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eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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SerCypher posted:

So its official the US is diplomatically boycotting the olympics.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59556613

Regardless of whether or not this is actually a big deal or important, china is going to get real mad about it.

What do you think their next step will be? Ban US athletes?




if you headline this as the Soviets but the U.S. headline brought DEFCON to 2 and then they boycott, you start the nuclear war and auto-lose

perhaps not a relevant derail but also a “diplomatic boycott” seems like a pretty irrelevant derail anyway

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eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Seth Pecksniff posted:

A population that size is massively unmanageable, even with Chinese style surveillance. It's simply a matter of time until something drops that causes unrest

Of course China hands have probably said this for 40 years but I swear it's different this time!

there's unrest in china all the time. granted its usually locals loving up and Beijing has to come in and fix it, but there have been pretty widespread cases of unrest that force things to change, like hukou reform

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Vincent Van Goatse posted:

go away until you stop posting like this

at least offer him tea

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Solaris 2.0 posted:

Hong Kong: Legco voting underway after electoral overhaul https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59717343

Hmm doesn’t seem very socialist/communist to me.

the British sure left their mark on HK if they still have business votes like the City lol

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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It’s not much, but as a with any side hustle you have to stack them up. Once China, Russia, Iran, and Venezuela are all paying you, it starts to add up

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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How are u posted:

That's an interesting act, what do you call it?

The Greyzone! :shrek:

nah if you’re a journo (or SA mod lol) you get the big bux whether it’s from oligarchs or the NED. Like driving Uber Black

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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as a Objectivist child (I mean literally a child in 8th grade) I remember hating In the Pond because it was a feel good David vs Goliath story about people overcoming corruption against the odds . . . But they didn’t destroy communism?!?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Devils Affricate posted:

Is there even a pattern here? It just seems random.

I took me a minute

they vaguely look like the Latin letters

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Seth Pecksniff posted:

There's never been a famine in China. China has always fed its people. Nobody goes hungry, nobody goes homeless. It is a model utopia. If only the world could learn from China and its greatness, but sadly it's not to be.

you do realize that the K in DPRK stands for Korea and not Khina, right?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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my homie dhall posted:

certainly he could not be talking about China, a country that has famously never had a famine

seems a little weird to claim that China has done BETTER than the CCP claims and to call them liars for acknowledging famine in China. Isn’t that a tankie thing?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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lol Eileen Gu isn’t getting cancelled for making western social media posts about what it’s like for Chinese mainlanders who use western social media. like what next, Chen Weihua is gonna go to a reeducation camp for shitposting on twitter?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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my homie dhall posted:

do you think chen weihua has to use a proxy to shitpost on twitter?

No but the point is that the CCP could try a lot harder to crack down on VPNs than they do but they don’t care. it’s not a 1984 North Korea triple secret iron curtain regime. You do realize that (well aside from COVID restrictions now) you can like, just book a plane ticket to China? And Chinese people can go to other countries? The government can’t and doesn’t try to suppress everything; they just bluntly shape the discourse by censoring what most people see in public. If they were relying on not actually letting people access censored poo poo at all, they’ve been failing for decades. But their actual goal of minimizing discontent through censorship is both possible and not terribly threatened by kids going on instagram

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

Saying "they could be worse" is not the argument you seem to think it is.

calm down I’m not defending shelling parliament with tanks here I’m just pointing out that gu saying to use a vpn isn’t a big deal

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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McGavin posted:

I dunno, China doesn't have the greatest track record of keeping its embassies safe during military actions.

I can’t see why China would do anything that would give Russia a reason to bomb them though in this case

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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MarcusSA posted:

Like I’m sure the program exists on paper but does it actually exist in practice?

I’m curious if it’s ever been tested.

It has been tested in Henan even, but part of the issue is that in China you aren’t allowed to make deposits in rural banks outside your province, so the majority of the people who can’t get their money out also aren’t covered by deposit insurance.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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On the other hand Genshin Impact is absolutely the apotheosis of Japanese videogames that somehow got made in China

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Grand Fromage posted:

With the preface that I'm just inferring. Banks in China are like anywhere, they invest the money they get rather than just keeping it all in a pile somewhere. But investment options in China are very limited and by far the largest option is real estate. The real estate market has been collapsing for a while, and so the banks in question were heavily invested in property and have lost all that in the chaos, they have no money.

