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Do you include the payment for that first month of labor in that first payment or is it actually working nothing?
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Feb 19, 2020 21:39
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The "indie" aspect is irrelevant. It doesn't matter how small or big you are, all companies pay for requested labor. If you pay for a published article and the writer chooses not to write another you got exactly what you paid for, which is the article.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:40
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i think that writers would want to keep working for you if you paid them for their articles, personally
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Feb 19, 2020 21:40
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mycophobia posted:i feel like you're not going to attract many writers with this policy
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Feb 19, 2020 21:41
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I am not trying to bitch or whine or piss you off, Lowtax, but I think that if you told people you would pay for any article published it would get a lot more people to throw one or two your way. Not everyone can churn out good content at a fast rate for a number of reasons. So what if you only get 1/year from someone? if you get enough of those, you have a lot of content! Bad articles don't get published and don't get paid. Good articles do. It feels like the focus on retention is going to seriously hinder attempts. What does it matter (serious question) if its 30 from one author or 1 each from 30? Honestly, truly trying to help. I want this place to prosper and you with it.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:44
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Lowtax posted:Pay begins at two months of work. Always been that way. Always will be that way. We were paying people for writing back in the mid 2000s when volunteers got paid absolutely ZERO for their contributions. We can't just suddenly change all our policies because hey, some site financed by Vice is paying more. We can't fucken compete with Vice. If any of you want me to start paying like Vice's / The Hard Time's model works, then cool, get me a loving contact there and we'll join up with them and offer the same benefits. Until then, you're gonna have to realize you're dealing with an absolutely indie site with ZERO ties to anything corporate, and we cannot compete with that. "Always been that way" is not helpful when you are searching for labor, especially given how patchy has been the front page content across the later years. Although admitting that payment does come after "a month or two" sets what to expect, it is not good optics and you would maybe attract more writers if payment were not after an up to two months delay. Hell, I'd say you'd get more writers as unpaid volunteers than with a sketchy looking payment after two months.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:45
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mycophobia posted:i think that writers would want to keep working for you if you paid them for their articles, personally Stop this whole loving "SA doesn't pay its writers." Ask literally ANY writer or former writer if they've been paid. 100% of them will say yes, and they were always paid on time. This is loving ridiculous and you people seem to have brain issues.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:45
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Lowtax posted:Then oh well, it will fail. I'm not sure exactly what else I can do to change this policy we've had for two decades now, since we're an independent site. Paying a writer $40 for an article, that grosses less than $3.00 in our current ad setup, is not a winning financial outcome. If that's the case then I think it might me more worthwhile to focus on the forums, that seems to be where the real money's at Also considering the major changes the site's undergone in the past few months I don't think "it's always been this way" is going to cut it as a justification
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Feb 19, 2020 21:47
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Regarding scheduling, how many pieces are generally considered to be in one month of writing for a single writer? Is it sort of a stable-based scenario that relies on how many other writers are submitting work as well, or is it a set schedule for everyone regardless?
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Feb 19, 2020 21:48
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qnqnx posted:"Always been that way" is not helpful when you are searching for labor, especially given how patchy has been the front page content across the later years.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:49
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CharlestonJew posted:If that's the case then I think it might me more worthwhile to focus on the forums, that seems to be where the real money's at The Hard Times pays $50 IF they accept your article. We pay $40 FOR EVERY ARTICLE after an intern period. Yall are beyond insane if you think this is a huge dealbreaker and somehow SA is to compete with VICE.
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Feb 19, 2020 21:54
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:Regarding scheduling, how many pieces are generally considered to be in one month of writing for a single writer? Is it sort of a stable-based scenario that relies on how many other writers are submitting work as well, or is it a set schedule for everyone regardless?
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Anyway I'm closing this thread because the arguments being made here are like beyond the scope of reasonable logic, and it's going absolutely nowhere.
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