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Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

fool of sound posted:

:siren:Hey, the general election thread will be going up soonish, but in the meantime, the rules on talking about the general are in abeyance. Electorialism is also going to be inevitable. However, focus your arguments on candidates, not posters. Do not accuse posters of being Trump lovers in disguise for voting Green or whatever. Do not accuse posters of wanting minorities to be slaughtered because of their choice of candidate. Do not accuse posters of being pro-rape or anti-science or whatever else. Criticize candidates and campaigns. Post "Biden is a senile creep who supports X policies that harm the poor", post "The Greens pander to idiot anti-vaxxers, here's the proof", post "I think that in the long run it is better to vote Dem/not vote Dem and this is why", ect. Put arguments on trial, not posters. :siren:

This is kind of a trial run for if a thread can handle debating voting and candidate preferences in a constructive way. How people behave will directly affect how strict the general election thread rules will be. Please try to not be jackasses. Thanks all.

The Iowa caucuses are on February 3rd! That's next loving Monday! This primary we've been obsessively following for months and months is finally getting started! New thread!

Thread-specific rules, some of which are probably redundant now that the main D&D rules have been updated, but I don't feel like going through them right now:
  1. The rule that all probations must be three days or longer is being lifted. It will now be entirely possible to catch a sixer or dayprobe in this thread. On the other hand, this means that probations will be handed out more often than before. In the past, a lot of low-level rulebreaking tended to go overlooked here just because it really wasn't worth giving a whole three days for. With sixers back in the toolbox, the threshold for taking mod action is going to get noticeably lower. This will hopefully catch a lot of the low-intensity trolling and habitual shitposting that people got away with before.

  2. We're also officially implementing a popular D&D rule suggestion here: ramping up probation lengths for repeat offenders. Someone who keeps doing the same poo poo over and over no matter how many times they get probed for it will find that they'll be getting longer and longer probes for the same behavior, and if they still keep doing it then their punishment could eventually ramp up to a thread ban or actual bans.

  3. If someone disagrees with you on something, do not immediately jump to calling them a paid shill, a troll, or too stupid to live. As 2020 inches closer, we're getting more and more visitors who just don't pay that much attention to politics and aren't necessarily up-to-date on every single thing that's happened in the last several months of early primary jockeying. I'm going to try to update the OP to get things more up-to-date on the current state of the primary and what candidates have been up to, but just the same, we're going to get a lot of people who don't really know what's going on besides what they saw in a few media articles. Cut them a little slack, it's hard for people who aren't politics junkies to keep up with the race, especially with how many lies and flip-flops most of the field have been up to lately.

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The 2020 Democratic Primaries are an utter clowncar poo poo show. A number of candidates are running, and most of them are jokes. Most have dropped out:

SKULL.GIF posted:

We've come such a long way...

  • Ojeda
  • Swalwell
  • Gravel
  • Hickenlooper
  • Inslee
  • Moulton
  • Gillibrand
  • de Blasio
  • Ryan
  • O'Rourke
  • Messam
  • Sestak
  • Bullock
  • Harris
  • Castro
  • Williamson
  • Booker
  • Delaney
  • Yang
  • Bennet
  • Patrick
  • Steyer
  • Buttigieg
  • Klobuchar
  • Gabbard
  • Warren
  • Bloomberg
  • Biden
  • Bernie Sanders

quote:

Summary of the candidates



Joe Biden

You've heard about this guy. But if you only started paying attention to politics over the last decade, you've probably heard about the guy who stood next to Obama doing nothing for eight years while the Onion invented a parody character based on him. Unfortunately, that's not the Joe Biden who's running for president. The Joe Biden who's running for president is the Joe Biden who opposed anti-segregation busing, the Joe Biden who made student loans bankruptcy-proof, the Joe Biden who gave Strom Thurmond's eulogy, the Joe Biden who invades womens' personal space without consent at every opportunity, the Joe Biden who ran twice for president only to fail miserably both times, and the Joe Biden who still defends all of that and insists that he's never done anything wrong in his entire life. His primary campaign platform is based on working with Republicans, and he's openly declared that he's convinced that Mitch McConnell will work with him to pass bipartisan progressive legislation.

Despite many stupid moves, ranging from racism to praising Republicans to being unable to remember the names of anyone who entered politics after 2000 (including a certain former President), he's the frontrunner by a wide margin right now, to the dismay of pretty much everyone left of Bush, and most of the candidates are gunning for him right now.