So we'll see if their bank deposit insurance is real or not at some point here.

It was really just a simple Madoff style scam it seems, offering above-market interest rates they could never actually pay. The rub is that by law only local depositors were allowed to put their money in, but the banks (probably intentionally) attracted investment from outside the area through online brokers. Using a third party to put money into a bank isn’t covered by deposit insurance, and presumably that’s why the banks thought they’d get away with it, but they just didn’t count on protestors actually showing up. So now it’s a mess with the local government fighting Beijing over who has to pay whom and how much (as in for example ideally the brokers should all lose their shirts, but how can you be sure which deposits were legitimate)

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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3D Megadoodoo posted:

China is a buffer nation between Finland and Korea.

G7
NAM
BRICS
Altaic Union

their first leader will henceforth be known as the Square Watermelon Seller

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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BaldDwarfOnPCP posted:

Pretty normal reaction to Pelosi

早上午 周日上午

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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I was recently informed by an eccentric Thai baccarat player that, despite initially thinking it was a random moniker like Chinese Chess, Thai sticks are really from Thailand, as evidenced him procuring one in America wrapped in a Thai newspaper that isn’t sold here

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Vegetable posted:

Isn’t Chinese Chess from China?

Oh whoops yeah I meant checkers. I even play a little xiangqi (shogi is better though)

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Ups_rail posted:

Interesting.

You d think countries would want to follow something like the german model where the more skilled/educated your work force is the more wealth they can generate.

If china wishes to continue its development you d think they would put more on education and not less.

Like after the pandemic it d make sense to educate/train more medical people

The whole idea is to do the opposite of the German model and not create different tiers of opportunity. The ideal (hopefully) is to invest more in public education. I mean, would you say someone against charter schools is anti-education?

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Ups_rail posted:

Isnt that the current system in china with those entrance tests?

Yeah you’re right; it already is pretty messed up. What I should’ve said is that they shouldn’t emulate the German pattern where you’re almost certainly going to be on the same track as your parents

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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DJ_Mindboggler posted:

Thanks. My intuition is on net unbiased (or at least, seemingly unbiased) courts would be a gain for regime legitimacy, but frankly I'm not familiar enough with face culture to say that with any certainty. Regarding bullshit offenses like "preventing harmony," it seems like the sort of thing you could accomplish with seemingly innocuous quality-of-life laws (like loitering and the like in the US) that are enforced arbitrarily. Shove the bias downstream to law enforcement and away from the courts themselves.

The whole idea of independent judiciaries is that individual (and corporate) rights trump political considerations, for better and for worse. This can be good (I have a right to express dissent) and bad (government fat cats can’t tell me not to dump toxic waste into the river). In either case, it’s explicitly against the governing philosophy in China

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Scam Likely posted:

If a random tourist accidentally wore a Winnie the Pooh t-shirt through Chinese immigration would they be denied entry into the country?

Serious question.

Peng Shuai shared photos with a Winnie the Pooh plushie in the background while she was supposedly drinking tea. I don’t think it’s actually a thing any more.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Marshal Prolapse posted:

https://twitter.com/flash43191300/status/1564968613055954944?s=21&t=pYSV3beKoprYI4tiJvmjVA

This vaguely reminds me of how the top female executive at Japanese rail was a cat.

I’m not satisfied until an actual corporeal android gets physical possession of the company chop

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Strategic Tea posted:

I hope this brave comrade continues to confront random people on the street about politics and 'true socialism', a very good idea in the People's Republic of China.

And that bear’s name was….Xi Jinping

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Methylethylaldehyde posted:

A lot of people just assume that "wealthy coastal city with strong middle class" is representative of the entirety of china. Suddenly "OMG, they have like a billion people ~just like that~, they're gonna take over any day now!" makes sense to the people who were spoon fed data points that support that simplification.

