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Arrhythmia posted:Making people work for you without paying them is evil. hey buddy, did you read the thread? there are some of my posts above yours. I said I’d talk to Rich about it, end of story.
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Unfortunately Art posted:direct ad sales friend. also programmatic. we’re not advertising SA, other brands are advertising on SA, which then creates revenue for us. does that make sense? that's not direct marketing. it's selling ad space
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Isn't an unwillingness to invest in the forums exactly what brought us to this current state of affairs? It seems to me that the opportunity at a fair shake for creating content could create an attractive incentive for new members to sign up and throw their hats in the ring. Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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boar guy posted:that's not direct marketing. it's selling ad space I am facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site. is that clear?
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Unfortunately Art posted:I am facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site. is that clear? yeah if that's the same thing as 'selling banner ads'
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Unfortunately Art posted:hey buddy, did you read the thread? there are some of my posts above yours. I said I’d talk to Rich about it, end of story. Tell me when the situation changes and I'll apologize.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:Isn't an unwillingness to invest in the forums exactly what brought us to this current state of affairs? It seems to me that the opportunity at a fair shake for creating content could create an attractive incentive for new members to sign up and throw their hats in the ring. Precisely.
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Unfortunately Art posted:Precisely. The investment I'm referencing is on the part of the person receiving donations for operating the forums. The Fair shake is paying people that create content that is published by that website for the company's benefit. Not sure if that was completely clear. This community has invested in this website over and over and over again, both through using forums features and by direct contributions to Lowtax. This seems like an ask on the part of the site's administration when it is already benefiting from its patron community. That said I think its good that you're gonna talk to Lowtax about working on the pay process. Outside of that significant fly in the ointment this sounds like a good idea. Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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boar guy posted:yeah if that's the same thing as 'selling banner ads' Whatever, boar guy. You’re being unnecessarily pedantic in a thread about content for the front page. How about you go be pedantic somewhere else in GBS, how’s that grab ya?
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Unfortunately Art posted:I mean I have a whole marketing plan in place to generate new traffic for the site but that is not the purpose of this thread. Where is that thread?
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Unfortunately Art posted:I am facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site. is that clear? No.
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Kawasaki Nun posted:The investment I'm referencing is on the part of the person receiving donations for operating the forums. The Fair shake is paying people that create content that is published by that website for the company's benefit. Not sure if that was completely clear. For the last time: I will talk to Rich about it.
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Unfortunately Art posted:Whatever, boar guy. You’re being unnecessarily pedantic in a thread about content for the front page. How about you go be pedantic somewhere else in GBS, how’s that grab ya? just trying to clarify what's actually being done because it isn't direct marketing
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big nipples big life posted:Where is that thread? I’m not making a thread.
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Thanks for volunteering your time btw, I hope this process takes off.
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I really don't mean to be snarky, but if "facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site" really just means banner ads then that wasn't clear to me either and it'd be more helpful if you'd just said the latter. If it doesn't mean banner ads then alright, but in that case I still don't know what you mean.
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Unfortunately Art posted:I am facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site. is that clear? Also, pay your workers.
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Feb 19, 2020 19:48
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yeah stop using marketing words u don't even understand
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Unfortunately Art posted:Whatever, boar guy. You’re being unnecessarily pedantic in a thread about content for the front page. How about you go be pedantic somewhere else in GBS, how’s that grab ya? lol. incredible.
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guys hear me out: CyberTroll5000
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we will grow integrated initiatives by innovating one-to-one vortals to unleash cross-media channels and enable end-to-end e-business.
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Crimpolioni posted:I really don't mean to be snarky, but if "facilitating direct and programmatic advertising campaigns on this site" really just means banner ads then that wasn't clear to me either and it'd be more helpful if you'd just said the latter. If it doesn't mean banner ads then alright, but in that case I still don't know what you mean. Okay. Here’s how it works. There’s direct advertising, which other brands are looking to do on this site. This means they go back and forth with me, manually, and we agree on a price for what it costs to advertise here or on Gaming Garbage or Murder the Internet. There’s also programmatic advertising, where brands buy ad space on our site. Like at the top and the sides and in AdBot. Sorry if I pissed everybody off by not explaining that. I understand that my mere presence on the forums pisses people off and they think I am wildly incompetent and unqualified for what I do. I simply do not give a gently caress. I’ve said what I have to say in this thread. logan from corporate fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Sounds like a raw deal. Most goons already pull down a decent five figgies from computer work. Maybe you would have better luck seeking writers from Fiverr or indeed.com. Good luck op.
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i think we should get shmorky back working on th eFP
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I'm still not understanding why it matters in the first place whether or not someone only writes one or two articles ever.
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Perhaps a free account giveaway promotion that requires a first submission would be a way to incentivize people to work for an asset that is cheap for the forums to give away? Or other forums upgrades? $50 of cert coupons? Company scrip is not what people crave but its certainly more than nothing, particularly as this process hammers itself out Kawasaki Nun fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 19, 2020 |
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Unfortunately Art posted:Hey guys! Logan here. Well this is going to be a shitshow.
