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Referring back to the idea from the last thread of reconciling with the fubpees... why? They're loud as gently caress but electorally meaningless and frankly most of them demonstrated last year that the movement was at least as anti-socialist as anti-Brexit, explicitly so in the case of the People's Vote campaign and their assorted hangers-on. Not that we should treat the hashtag as a Mark of Cain to forever reject them - most of them are pretty low-information and with the heat of Brexit taken out of the situation will hopefully be amenable to coming over to the right side of history - but they don't actually bring anything to the table for us when it comes to getting back into power, and that's where the Labour Party needs to be expending it's efforts right now. Ultimately the collapse of the Lib Dems gives us a chance to rebuild the Blair-era coalition in the opposite direction - we can rely on London, Liverpool, etc to vote for us for at least another couple of elections so we need to reach back out to them (and to Scotland) with actual good policies, actively courting the Fubpee demographic can wait until we've got Bolsover back.
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radmonger posted:This reads like a pretty good prediction of the next few years, written in 2015. The problem is, despite it’s accuracy, the events it predicted have already happened; the liberal middle class tolerated Corbynism in 2017. But then ambiguity over Brexit lead to a short term Lib Dem revival that wasn’t quite over by polling day. Lib Dems did not cost us meaningful amounts of votes in the vast majority of seats we lost. Stop looking at national numbers, or we're doomed to ever increasing majorities in zone 2 and third party status in parliament.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/paulhilder/status/1205598555097980928 The votes we lost to the Lib Dems were in Remain-voting seats which were and remain pretty safe Labour territory, melty places like Westminster and Richmond excluded. It cost us *at most* a dozen seats even if you include gains we might have expected to make like Two Cities. The reason those towns in that table are depopulating and going Tory is because they've been abandoned by neoliberalism, and Brexit is just part of a pattern of betrayal of these areas that dates back 40 years (and, notably, was not even slightly reversed between 1997 and 2010), it just so happens that Brexit opened up the UKIP>Tory pipeline for people who otherwise would never have dreamed of voting not-Labour, accelerating the process somewhat. It's effectively gerrymandering on a grand scale, pushing people likely to vote Labour into seats that are already Labour (and into lifestyles that happen to suppress voter registration, reducing the impact of those seats), and if we don't have a cogent plan to reverse that trend then we will basically become the SNP with an Oyster Card. That plan will lose us melts because it *will* require massive redistribution and maybe the slightest discomfort for the commentariat, and maybe we'll lose a few Zone 2 seats to the piss diamonds, but that is the only way under FPTP to regain power.
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Communist Thoughts posted:The snp are way, way more successful than labour tho Labour have got 49 of 73 London seats (67%), the SNP have got 48 of 59 Scottish seats (81%), so they're ahead at the moment but I'm sure with some of the brain genius tactics being spouted we can win the 10 seats in London we need to put ourselves on parity. I mean the manifesto of "gently caress everyone not living within 3 miles of a gin bar" would probably have some ramifications elsewhere in the country but gently caress them, at least we'll have seen off that Lib Dem threat.
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ronya posted:They were abandoned by the historical force of changes in the means of production; actually-existing command economies could not make labour-intensive heavy-industry towns sustainable and neither could the entire developed West in the decade before it turned to neoliberalism. We don't need a return to mass heavy industry because being born outside of the M25 doesn't make you a horny-handed Omega suited only to toil. Unless there's some magical field generated by red buses* there's no reason at all why tertiary-economy jobs can't be located in Bolsover with exactly the same kind of tax incentives as were used in the eighties in Docklands (if you want to keep in the neoliberal frame) or just taxing the poo poo out of brass-plates and investing that money directly in the area. * Of course in a way there is - the GLC, in it's last big fight, keeping London Buses safe from most of the worst effects of deregulation is one of the things that prevented the London suburbs imploding in the same way many of the exurbs did. TfL - the direct descendant of that - is one of the big reasons why London can support any kind of economic activity at all, and even Johnson recognised that, accelerating the nationalisation and in-sourcing of the suburban rail lines (to create the Overground) and tube maintenance respectively that Livingstone started the moment he got back in to control of London's transport.