Bernie Sanders

The guy everyone either loves to love or loves to hate, the independent self-proclaimed socialist Senator from Vermont who challenged Clinton in 2016 needs no introduction. He's been the fairly consistent #2 in polls, and unlike Biden, his speech performance hasn't declined despite his age or his recent heart attack. He's also the only one who's still sticking to Medicare For All; most of the other candidates that supported it have noticeably drifting right on healthcare as the elections draw closer. Everyone knows who this guy is, and I'm sure there'll be plenty of talk about him.


Elizabeth Warren

A lawyer, Harvard professor, and Massachusetts senator, she's most famous for her pro-consumer advocacy and being the driving force between the creation of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. Her history as a Republican who changed parties in the 90s and her openly identifying as a capitalist have made it difficult to win over the leftists and socialists most likely to support her pro-consumer economic policies. On top of that, her campaign has made a lot of dumb moves, such as putting a list of negative rumors about her on her website, and advising her to take a DNA test to see if she really had Native American ancestry that could be used to justify her identifying as a native for much of her life.

She briefly rose to frontrunner status on the strength of her closer ties to establishment figures and the perception that she was a more electable leftist, but her polls have been in freefall since she essentially abandoned Medicare For All and watered down most of her other left-leaning policies.


Pete Buttigieg

The Harvard-educated mayor of South Bend, Indiana, this guy has been treated as a young Democratic rising star for a couple years now. He's reasonably charismatic and the media absolutely loves him, but he has a preference for talking inspirational fluff rather than politics, and he doesn't have much of a political record to look at. Is gay and married. His support has been surging in recent months as he's largely stolen Beto's role, but his base is overwhelmingly white so far.

A number of serious racism scandals in South Bend have thrown his failure to win over minorities into the spotlight, and the fact that big billionaire donors have largely rallied around him has drawn him a lot of fire from the candidates that have rejected billionaire donations.


Andrew Yang

A serial entrepeneur and venture capitalist, this is his first entry into politics. Even though he's an East Coaster, his policies are about what you'd expect from a Silicon Valley character. He often identifies the problems facing society, only to come up with solutions that are either badly flawed or downright stupid, like combating bad laws by passing a Constitutional amendment forcing all laws to have an automatic expiration date. Unfortunately, the demographic he's been most successful with are extremely online conservatives, who love his meme-heavy campaign and his inclination to talk about the problems most politicians tend to ignore (like AI and automation), and he's responding by being more appealing to them and going on their favorite shows and stuff.

His most famous and most widely advertised issue is the "Freedom Dividend", a UBI proposal that would give everyone $1k a month...except that you have to give up any other government benefits to get it, so the poor will benefit less than everyone else.

He's not polling well, but his willingness to talk about issues that no one else really wants to talk about make him a bit of a wildcard. It's unlikely he'll win, but he might be able to become a Ron Paul-style meme candidate...except that if the debate is any indication, he's not that great a speaker either.




Cory Booker

Former mayor of Newark and current Senator of New Jersey. His hands-on approach as mayor got him plenty of good press for things like personally saving a person from a burning house, but that's largely been eclipsed by some dicey political stances, most famously when he bucked the Obama campaign to defend Romney and Bain Capital from the Obama campaign's cruel attacks against private equity funds. He's liberal on social issues, but conservative on most economic issues, and his close relationship to Wall Street and the healthcare industry is unlikely to win many friends on these forums.

In the primary so far, he's mostly campaigned as a moderate, resisting Medicare for All and talking up the virtues of compromise and bipartisan cooperation. However, he's drawn some attention by attacking Biden for talking too much about the virtues of compromise and bipartisan cooperation with segregationists and white supremacists, and for repeatedly pointing to the disparity between his coverage and Pete's coverage. His debates performance were generally considered to be solid, but not stunning. He no longer qualifies for debates, though, and his days are numbered.


Julián Castro

Former mayor of San Antonio, and HUD secretary under the Obama administration. Beloved by the political establishment, but that hasn't translated to much support among the media or on the ground. His highlight issues are universal pre-kindergarden and lead cleanup; other than that, he talks a very liberal talk on social policies and supports moderate incremental improvements in economic issues.

He's released plenty of detailed policy plans, but he's so far failed to gain any real traction. He's done well in the debates; this longtime rising star may be one to watch.

Also, he has a twin brother in Congress, so if you want hilarious place-changing hijinks like in a bunch of B-grade 90s comedies, this should be your #1 pick.


