but they show no signs of recovery after 2016 and, if polling holds, will have lost support since that election. They had 7 seats in the last election, and it is likely that that number will be reduced again. The assumption is that the Green Party will gain seats, but I would argue that they will only get around 7 or so. Very unlikely that they will break into double digits unless something significant changes. Then you have the SocDems, who split from Labour and might not hold their seats, Solidarity/PBP/RISE who are left-wing and are saying they will not enter government unless it is part of a broad left alliance. Parties that are more socially and economically alligned with FF/FG are Renua and Aontú, but it's unlikely that Renua will pick up even a seat and Aontú are, at best, only going to hold the seat of their leader, Tobin. The math is difficult, and there will be weeks of negotiating before any government is formed.
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I think a significant amount of people who are posting here also post in the UK thread, where some things need to be explained to us sometimes. All good!
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kustomkarkommando posted:Renua have pretty much imploded so I have no idea why B&A still poll for them. I legitimately wonder if Casey will get a seat. Losing two consecutive elections has really taken the wind out of his campaign. I think he is most likely to get a seat in Donegal, but even then I'm extremely doubtful he will manage it. As for the Infowars Alliance, it's next to impossible for them to manage a seat. For the most part, they are seemingly supported by Yanks and the English Right. They're also hurt by running in Dublin, which tends to send liberal and left-wing TDs. Also, with regards to Renua, they are seemingly getting financial support from somewhere. Seen some posters go up in my area, Louth, as of today. Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Jan 23, 2020 |
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There's a lot of theories to why Ireland hasn't had a far-right party in recent years. Some hopefuls attribute it to us being more open to people who immigrate into the country because of our own history with being emigrants. Some argue that SF have taken the role of protest vote and that because they organise across a border that they cannot come across as racist nationalist. An evolution of this argument is that because FF and FG are both centre-right with no real left or centre left party (except Labour), the electorate are more open to something different, which, in this case, is social democracy. I think all these arguments have merit, but I personally believe that it is very difficult for a hard Right party to argue their social politics in Ireland. While racism is a core part of any right wing party, they also wed themselves to wider social conservatism - a call back to tradition, an attempt to evoke a bygone era that we should return to, homophobia, sexism, ECT. These arguments don't scan well in Ireland because we never had a roaring economy, Celtic Tiger notwithstanding, we never had a period where people weren't emigrating because of the poor condition of the country. In many of our lifetimes we have seen the impact of strong social conservatism, contraceptives not being widely available until the 90s, homosexuality being criminalised until 1993, the divorce and abortion referenda. Add that with the repeated scandals with the Catholic Church, the Tuam Babies, child sex abuse... This is anecdotal, but my grandmother, in the space of a few years, went from approaching RTE reporters on Cardinal Seán Brady to supporting the repeal of the 8th Amendment, specifically decrying the amount of control the Catholic Church had. I would argue that because these parties don't have much to offer besides racism that they aren't succeeding. Sure, people will agree with what they are saying, but they are a long way off from actively supporting them in any way. With regards to the EU, I think people here are overwhelmingly in support of it because of how obvious it is that membership has helped the country. We can see the funding in motorways and in our towns. Because we travel we see the benefits of visa-free trips and the common currency of the Euro. People aren't afraid to criticize it, the beef protests and the possibility of a European Army threatening Irish neutrality are examples of that. Overall, people seem to believe that the benefits outweigh the negatives and that we have a platform to actually address the things we don't like in the EU Parliament.
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Irish people are, without a doubt, racist. All you have to do is look at how popular Casey was in the Presidential campaign after his comments on the Traveller community. You also hear a lot of people complaining about immigrants coming in and going on social welfare. I've personally been able to tackle this with recounting my experience trying to get back into the system after two years outside the country. It was a difficult process only made possible by decent personal record keeping by myself and my mother, and I am a full Irish citizen. It seems to come from ignorance, with most talking themselves back when challenged. I have seen an uptick in people saying the State ignores it with Nigerian people because they don't want to be seen as racist. On the flip side, however, I've also seen people laud over immigrants because of their work ethic. This is mostly said about Indian and Asian immigrants, but I have also heard it about black people specifically in the HSE, which I find a little odd considering the general racism around black people in the rest of Ireland. Ireland has a weird and complex relationship with racism. Remember Gerry Adams tweeting the n word?
