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Failed Imagineer posted:Lol John Delaney dropped out. Goodnight you HRT-lovin' , Aetna-loving, Wallace and Gromit-rear end bald turd. Delaney was just about the perfect distillation of out-of-touch liberal. He was the "No, it's the voters who are wrong" meme personified. I'm glad he's dead.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:I am probably late to this but in 1995, a california Congress member Duke Cunningham talked about "homos in the military" and said to a female congress member "sit down you socialist" and Bernie just goes hard at him. How long until this becomes oppo research about how Sanders angrily yelled about "Homos in the military" in congress?
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Feb 1, 2020 19:25
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Nairbo posted:https://twitter.com/marston4ca42/status/1223633192680210432?s=21 Really doesn't take much for these people to take their masks off, does it? https://twitter.com/dunkrug/status/1223922846411313152
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Feb 2, 2020 13:44
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kidkissinger posted:i'm all in, the membership is going to break ranks hard on this Apparently there's a grassroots revolt in the works, if this is accurate. https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1228003132766130176
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Feb 13, 2020 23:11
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Stonelegs posted:Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice, so it doesn't matter.
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Feb 14, 2020 02:36
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Josh Lyman posted:MSNBC saying Bernie hasn’t been vetted Their fear makes them cling to their Corporate Approved Talking Points (TM) that much tighter. Looking at Politico results right now, Biden's down to 17.8%.
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Feb 23, 2020 00:21
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Herewaard posted:Sore loser laws make this the worst electoral strategy of all time I thought those laws didn't apply to presidential races in most states?
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Feb 23, 2020 00:41
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I'm a bit surprised that Sanders' lead in MI isn't bigger, but I suppose there's still time for him to gain.
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Feb 23, 2020 16:48
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kidkissinger posted:Castro did nothing wrong He was decidedly not-great on gay rights prior to the 80's, but luckily that was a flaw he recognized and started working against from the 80's onward. The treatment of homosexuals in early revolutionary Cuba was something he said was his biggest regret. So that's one thing.
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Feb 24, 2020 03:51
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Were it anyone but Biden, I'd say weed. But I'm pretty sure he's sincere when he thinks it's a gateway drug. Also his family was killed by a drink driver and I bet he thinks weed and alcohol are the same thing I know this is pages and pages back, but this is false and it bothers me when I see it brought up. Biden's tried to claim that his wife and daughter were killed by a drunk driver, but the other driver wasn't drunk and, according to police, wasn't the one at fault. That Biden tries to paint the guy as a drunk driver is just another example of his ghoulish behaviour and/or his negotiable relationship with reality.
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Mar 10, 2020 13:00
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Pingui posted:I think that, similar to the "Buttigieg as VP to get young voters" video I posted earlier, the establishment seems to not quite understand that idpol <> progressive. They understand this perfectly well, but the playbook they've been following since at least the 90's is that they only provide performative idpol as a "compromise" to the progressive wing, because most progressives do care about social justice and it's a "compromise" they can provide without hurting their relationship with big donors. It's all performative, though - e.g., the Dems as a party didn't get on board with gay marriage until the hard work had already been done for them. The problem is either 1) they're still convinced the playbook is a winning one, or 2) they don't care if they lose as long as their machine stays intact, since it's the machine that provides them with their careers win or lose. Or possibly some combination of the two, depending on the individual.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:24
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Pingui posted:Right, we agree. I meant that they haven't quite figured out that the left-wing is no longer falling for the "idpol = progressivism". Gotcha. I guess I'll just say, in regards to the last bit, that remains to be seen. There's definitely a lot more resistance to the idea in left circles than in years past, anecdotally speaking, but I'm not optimistic enough to think the "idpol = progressivism" idea has been staked and dusted just yet. I do hope you're right, though.
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Mar 14, 2020 16:51
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mr whistler posted:Ok sure. Every poll had her at at least -20% approval rating since she became PM but surely she was equal in approval to Disraeli etc. At the end of her tenure, her net approval was -44%. Wut?  Her popularity plummeted right before the election, but it was decent-to-high before that. From here
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Mar 17, 2020 23:56
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HootTheOwl posted:No. I think the cowards have won and will get to run their replication experiment on 2016. Ridiculous. Utterly absurd. This is a replication experiment of 2004. 
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Mar 18, 2020 00:50
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HootTheOwl posted:Ok, it really is the 2004 replication experiment. Told ya. The whole thing's been giving me deja vu for weeks.
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Mar 19, 2020 04:37
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Mat Cauthon posted:Again - youth turnout is up, despite the various problems with polling, voter suppression, etc. The problem is that voter turnout is also up among older, more conservative Democrats, so the youth increase is effectively cancelled out. Ghost Leviathan posted:And ballots being flat out shut down in youth-heavy areas, thousands of votes being 'lost'... The suppression has never been more brutally obvious. Yeah, the fact that youth turnout was up despite voter suppression says that courting the youth vote can be a winning strategy, depending on the circumstances. Just like any other electoral strategy, though, there are no guarantees.