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OwlFancier posted:Certainly an appealing reason for not having any social media presence Every greybeard Gen Xer who has never put their real name to anything on the internet smiles smugly.
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happyhippy posted:Problem with Bond is that Austin Powers ruined it. Disclaimer - the last Bond film I watched was Casino Royale. I didn't bother with any more because Bond is just Jason Bourne with a better equipment budget now, and frankly even that equipment is a bit poo poo. Oh you have an Aston Martin with a defibrillator in it? Woo. Where's the missile-armed autogyro, the Lotus Esprit sub or even the watch you can use to get a woman's dress off?
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OwlFancier posted:I don't really remember much about them but I like to think that the MI5 building can lauch a rocket boat out of one of its walls and hit the thames. MI6 building. Also you can see one of my legs for one frame in that (geographically and hydrologically stupid) chase scene. e: Someone did once point out that there's an underground river and CSO almost directly under Vauxhall Cross so they could actually have access to the river for their rocket boat fleet if they wanted.
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namesake posted:I wonder if This Is Spinal Tap didn't quite have that same quality because about 99% of it really could and probably has happened with touring bands. To the point where the actors, almost every time they meet a musician of that era, are asked "Who told you about that?" because with the (possible) exception of the exploding drummer every single thing in it has in fact happened to multiple bands. Some of it is just old lore they've picked up (the Stonehenge thing allegedly about a set ordered for Black Sabbath that was too big to fit on the stage because of a missed decimal point, for example), some of it just stuff that happens to anyone touring venues ("HELLO CLEVELAND!") but most of it is because heavy metal is a loving ridiculous genre and multiplied by the sheer amount of bands touring in the 70s and 80s, fundamentally any stupid poo poo you can think up, from the pods not opening to the "Puppet Show - and Spinal Tap" will have happened multiple times at some point.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Airplane also crushed the disaster movie genre for a time. Mostly because 75% of the script was from an actual disaster movie. Any excuse to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BjU-e01zQ4 Also to remind everyone that almost every actor on it had been in multiple lovely disaster movies already, and that's what makes it the best comedy film ever made - everything that's followed (ironically including most of ZAZ and Leslie Nielson's work) isn't as good because the actors are trying to be funny rather than give it the utter seriousness that it needs.
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Servetus posted:Goldeneye was legitimately good. Tomorrow Never Dies accurately predicted the risk of false narratives in Media and Social Media to society as a whole, but was otherwise mediocre. "Predicted"? It's literally the USS Maine incident with added technobabble. There is nothing new under the sun.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Galaxy Quest is one of my fave films and and my favourite fact about it is is that Patrick Stewart expected it to be poo poo when he went in to the cinema but loved it George Takei claims he was threatened with being thrown out of the cinema he was laughing so hard at it, but the best reaction was Shatner, who said something like "I thought it was chillingly accurate, apart from Tim Allen, I had no idea what he was trying to do".
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duckmaster posted:Important to note, and important to tell every Brexiteer you meet, and over and over again as loudly as possible, that the ECHR (and the human rights convention) are Council of Europe things and literally nothing has changed with respect to them. Right, but you cannot be a member of the EU without being signed up to the ECHR so that's not quite the gotcha you think it is. The sequence of events that leads to STRING EM ALL UP has to start with leaving the EU.
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WhatEvil posted:Can't find it now but she's been pretty sneery and lovely towards Butler for one thing. Running up the score on PLP nominations (and blocking people on Twitter who politely asked why she wouldn't lend nominations to Dawn Butler) is a bit of a worry. Plus that she was even able to run up the score with the PLP, you pretty much have to assume anyone that popular with them has to be at least a bit poo poo.