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Guavanaut posted:Attacks on the Traveller community aren't even seen as racism in a lot of Europe. Like even the most anti-racist (against the most racialized targets, like African people) people in Ireland or France or Britain will often be racist about Travellers or Roma or whoever forms an assumed nomadic community in that area. This is a legitimate point but Casey also stood in the middle of a street during the EU elections shouting into a megaphone that he was racist. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/politics/im-an-irish-racist-irish-european-election-peter-casey.amp
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Oh absolutely. A lot of that seems to come down to ignorance of the Travelling culture, with people just assuming they are settled Irish who decided one day to abandon the sedentary life. EDIT: Irish Times are reporting that a poll in Donegal has SF picking up a second seat there, taking from either FF or Pringle. Casey is on 2%, being outpolled by the Aontú candidate ón 3%. Donegal poll finds Sinn Féin may take seat from Independent or Fianna Fáil (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...%A1il-1.4149445 Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 24, 2020 |
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:As a foreign observer, I can't get over the fact that your two main parties don't even pretend to be ideologically distinct from each other. The difference is based on some long-forgotten point of contention in the Irish civil war, right? So it's amazing that even after all this time the parties haven't been replaced by a typical center-left/center-right split, or that FF/FG haven't evolved to inhabit ideological camps, even if just in theory. They're two different flavours of the centre-right. FF are more rural based. They tend to be a little more economically "left", and will typically increase State funding, expand social welfare, ECT. Still relatively restrained, but definitely a lot more than the economically liberal FG. FG tend to be more urban in their conservatism. Wholeheartedly adopted neoliberalism and will unashamedly defend it. They would absolutely roll back as much as possible if they were ever allowed a majority. FG, however, tend to be more socially liberal. Not that they are paragons for the plight of minorities, but their liberalism allows for Labour and others to argue that the State should maybe not deny rights to people. FF, on the other hand, are still very socially conservative. It was a surprise that Martin actively supported Repeal in the 2017 referendum. Even still, a significant amount of FF TDs were a part of the pro-life side. Part of the reason they never adopted hard ideological stances, at least in my opinion, is because of our voting system. The last majority government was in 1977 and the likelyhood of that happening again is next to zero. FG have nearly always worked with Labour, who bring them more to the center. FF will work with anyone and will let that guide their politics. For example, their working with the Progressive Democrats in the 1990s had them take a pretty hard neoliberal streak. Both parties realise that they must be flexible in order to survive, because ideologies can become unpopular and they're better to sail by the wind. Another reason is that we still have Civil War politics is because it wasn't all that long ago that it happened. While the war itself was waged in the early 1920s, you can argue that the tensions didn't begin to relieve themselves until the election of FF in 1932. The question surrounding the signing of the Treaty of Westminster was raised on the announcement of the Republic in 1949 and with the Troubles in the 1970s. The people who were alive at the time of the Civil War only really began to die off from the 1990s, and even still, their children will be heavily influenced by their voting patterns. Again, this next generation are only dying off now. Fewer young people want to support the main two parties, and it's doubtful that anyone under 40 who hasn't voted for either of them will change their mind in the future. So, a realignment could happen, but it could really only happen at this point in time.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Thanks for the primer. Absolutely not. The party is dead in the water and may be only one or two election cycles away from looking into a merger with another party. SF likely have the most to gain. They actively advertise themselves as a centre-left to left wing party. I live in Gerry Adams' constituency (and worked for him for a while) and his office has "for a 32 county socialist republic" in the windows. The smaller left parties are also attempting to court the party in case the Dail arithmetic allows a broad left coalition. EDIT: I might be giving Labour too much of a hard time here. While I do think that they are heading for political irrelevancy, they might be able to maintain their niche if they get a leader who actually does anything. Howlin has been a complete nonentity since becoming leader, and has allowed Labour to sit in the shadows and do a whole lot of nothing. It's a pity that the only person who is gunning for the leadership is doing it completely out of his own ego and not for the good of anyone. Skull Servant fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Looks like they are hedging their bets in a lot of constituencies and not running multiple candidates to prevent vote diluting. Kustom said earlier that the party attempted to run three candidates in Donegal last GE and ended up only electing one, when they probably could have gotten two in the constituency. They're running at least one candidate in every constituency except Cork North West. Not sure why they're passing there, maybe a Munster poster will know more. Another possibility is that they aren't overplaying their hand, having a very bad day at the polls in the Presidential election (though they were never going to have a good one tbf) and an underwhelming day at the local and EU elections, losing nearly half their councillors and one MEP. That said, there seems to be a lot of people flipping to SF, at least in my area. I've heard "maybe they won't follow through on their promises, but we should give them a try". It would be interesting to see if that view is held elsewhere, because my constituency is probably going to return the same amount of SF TDs as they did last time - 2.