To be fair with how American media works, that’s how we assume every country works. it’s just that in most countries that minority is pro-west, and China is the huge exception.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Snowy posted:

I was checking out the mooncake isle at a grocery store in Flushing Queens and holy poo poo there’s some expensive boxes of mooncakes.

I say this as someone with zero knowledge of mooncakes

The casino where I work had a big moon festival drawing for baccarat regulars and announced the small winners who got a few hundred bucks “and a box of moon cakes” and then the winner of the grand prize who got a few thousand bucks “and a box of moon cakes” and I thought those must be some drat good moon cakes if they bother to include them in the grand prize too

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Tomn posted:

Isn't the issue less the fact that there's a lot of cars and more that they all funnel down into a tiny narrow bottleneck near the top of the picture?

Yeah but only having 4 lanes of tollbooth would be much, much, much worse unless you live in the bizarro universe where zipper merging causes traffic

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Preechr posted:

Either I’m reading this sentencing incorrectly or they’re putting him on a suspended death sentence for 2 years (so if he fucks up at any point in the next two years they immediately carry out the sentence) and then if he makes it past the 2 year mark he just gets to die in prison.

Death (soon-to-be) Recorded

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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The cool fringe theory is that COVID is from Italy anyway

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Ups_rail posted:

Is Xi more popular than jesus?

Are there any big religious figures whose whole Deal was being staid instead of charismatic? ascetics don’t count imho

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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hypnophant posted:

how will society survive if we don’t hold child soldiers accountable for their war crimes

its sickening how many countries out there are still pro-child soldier, like Canada, which opposed the torture of child soldiers

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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It’s not as bold as the time they imprisoned George W. Bush

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Grand Fromage posted:

Participation in Malign Schemes is a pretty good charge though, I like when they have fun names.

It’s honestly a lot like the crazy translations of Chinese crimes

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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sticksy posted:

On another note - I'm scared to ask but what has been the Very Online tankies reaction to Xi's power move over the weekend?

As one of the wumao tankies myself I don't think it makes sense as a Saddamesque power move. Xi let him vote but then purged him publicly, for the foreign public only, not the Chinese public, at the closing ceremony? Maybe Xi didn't want him to come at all and planned on just citing "health problems" but Hu insisted on coming anyway--and either really he did have health problems, or else Xi got fed up with him and had him removed publicly as rebuke for not getting the message. The actual power move would be implicitly putting the lack of decorum on Hu's shoulders. Even in the latter case though I still really doubt it was all a setup. It's not the CCP style and it's not Xi's style.

It's still a bad look because Xi is obviously going to buck the anti-gerontocracy rules soon enough though lol

A ton of the articles saying it's an obvious power move also mentioned Li Keqiang being ousted from the Standing Committee--an actual news story with implications for Chinese power dynamics--which got glossed over by essentially lying and saying he was removed as Premier without mentioning that he had already announced his retirement at the end of his term.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Criss-cross posted:

So the tankie position is that Xi is a bumbling moron that simply lucked into a power move, as power moves are not "his style". Got it.

Xi carefully worked his way not only to the top but accumulated more power than any of his predecessors since Mao. The most significant move in this Congress was entirely sidelining the Shanghai clique. If it were Jiang that got manhandled it would make sense, but it wasn’t. It was Hu.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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The Cubelodyte posted:

Does anybody outside the CCP and tankie circles argue with a straight face that the PRC is still communist?

anyone who believes in Socialism with Chinese Characteristics is a tankie by definition so your question is kind of like asking if anyone who isn't Christian argues the doctrine of the Trinity with a straight face

iirc the CCP's plan is to implement Full Communism by 2070 which is obv not going to happen but i think theyre actually going to make some progress nonetheless. its pretty hard to argue that Xi hasnt been more of a commie than Deng

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eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

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Dandywalken posted:

idk if this is true tbh unless we are doing the weird GBS tankie thing

"tankie" these days has grown to include anyone who defends any flawed socialism as preferable to an alternative, so basically any actually existing socialism anywhere ever

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