Tulsi Gabbard

An Iraq War veteran, and a House member in Hawaii since 2013. Unusually for an American politician, she's economically leftist but leans hard right on social issues, which leads to a lot of Ron Paul-style unusual positions, such as anti-interventionism. Her most famous issue these days is probably her open hatred for Muslims, but she spent much of the 00s openly anti-LGBT as well and supported conversion therapy and banning gay marriage. Despite being a sitting member of Congress, she refused to vote for impeaching Trump, and her increasingly erratic campaign appears to have little chance of further progress.

Often appears wearing plant life in some form, possibly indicating that she is secretly a druid.


Amy Klobuchar

A former prosecutor who, having served as a senator in Minnesota for over a decade, has gotten a lot of media buzz as the bipartisan moderate candidate who might win back the red-leaning states in the Midwest by attracting conservative votes. However, despite the pundits' predictions and lots of early media buzz, she's failed to gain much traction and hasn't brought anything interesting to the policy table. So far, her campaign's biggest headline-grabber has been leaks about her horrible treatment of staff, bullying and terrorizing them. Most famous for reportedly eating a salad with a comb, and then forcing a staffer to wash that comb as punishment for forgetting her fork.

Made reporters wait out in a snowstorm for her announcement. And there were a lot of them there, since she was supposed to be the pundits' Great Midwestern Hope.


Marianne Williamson

An author and activist whose only political history is finishing fourth in a House race in California. Despite that, she's got better positions than at least half the candidates on this stage...for the most part. She wouldn't be out of place in the Green Party, mixing strong progressive policies like M4A and the Green New Deal with downright wacky stuff like antivax talk.

Her signature issue is reparations for slavery, having come out with the earliest and biggest proposal.

She's not a serious contender for the presidency, but her mixture of cool and crazy talk has earned her a meme fanbase after the debates. She hasn't been a big player for a while, I honestly forgot she was still in.




Tom Steyer

Michael Bloomberg

Two billionaires, both self-funding their campaigns and spending tens of millions of dollars on furious advertising blitzes. One's been publicly bolstering their media image by buying pro-impeachment ads for months, the other owns their own media empire. Steyer qualifies for the debates, Bloomberg doesn't. They both suck.


Here lie the names of the fallen, those who have dropped out:


Beto O'Rourke

Kamala Harris
probably some people I forgot about because they never mattered enough to mention in the first place

Somebody fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Apr 14, 2020

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mutata
Mar 1, 2003

Berine's gonna win.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008
1) Bernhard

2) Saunters

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
im a delaney boy

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

RIP Booker and Castro, too Forgotten to even be Defeated.

Also Marianne.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


At least mention that Steyer really wants to be Bernie’s friend

drawkcab si eman ym
Jan 2, 2006

Yang is arguing for eminent domain.

cool kids inc.
May 27, 2005

I swallowed a bug

I need a Sandman victory.

Spiffster
Oct 7, 2009

I'm good... I Haven't slept for a solid 83 hours, but yeah... I'm good...


Lipstick Apathy
With the impeachment trial most likely wrapping up the total sham it was inevitably going to be, time to kick this into full gear and say something really controversial...

Bernie is gonna win and kick Trumps rear end

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Op should include the onion stuff

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute
So please correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I'm understanding about the first three primaries right now:

Iowa: Nobody really knows, it's probably going to be one of Biden or Sanders, and which it is will depend largely on if the expected increase in young and first time caucus goers pans out or not.

NH: Bernie is going to win unless the polls are completely hosed.

Nevada: If Bernie wins Iowa and NH, the momentum could swing Nevada his way. Otherwise it's probably going to go to Biden.

Super Tuesday: :supaburn: Unless a candidate (again, probably Bernie or Biden) manages to sweep all three of the above and build enough momentum to look like the clear front runner.

Built 4 Cuban Linux
Jul 15, 2007

i own america

Sydin posted:

So please correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I'm understanding about the first three primaries right now:

Iowa: Nobody really knows, it's probably going to be one of Biden or Sanders, and which it is will depend largely on if the expected increase in young and first time caucus goers pans out or not.

NH: Bernie is going to win unless the polls are completely hosed.

Nevada: If Bernie wins Iowa and NH, the momentum could swing Nevada his way. Otherwise it's probably going to go to Biden.