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will something awful llc publish my hip hopera based on the work of simon & garfunkle— 'da trialz & tribulations of 1 rhymin simon + garfunky' ? and if so will vinyl pressings be on the table? i prefer vinyl for its characteristic fidelity
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Dip Viscous posted:I'm still not understanding why it matters in the first place whether or not someone only writes one or two articles ever. I agree it's confusing. Like surely if it's a good article, then having that good article on the website, even by someone who never gets published again, is good. I'm pretty sure the way that people build a roster of writers is by paying everyone once, and then if they write a second article, you pay them again, and then if they write a third article, you pay them for that one, and so on, and eventually, some people have written a lot of articles for you.
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cda posted:I agree it's confusing. Like surely if it's a good article, then having that good article on the website, even by someone who never gets published again, is good. I'm pretty sure the way that people build a roster of writers is by paying everyone once, and then if they write a second article, you pay them again, and then if they write a third article, you pay them for that one, and so on, and eventually, some people have written a lot of articles for you. its almost as if it's a really clumsy scam
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Unfortunately Art posted:Okay. Here’s how it works. There’s direct advertising, which other brands are looking to do on this site. This means they go back and forth with me, manually, and we agree on a price for what it costs to advertise here or on Gaming Garbage or Murder the Internet. Are you aware of adblockers, right?
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Selling ads. That's the big plan to save the website.
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P-Mack posted:Selling ads. That's the big plan to save the website. don't forget the unpaid labor.
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The Hard Times is probably the closest thing to what you want SA's front page to be like and they pay $50 an article the moment the article is published, with tax forms and everything automatically generated for the freelancer. Also they take submissions from anyone and hire people based on providing five funny headlines rather than having to do months of unpaid full articles with the promise of possibly making money in the future. There is literally no reason for any aspiring comedy writer to choose SA over them, especially when they have a much larger reader base and greater social media engagement. They even let other sites use their freelancer payment processing for free and it's basically become the standard so lack of in-house technology is not an excuse for not paying people. https://twitter.com/MattSaincome/status/1098053527551627264
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Jesus loving christ you people are just looking for things to bitch about. I've always, always, ALWAYS paid writers for this site. There have always, always, ALWAYS been a two month trial period, because I learned around 2002 or so that people would take the money and disappear. By having a trial period, we are able to filter out the people who are and who are not consistent and reliable, and are interested in writing in a scheduled manner for SA. It's literally been like this for two decades now. None of this will be affecting the forums. I know outrage and drama is really cool and great and helpful right now, and people are bitching for absolutely any reason to put down any plans we have for the front page, but perhaps you don't recall the days when forum users bitched that the money from the forums went to pay writers for the front page, because the money was supposed to apparently go directly back to the forums, because the purchaser(s) did not read the front page. None of this poo poo affects any of you. None of this poo poo will change the forums in any way. This is all an attempt to at least bring in *SOME* ad revenue from the front page, and I'm hiring people based on the exact same qualifications and standards I always have. loving lay off the dramatic hyperboles of "unpaid labor" and "ads will save the site," because this poo poo is absolutely primarily targeted to a completely different section of the site, one you do not interact with, and one that generates nearly ZERO income. Compare any front page article on SA to any article on CNN or VICE or whatever. Count the number of ads we display there compared to them. Then feel free to gently caress off with your retarded pedantry and pointless bitching.
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So, to be clear, if someone wrote 2 articles in a 2 week period, then didn’t write anymore, would they be paid for those 2 articles even though they stopped writing?
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Sleeveless posted:The Hard Times is probably the closest thing to what you want SA's front page to be like and they pay $50 an article the moment the article is published, with tax forms and everything automatically generated for the freelancer. Also they take submissions from anyone and hire people based on providing five funny headlines rather than having to do months of unpaid full articles with the promise of possibly making money in the future. There is literally no reason for any aspiring comedy writer to choose SA over them, especially when they have a much larger reader base and greater social media engagement. They even let other sites use their freelancer payment processing for free and it's basically become the standard so lack of in-house technology is not an excuse for not paying people. If you want $50 up front and it's all about getting cash quick for you, fine, go to The Hard Times. We're a truly indie site and have always been, and have never partnered with large companies like Vice Media, so we scrape by as well as we can. A month or two of free work to show you're not going to flake out and are dedicated to to the job, leads to $40 per article from then on. It's loving ridiculous to compare us to the Hard Times because we've never gone for the cheap "JOKE IS IN THE HEADLINE PLZ SPREAD VIRAL" poo poo, and trust me, we don't have any cash from Vice nor do we have 300+ writers.
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Lowtax posted:A month or two of free work to show you're not going to flake out and are dedicated to to the job, leads to $40 per article from then on. It's loving ridiculous (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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woozy pawsies posted:So, to be clear, if someone wrote 2 articles in a 2 week period, then didn’t write anymore, would they be paid for those 2 articles even though they stopped writing?
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