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Guavanaut posted:Debating RLB Nandy Thornberry just to give the best spread for stopping the symbolic win for the Blairists of Starmer, but unsure if Nandy would just do most of the same poo poo while shouting about towns. Nandy's making the right noises in the hustings but is still the furthest-right of the contenders. Starmer is such a loving cypher though, he's literally not committed to anything at all at any point in the process and the fact that he's even vaguely close to the lead is Tall White Male privilege in action because those are the only three things that you can say are definitely the case about him.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:take a leaf out of the Manics book then That was in the post-Altern8 era where they forced them to play to backing tape but sing live, which seems like the best way of pissing off every single act that came on. It did lead to this though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzRAZ1uS-Ao&t=36s
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Ms Adequate posted:Recommended having a look in the Dem Primary thread because the scale of the gently caress up is absolutely stone cold hilarious This kinda poo poo would get other countries "liberated" by the CIA, lol.
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Jose posted:so they were using an app to do something involved in the iowa caucus and Pete's campaign also paid money to the developer of the app and the owner of the company that makes it is a big Pete fan. Surely the CIA normally put more effort into their poo poo than this?
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Jose posted:CEO of the company whjo is a big pete fan and who's husband works for the pete campaign lol. miocrosoft made the app they used in 2016 but this time they decided to use a company who had never made any kind of app and which was started by someone who worked for clinton in 2016 Let's not forget the company involved is called "Shadow". I mean FFS are they going to announce the results wearing a curly moustache and a cape?
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Flipswitch posted:What happened in the States? The Dem primary poo poo is something I don't understand at all and the thread doesn't make much sense to me either
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The Dem field so perfectly encapsulates modern America though - a baby boomer with a rapidly-liquefying brain who says he's entitled to be in control because he's old (and has one black friend so calling for the imprisonment of everyone darker than underdone toast is fine), a woman who uses invented Native ancestry to excuse every misdeed, several men with no actual ability or talent who are unaccountably richer than God, and of course the man who's been involved in every flavour of American imperialism and hegemony of the post-war era who has directly caused pain and suffering to thousands but he's gay so it's alright. Also all of them are white apart from two "good ones".
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Guavanaut posted:Ah yeah, Corn Pop was the gang leader of The Romans who he fought with a knife and chain. I'd completely forgotten about the whole Corn Pop thing, so thank you for giving me a hearty chuckle when remembering this man wants to have the nuclear codes, but I was referring to his slightly more famous black friend, the one who wouldn't return his calls for months and only very half-heartedly endorsed him for president at the last minute despite having him as his VP for 8 years. Incidentally, fun game to play on Twitter - every time someone brings up just about anything negative about Biden, count how many low-follower African-American avis pile in to say "This isn't true Barack vetted him". Even their astroturfing is racist, FFS.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Assuming a healthy bump in the polls they probably fielded enough candidates (one in most and a few two seaters in heartland seats) think they'd be up maybe +4-5% with the aim of getting TDs in seats they currently have no representatives in - issue is polls are saying they could hit +10% in urban seats which could mean where they currently hold a seat they could safely elect their rep on first count with generous surplus for a second candidate to be in prime position to be elected. It takes some dedication to come up with a sillier system than FPTP but kudos to Ireland for managing it.
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forkboy84 posted:50/50 chance of me spontaneously combusting from rage. If you do, run at the police lines for some awesome footage that will somehow never be seen anywhere but the internet.
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gh0stpinballa posted:fao podcast peeps, are you still making the show? my feed hasn't updated for ages :/ I forgot to mention it but the entry on Google podcasts seemed to break a couple of weeks ago, I had to remove it and re-add it for some reason. I don't *think* it's a UKMT issue as the RSS URL i use for downloading it kept working throughout.
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I'm aware that I'm getting into  territory here but Radio 4 has had, for the last two bulletins, a story about a record number of antisemitism incidents in the UK followed by a story about someone driving a car into a queue of mostly IDF soldiers outside a nightclub in Jerusalem. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Beeb doesn't normally report on terrorist incidents - even ones resulting in deaths - in Israel, does it? Why is this story deserving of fourth or fifth slot in the headlines? And right next to a story about antisemitism?
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Not So Fast posted:This is a stupid idea and Burgon is an utter pillock. drat him for making me agree with Hodges. Why is it a stupid idea?
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Not So Fast posted:Putting the power of enacting military actions in the hands of the public would be one thing, but restricting it to just Labour Party members gives them far too much power. And if his proposal could lead to an NEC resolution to nuke France you might have a point, but a) that's not what he's proposing and b) that power is currently in the hands of a body that has consistently proven itself rather less than reliable in deciding when to use it.