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Mar 21, 2020 19:05
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Gio posted:layers and layers of means testing to help a grand total of 15 people Gio posted:if they actually qualify that means theyre successful business owners and dont need help. But think about how many bureaucrats you'd employ! 
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Mar 21, 2020 19:12
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:The flood lights are grovered on a non load bearing beam so they can only sit for 26 seconds before burning a hole in the side of the house. Off-topic post to help get past cursed number page, but I love that this is viable as a verb.
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Mar 24, 2020 02:13
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Exodus1984 posted:Weird how Al Franken was on the left of the specrtum much like Sanders and Warren, and suddenly the knives came out. What Franken did was weird and gross, but he shouldn't have had to resign over it. This is a really bad take. Eight women accused him of sexual abuse, plus two more anonymously. He's a predator and shouldn't be anywhere near public office.
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The wikipedia article is a quick search away. You can do some due diligence for yourself, it's not that hard. But sure, for a run-down, -The woman in that "dumb as hell picture," Tweeden, was also forcibly kissed by Franken. She said she felt "disgusting and violated" by her experiences with Franken. -He groped Lindsay Mentz while they were posing for a photograph -Groped Stephanie Kemplin's breast in Kuwait in a photo op. -He grabbed a woman's rear end during another photo op. (Anonymous) -He grabbed another woman's rear end in another photo op. (Also anonymous) -A forced kiss with an anonymous elected official -He had complaints about harassment from two congressional aides (one an attempted forced kiss, the other - Tina Dupuy - involving unwanted groping during a photo op... Dude has a thing with photo ops.) He clearly has no respect for womens' boundaries, and I find it gross that anyone would defend him. Biden's own behaviour is worse, but that just means they should both be kept out of power, not that all of Franken's crimes should be forgiven.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:44
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Ytlaya posted:There's also the fact that Franken is no great loss. He's one of the liberals who a lot of people mistakenly thought was good because they confuse "being aggressive towards Republicans" with "being left-wing." Yeah, I'll admit that reading Lying Liars and the Lies They Tell made me think he was on the side of the angels. His time in the Senate made me suspicious that maybe it takes more than the ability to dunk on Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter to actually make someone good, though.
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Mar 29, 2020 20:57
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Corte posted:So my folks have been sick and are self-isolating. They are workaholics who haven't slowed down much at all even under the current situation and don't make much time to follow news or politics specifically. Apparently my mom is allowing my dad a half hour of CNN while she does something else because she finds their coverage insufferable. I mentioned Reade's sexual assault allegation against Biden and they were clueless. You could link them to the Ball/Enjeti interview of Reade where she recounts the events in her own words. This current affairs article is also a pretty good review of why nominating Biden is just a terrible, terrible idea. I don't know if there's a goon-compiled page or anything, though.
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Mar 31, 2020 20:32
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Didn't the Republicans get record turnouts for an uncontested primary? That seems to speak to an enthusiasm among his core voters that just isn't - and can't be - matched by Biden. I don't buy the idea that hatred of Trump will carry any Democrat to victory. I heard that argument way too many times in 2004, and say what you will about Kerry, he wasn't a goo-brained rapist.
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Apr 3, 2020 03:03
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Terror Sweat posted:The fact that they delayed the convention, a location that is filled entirely with high ranking dems, and not the primaries, which is filled with regular people, is proof that they only care about themselves poo poo, that never occurred to me. drat.
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Marxalot posted:To expand on this Thanks, I've been looking for this for a while. (Saw the documentary back when it was new but I couldn't remember the title.)
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Apr 9, 2020 17:33
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I'd really like to know how anyone is supposed to reform the Democratic Party if they're obligated to empower its shittiest elements. Frankly, I think the chemotherapy analogy someone posted pages back is spot-on.
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Apr 14, 2020 00:24
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SithKitty posted:Except that giving Trump 4 more years allows Republicans to further entrench their power to the point of leftist extinction. Its easier to advocate for M4A and actually good policies from a position of some political power than it will be when Justices Kushner and Trump get to cast the deciding votes on if poors are actually humans. Voting for the poo poo wing of the Democratic party also doesn't give the left any political power from which to advocate for M4A and actual good policies.
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Apr 14, 2020 07:13
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Dave Inc. posted:That said, that ingrained power structure is also why Bernie's ideas were really never going to go anywhere. Does anyone really think that a Bernie presidency would actually accomplish anything major? That's why you fight for it. You keep putting those ideas out there, advocating for them, normalizing them, harming those who oppose them - politically, economically, however you can. And you keep doing it, over and over, until you win. quote:I've always thought a Biden presidency, even if it has a lot of poo poo giveaways to the right, will ultimately tweak the needle to the left, whereas a Sanders presidency would lock it in place. It hasn't worked this way for the past 50 years at least. Why would it work this way this time?