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How so? It does two things - first it prevents the possibility of a region electing a deceased person and having to go straight back to the polls for a by-election, and secondly it allows the family of the deceased breathing room to grieve while not having to be constantly reminded of their passing. We had all the local candidates come into the college today to talk about student issues. Only 7 out of the apparent 15 arrived, with most of the South Louth based candidates skipping it. However, the FG candidate for here also didn't show his face, which was really odd/funny because his entire platform is "I'm young!" Another absence was Nash, which was weird. I understand his focus is on Drogheda but he doesn't have another Labour mate to clash with. It was actually an interesting enough forum. Learned about some of the independents that are running here. None are amazing, but they're not entirely awful. A yank is running on the platform of "extreme localism" (a direct quote) where she would work to devolve more powers to the county councils and town councils. Not an awful idea in theory, but very doubtful it will work in any way. The other one was a guy who would only talk about mental health. Almost certainly means well, but when you are specifically asked how you would address the funding of third level education and you divert immediately into talking about mental health concerns... SF's candidate for here was very good, honestly. He was well spoken and comfortable in front of the crowd. Got a few laughs too, which was good. PBP's one had a good stump speech and did well talking about things that weren't exactly education related while linking them to education - free transport would reduce the cost of attending college, fixing housing and rents will allow students more independence, ect. Green Party candidate was a good speaker too and actually gave me confidence in listing them as a numbered preference. It will probably be fourth, but I was legitimately considering leaving him out completely. FF's Breathnach was initially well spoken, but he was challenged by two members of staff on his and FF's record and began to lose his temper. Was very visibly annoyed which I was a bit shocked at. It didn't take much at all for him to tilt - first person specifically said that the pay disparity that is at the root of tomorrow's strike action is because of the inaction of both FG and FF in "coalition". He got worked up trying to explain that confidence and supply is actually different than coalition because... Pretty fun to watch honestly. Fitzpatrick was last and god he was a complete mess. He couldn't string a sentence together and kept going from one thing to another while saying he was the "REAL INDEPENDENT CANDIDATE FOR LOUTH". This ticked me off to the point where I actually stopped him and asked if he is a real independent who will criticize the government why he was part of FG for so long. He first responded by saying that he did some soul searching (Which apparently took seven and a half years but okay) and this makes him honest. He might be a bit too honest, because he then went on to say that he didn't seek out FG, that the party approached him. He joined the party without ever believing in them. He actually said that. I almost lost it completely! Providing nothing major changes between now and Saturday, I've now solidified my vote completely. Glad I went!
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kustomkarkommando posted:https://twitter.com/serentrippety/status/1224442549911244806?s=19 
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He's got my vote! https://twitter.com/electionlit/status/1224319959658041345?s=19
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Mine arrived yesterday. Was legitimately concerned that I might have been unregistered somehow.
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I'm giddy for tomorrow. I actually have hope in politics!
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V. Illych L. posted:the polls seem to indicate continued centrist dominance though or am i misunderstanding something? While both FF and FG still have a significant chunk of support, the combined tally for the two parties is possibly in the low 40% range. As recently as 2007 their combined support was just under 70%. Their combined seats may still equal a majority government, but the fact that they would have to work together to maintain their control is hugely significant for the country and will likely result in them losing support overall. About to head out and vote now myself. The returning officer for Louth is reporting that turnout was just a bit under 40% at 3:30. Not sure how that compares to previous years, but maybe we will have a turnout of 70% overall if it keeps going like this. I am, of course, basing this prediction on people voting after work.