Super Tuesday: :supaburn: Unless a candidate (again, probably Bernie or Biden) manages to sweep all three of the above and build enough momentum to look like the clear front runner.

yes

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Sir Tonk posted:

im a delaney boy

You are Delausional

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Cool, thanks. I will now officially spend my free time from now until Monday night drinking and ignoring polls and political pundits. :cheers:

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

https://twitter.com/LeahButtigieg/status/1223011819901591552?s=20

These people are unwell.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Sydin posted:

Cool, thanks. I will now officially spend my free time from now until Monday night drinking and ignoring polls and political pundits. :cheers:

Good call. Obama won Iowa despite Hillary leading; Kerry won despite Dean leading; Santorum surged (lol) even though Romney was polling ahead; basically nobody fuckin knows

Bushido Brown
Mar 30, 2011

Can you correct Warren's bit? She's not Harvard-educated. (Just was a Harvard Prof.)

She's a Rutgers grad. Is my pointing this out petty? Yes. That said, people who live by braindead credentialism should die by braindead credentialism.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

It's nice to know that Pete supporters are no more self-aware now than they've ever been.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Sydin posted:

So please correct me if I'm wrong, but here's what I'm understanding about the first three primaries right now:

Iowa: Nobody really knows, it's probably going to be one of Biden or Sanders, and which it is will depend largely on if the expected increase in young and first time caucus goers pans out or not.

NH: Bernie is going to win unless the polls are completely hosed.

Nevada: If Bernie wins Iowa and NH, the momentum could swing Nevada his way. Otherwise it's probably going to go to Biden.

Super Tuesday: :supaburn: Unless a candidate (again, probably Bernie or Biden) manages to sweep all three of the above and build enough momentum to look like the clear front runner.

I am cautiously optimistic about Super Tuesday based on the latest polls, but so much is going to happen between now and then.

Also, South Carolina is one of those things, and it's a relatively safe Biden state.

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014


Thinking abt if the media gave the same attention to anything Biden tries to say that they gave to Howard Dean’s byeahhhh scream

Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007
Biden’s staff won’t even let him take questions on Social Security anymore, he’s just handing out a leaflet with talking points on it to any member of the press that asks about SS.

THIS is the man that the MSM thinks is best equipped to take on Trump. :psyduck:

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
Looking forward to Bernie crushing in Iowa. Let's start this train a'rolling.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004


Out here, everything hurts.




Rooting for Sanders on Monday.

I'm currently playing the Tom Steyer drinking game. I bought a good bottle of whiskey last month, and every day I go home and check the mail.

If I have a campaign flyer from Steyer, I don't have a drink.

The bottle is still sealed.

Mat Cauthon
Jan 2, 2006

The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.



https://twitter.com/KrillTusk/status/1223110723041030146?s=19

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I remember 2015.

2015 feels so, so long ago. Decades ago.

I can't believe we're actually only a few days from the Iowa primary.

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





just chiming to say:

bernie sanders is going to be your next president and husband

goethe.cx
Apr 23, 2014



Ok I’m telling everyone I support Biden now

droll
Jan 9, 2020

by Azathoth

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

just chiming to say:

bernie sanders is going to be your next president and husband

I find this hard to believe. Can you provide me any evidence of this? Preferably animu format.

gandlethorpe
Aug 16, 2008

:gowron::m10:
After Bernie wins Iowa, can we get "Yeah, good. Ok" as the thread title?

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Bernie and I are in love.

volts5000
Apr 7, 2009

It's electric. Boogie woogie woogie.
I can't believe 12 months has come down to four days. My nerves are loving shot.

Been playing some games the kids got for Christmas to relax.

Freakazoid_
Jul 5, 2013


Buglord
...and we're going to South Dakota and Oregon and Washington and Michigan, and then we're going to Washington, D.C., to take back the White House!

Yeah, good. ok.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

goethe.cx posted:

Ok I’m telling everyone I support Biden now

Finally their campaign does something relatable

tiberion02
Mar 26, 2007

People tend to make the common mistake of believing that a situation will last forever.
OP - where is our Deval Patrick write-up... he's in it to win it, baby!

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.
Can't donate cause I'm a dirty skip but putting some money down (unless someone wants to ship me a shirt and I'll paypal them)

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Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

You gotta hand it to Biden

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

I am the Wizard Master
https://twitter.com/MaryMargOlohan/status/1222909766462320641?s=20

Thoughts on this?

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


100% something that she won't follow through on. It sounds good in the moment but will inevitably get walked back when possible like with M4A.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.


She could just hire a trans person for the job if she's that concerned about it?

Also trans people are a fairly diverse community. If your trans-identifying interviewer is a random shitlib there to rubber-stamp your appointee as having some sort of official trans person approval that's not going to help anybody.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

its weird and bad

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