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Apr 14, 2020 18:30
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It isn't revisionism to say that Warren never mattered, right? Like that is an accurate historical analysis of her role in American politics? She did serious damage to Sanders on Super Tuesday, so that's one way she mattered.
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Pick posted:I don't care what any politician says. I don't like it when people touch my hair but it's not sexual assault. It's often sexual harassment, which I strongly dislike, but there's a world of difference between petting the locks and jamming a finger in my vagina. And if Biden had only been touching the hair of women and children, you might have a point. But there's photographic evidence it's more than that.
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Apr 16, 2020 21:17
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Apogee15 posted:Literally just go type in google "biden covid plan" and read it yourself, The link is right here. Now, some quick questions: How much of this plan is Biden publicly advocating for? How many of the details do you think he'd be able to recall, if pressed? How much of this was just written by his staffers with minimal input or consultation by Biden, and how much do you trust him to advocate for these measures given his history?
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Apr 19, 2020 01:26
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Tab8715 posted:I think it's quite telling the moment anyone asks for additional details on DNC Collusion against Bernie and it's quickly spun into - Well, why do you like Biden? Somfin posted:How many individual elements need to be rigged for you to agree that the primary was rigged?
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Apr 19, 2020 01:43
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Tab8715 posted:There is no set number of "elements" that need to be defined to prove corruption. It's either the sheer significance of one or cumulative sum of many. People itt are trying to ask you to set your own threshold for what qualifies as "rigged." Otherwise you'll continue to slide the goalposts to and fro across an oil-slicked field. Without this, people are going to end up talking past each other because they're using fundamentally different definitions of the word. Frankly, Somfin is being gracious by allowing you to provide your own definition. So how about you provide one? Because what you said here doesn't cut it.
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So you're looking for a notarized memo to the effect of "We, the DNC, do hereby admit to rigging the primary against one Bernard F. Sanders" along with photo evidence of them toasting to their conspiracy. Got it. Thankfully most functioning human beings don't need to operate under a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard and can base their opinions on pattern recognition, critical thinking, and a preponderance of evidence. 
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Positive things about Biden's career: -He introduced the (largely toothless) Global Climate Protection Act of 1986. It was passed in an amendment to a spending bill in 1987, and was largely ignored by the Reagan administration, but the intentions behind the bill seem good? I could be wrong about that. -He cosponsored the Violence Against Women Act in 1994, which Clinton signed into law.* -He gave moral support for gay marriage arguably before the Obama admin was ready. This is after a career opposed to gay marriage, and after most of the fight had already been won by activists in the legal realm, but it's not nothing. There. I've now put more effort into seeing the good side of Biden than 98% of Biden stans. Now I'm going to log off and shower. * I just now realized that it was cosponsored by a rapist and signed into law by a rapist. That makes me feel a little ill.
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Apr 19, 2020 22:11
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volts5000 posted:You're absolutely right. That's why we have to keep fighting to change the party. You're making the task of changing the party harder by voting to empower the party's shittiest elements. There's a reason why the Clinton wing of the party has a lot less influence within the party than the Obama wing right now.
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volts5000 posted:It's not my vote or no vote that empowers the party. It's the monied interest that empower it. It's both. You seriously believe that there aren't factions within a party, and that they receive clout from a number of factors, one of which is the ability to win elections? Again, there's a reason Clinton's people have a lot less sway within the party infrastructure than Obama's people do right now. The lesson of Corbyn isn't "don't ever try to win power through electoral politics," in my opinion. It's that if you want to fix a party, you need to be absolutely ruthless in removing any opposing elements within it. The same factions that wanted Biden as the nominee are the factions that wants as few Ilhan Omars in the party as possible - ideally zero. It's the same factions that gave Shadow Inc more business after the Iowa voting app debacle, who see to it that anyone who aids a challenge against the Feinsteins, Schumers, or Pelosis of the party get blackballed. If you want to fix the party, you need to get rid of those elements by hook or by crook. Getting rid of their candidates and keeping them out of power is a part of that. Every election they lose results in, at the very least, lost clout and influence. By itself, that's not enough - but there's no silver bullet here, and you need to use every weapon at your disposal. Falstaff fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 20, 2020 |
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Nonsense posted:https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1252449730858278912?s=20 The replies to this tweet are insane. Plenty of them are trying to spin this as a positive somehow? 
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Fly Molo posted:This is incredibly naive. Biden has explicitly and repeatedly said, when people asked him about leftist policies, "don't vote for me, vote for Trump." Now, this isn't fair. He didn't always say "for Trump." https://twitter.com/DavidAgStone/status/1252940524387840000?s=20
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"I think the candidate's likelihood of having committed sexual assault matters." "The candidate's history on policies that matter to me are important when evaluating my vote." "The candidate's history of blatant lying makes me not trust him." These are all the positions of nihilists, apparently. "None of this stuff matters," that's the anti-nihilist position. Somehow.
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