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I can't believe that our politics has been influence by the Simpsons, of all things.
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OwlFancier posted:Solidarty-PBP-ISF coalition 2020 Solidarity-People Before Profit-Radical Internationalist Simpsons Electorate
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Went to vote an hour ago and asked about turnout. Officer said it was "well above" 50%. If this keeps up, I think we will have a decent turnout! General consensus seems to be that people want change around here. I'm continuing to have hope for this election. I wouldn't put too much weight on seat projections. They're all over the place because it's near impossible to figure out what votes will transfer where, it doesn't account for locally popular candidates in an unpopular party, what the influence of independent candidates are. FF will almost certainly be the largest party in the next Dail, but I cannot for the life of me see them on 60 seats with their current polling.
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https://twitter.com/DundalkDemocrat/status/1226498636282028032?s=19 75% of boxes opened and SF are on 42% here. Combined FF/FG vote less than 30%. Really surprising collapse of the FF vote, it seems.
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V. Illych L. posted:are they 'fixed the road' types? They're the ultimate "fixed the road" types. PowerBeard posted:I see no way of either Shane or Leo staying on after all this is over, as they would be seen as responsible for the losses. It's going to be a bloodbath in FG come Monday and I cannot wait.
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The Question IRL posted:I’m watching the same work friends who were being passive aggressive about SF in this election saying that now saying that the people who voted for SF are delusional, and if they wanted real left progression they should have voted for Labour. (In between lots of comments about how we need to be “realistic on how we costs free services” Which seems to me be another way of saying “I only want to help people, as long as my standard of living is not in any way effected.”) Still being punished for 2011 and Howlin is a complete void of personality.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Ged Nash does it for Labour in Louth against expectations - FF may be struggling to get their seat lead here FF have been completely locked out. We have 2 SF, 1 FG, 1 LAB, and Fitzpatrick. Disappointed with Fitzpatrick, but happy overall that we managed to expel FF and send a majority of center-left candidates. Wish we sent Deary over Fitzpatrick, and somehow the PBP candidate got in over the FG one.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Howlins resigned - very prompt exit. If the leadership comes down to these two the party is actually going to be dead next election. Howlin did nothing but both Kelly and O'Riordain are insufferable egotists.
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Arquinsiel posted:He was the minister in charge of Irish Water. That he hung on at all is mind boggling. I meant as leader while they were in opposition, but I agree completely. The only way Labour can come back is by bringing someone in without the stink of austerity and the coalition.
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Yeah, I'd want to echo that sentiment. The only significant thing Labour did that I can think of is the equal marriage referendum, but even that wasn't ideal. A high risk scenario in which LGBT people had to argue for their rights to marry in order to pass the buck and not be the government who maybe brought in an unpopular, if morally correct, policy. Additionally, the negative impact of the decision to take the question of marriage to referendum is being felt by LGBT people all across the world now, with more States following the Irish model of legislating for LGBT rights via the ballot box.
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Blut posted:- In 1995 Mervyn Taylor, as Minister for Equality and Law reform introduced the Equality Legislation which for the first time outlawed discrimination against people with disabilities, gays and lesbians, Travellers, ethnic minorities and other minorities. This specifically is a poor example to point to. Yes, it technically outlawed discrimination against LGBT people, but there was a significant loophole in that it only protected people from being discriminated in work. Therefore, you can have, and have had, examples of an out gay man who worked in a bar being refused as a customer in the same bar after his shift based upon his sexuality. This was not amended until 2000. Additionally, he was minister of Equality and Law for several years before bringing this legislation forward. Yes, these things take time. However, the length of time between decriminalisation and legislation for protection was far too long. Members of the Irish government were compelled to decriminalise homosexuality for years. It was not a spur of the moment decision.