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Private Speech posted:Wikipedia says it's based on fairly obscure historical origins, being the sign of the goldsmith shop where a precursor of the bank was based for a few decades in the sixteen-hundreds. Because for most of the history of humanity literacy has been at best sporadic so you gave your business a sign with a picture considerably larger than the name, and presumably Mr. Lloyd liked horses, or maybe owned a stable, or maybe there had been a blacksmiths there before. You'd think a bank would have customers that could read (although that still couldn't be guaranteed) but the signs were also useful for messengers and deliveries - "Take this to the office with the black horse on Gropecunt Lane" - in those pre-postal days.
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Oh dear me posted:Actually it's a Union Jack because that is what nearly everyone calls it and the exceptions are insufferable Nah this isn't a Big Ben/clock tower thing, a "jack" is an actual thing with a specific meaning, and if our national flag is the Union Jack then it means the whole country is actually a naval vessel and wait a minute maybe we are all under Admiralty Law and the sovereign citizens are right...
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OzyMandrill posted:Nah. Descriptivism won, language changes, prescriptivists will be first against the wall with there archaic roolz and $hit. As long as joke-getters are second against the wall you'll be safe then.
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Pablo Bluth posted:If you travel regularly and have a good enough credit score to get another card, apply for a Halifax Clarity card: the benefits of the MasterCard exchange rate combined with zero foreign transaction fees. Nationwide Platinum does the same thing too except it's Visa. You don't even really need it for travel, if you just happen to buy stuff online from the US semi-frequently it's handy because the exchange rate is *way* better than Paypal.
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OwlFancier posted:I really hope the yanks manage to pull together a coalition of people who are just so loving sick of all their societal bullshit. Sanders doing really well with minority voters is heartening, hopefully they can get some decent healthcare and they can catapult it into some real scouring of the loving ghouls that run that hellhole of a country. Sanders big problem in '16 (apart from the obvious one) was a lack of appeal with minority voters, and that was supposed to be Joe Biden's biggest asset. Unfortunately the Brain Geniuses at the DNC assumed that "Used to stand near Barack Obama for a living" was all the qualification he needed to keep that vote which says a *lot* about how they really think about people of colour.
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Owen Paterson getting real loving angry on Today at the idea that we might sacrifice fishing rights for financial passporting in a future trade deal with the EU, which makes me wonder what party (and what country) he thinks he's been part of all these years.
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bionic vapour boy posted:Aren't there also legit worries about 5g in terms of how it will affect weather forecasting? BBC have had these "what if i'm ALLERGIC to 5g" clowns on a lot and I cannot wrap my head around why that's the angle. Unless they're trying to link an aversion to 5G with being a crank That's seriously overhyped from the fact that there is a very slight overlap between one of the frequency bands allocated to 5G and millimeter-wave radars which are used for rainfall and storm-cloud tracking. It's a complete non-issue because 5G is fractions of a percent of the power used by those radars and that particular frequency band would be unusable anywhere where it might conceivably cause an issue because it will be completely swamped by the radars themselves. The one semi-legit issue is with low-power radars used on boats and planes and phones attempting to handshake on that band in very close proximity to them may cause some glitching, but there's plenty of solutions to that issue. TBH I've always been suspicious about the fact that the actual legitimate technical objections to 5G (starting with "we don't actually need it" and "it mostly doesn't work") are drowned out by such easily-refuted crank arguments, and it feeds into my Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory that most conspiracy theories are, in fact, white noise designed to stop people thinking too much about actual issues with the world.
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happyhippy posted:Problem with that is the stars. It's not like there's a kachunk noise as you pass the equator and a new set of stars is loaded up into the celestial projector. If you assume the stars are very dim and only a short distance above you you can actually come up with a reasonable explanation about why you see different stars as you move around. It doesn't actually stand up to even the slightest scrutiny or analysis but your average layman would struggle really hard to explain exactly *why*. quote:Then again Jews came from space. Not kidding, this is an actual theory. Mel Brooks proving as prescient as ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo
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