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kustomkarkommando posted:I mean we where kind of snookered after Zappone v Revenue commission when the High Court said "nope constitution definately means marriage is between a man and a woman" and the appeal at the supreme court floundered. While this is true, and Question also made the same point, I have encountered a lot of people directly involved in the marriage referendum who are staunchly of the belief that a referendum was not required. It is possible that they are wrong, but this seems to be widely held in my experience. Regardless, the issue was a can that was kicked down the road. In order to prevent the sitting government from being seen as openly endorsing the idea of marriage equality, they held a Constitutional Convention, which only lengthened the amount of time to give the LGBT community the right to marry and the protections that come with it. There were couples where one partner died before the process of marriage equality was implemented and, as a result, they lost their family homes because of the objections of a bigoted family member of the deceased. If Labour properly stood up for the community rather than treading lightly they could have shaved years off of the process.
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irlZaphod posted:Can we not give political parties credit for the work of actual grassroots organisations? Labour/FG had gently caress all to do with it other than feeling it was probably safe enough to allow a Referendum on it. FG in particular taking credit for MarRef and Repeal is utterly galling. Believe me, I am not giving Labour any credit for the 2015 referendum. They might have legislated for it, but they did not drive the grassroots at all. That comes down to local LGBT groups and individuals going out and knocking on doors, speaking to their family and friends, and making their case for their own rights. At least locally, the only party I would give credit to would be Sinn Fein. Their local party structure came to the LGBT support group with maps and taught people how to doorstop. They also had 10 or so supporters out daily to help canvass. Fine Gael had one person, a local councillor, come out and campaign, but he was more focused on his own profile than the actual issue at hand. Regardless, any party support was supplementary. It may have been helpful in the case of Sinn Fein, but the local campaign was still spearheaded by actual LGBT people. Leo/FG taking credit for it infuriates me. In his maiden speech Leo came out strongly against civil partnerships, saying a relationship should be between a man and a woman. I know on good authority that he has never stepped into a LGBT centre until the referendum campaign, and even then it is always to influence his profile. He has no love for the community and zero solidarity with LGBT people.
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Would you have a link to that speech. Because he is a loving utter bollox if this is true. Reminds me of the puritanical Christian politicians in the States who decry LGBT culture publicly and are gay privately. I went back and had a reread of the speech. He says that he will vote for the bill, but only because there are some cases where it is warranted. He wants civil partnerships to be expanded and decoupled from sexuality. However, he does come out of nowhere with this anti-LGBT/single parent talking point. Leo Varadkar, 2010 posted:The question of adoption is ignored in this Bill because it is contentious. Sooner or later, it will have to be addressed. Every child has a father and a mother. Two men or two women cannot have a child together. A single person cannot have a child on their own unless they procure the pre-products of conception from an alternative source. This is an undeniable fact. Unfortunately, sometimes in children's lives one of the parents is not interested in them or dies. Where a child is an orphan, the State should replace their mother and father. Every child has the right to a mother and father and, as much as is possible, the State should vindicate that right. That is a much more important right than that of two men or women having a family. That is the principle that should underline our laws regarding children and adoption. I am also uncomfortable about adoption by single people regardless of their sexual orientation. I do not believe I as a single man should adopt a child. The child should go to parents, a mother and father, to replace what the child had before. Full transcript is here. I was a little wrong with him opposing Civil Partnership, but overall he is not in the slightest concerned with issues surrounding LGBT people. I'm sure some blueshirts will argue that he only made those arguments to protect his identity, but I don't buy it at all, especially with his lack of involvement in the community after coming out.
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Lungboy posted:Can anyone recommend a good starting point for a Brit who wants to learn about Ireland and its history? Depends on what you want out of it. Are you looking for a whole history of Ireland with relation to English/British occupation, or are you content with the foundation of the modern State?
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Lungboy posted:The further back the better really, i'd like a good general history if possible and then maybe some specific bits on the really important events/people/places. You'd be best starting at 1169 then. You can probably read up the wikipedia pages for anything before that honestly. As for sources, it depends on what you want to invest in! I would recommend The Course of Irish History by Moody and Martin. It has been updated a bunch in recent years. It is basically a textbook, but very readable and gives good insight. I can't really recommend any documentaries or YouTube series, except for Reeling in the Years on RTE, but that is a very modern history of Ireland and exclusively uses archival footage.
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