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Agean90 posted:couldn't even begin to tell you. If the Scots decide to separate and has a real movement still backing it up (ie the year long delay of real brexit doesn't sedate everyone into apathy) then youre watching a country dissolve in real time, which will be unpredictable to say the least therattle posted:I think they do want a deal because they still look after business interests to a degree, but that may well conflict with your b, which is also a powerful factor. marktheando posted:They don't give a gently caress op, all the brexit decisions are made for short term domestic political concerns and personal greed. The people who funded Boris' leadership campaign actually want No Deal
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Stoatbringer posted:Well, that didn't take long. Every time I see something like this, without fail the person demanding everyone speak the Queens(sic) English has no grasp on how to write in the language they love so much.
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BMX Ninja posted:Every time I see something like this, without fail the person demanding everyone speak the the Queens(sic) English has no grasp on how to write in the language they love so much. Fixed.
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twoday posted:Imagine being some EU bureaucrat having to negotiate any kind of deal with Britain in the coming year I'd go to work with a smile on my face every day, if it weren't for the grueling hours. Telling dumb British snobs to stick it where the sun don't shine as a job is great. Dance Officer has issued a correction as of 13:48 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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oliwan posted:the comments on that article btw are full of complaints about how rude it is when people talk to each other in public in a language that is not English, like on the street and in restaurants and on public transport That's exactly how racist Americans think too though?
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Feb 2, 2020 13:52
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Sorry but i bloody agree i aint racist i have worked with people who have been in england for over 5 years and still cant speak english but somehowbget a job. Sorry but f i was to immigrate im making sure im fluent in the mother tounge b4 i even step foot. Why shoukd e have to try and understand them wen they dont want to learn.
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Feb 2, 2020 13:54
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In my experience, the dominant language of this supposed great country is bottomless bigotry.
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Feb 2, 2020 14:02
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I just don't go to a restaurant again if the staff insist on speaking their mother tongue when they can speak English as it's just downright rude. As for holidays I find that most people speak excellent English and admire the fact they are bilingual. When I'm on holiday I always show respect for the culture and countries I visit. The only place I found this difficult to adhere to was America as they were loud and brash... but maybe that's just the part I visited.
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Feb 2, 2020 14:02
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I'd be happy if I could speak more than one language it's a great asset. However, I do find it rude when people, especially when I'm in a restaurant, speak in their mother tongue in front of you, it makes me feel uncomfortable as I'm not sure what they are saying? By all means celebrate if you're bilingual but have some consideration for those who are not.
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Feb 2, 2020 14:03
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the fact that to external viewers, British culture seems so entrenched in notions of manners and politeness and “not being rude”, when your entire empire’s whole shtick was showing up to places uninvited and saving everything, like tea-slurping pirates, is very funny
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Feb 2, 2020 14:04
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On public transport, I find it rude when others don’t just speak their own language, but shout in their own language to each other, it really does make you feel uncomfortable. When we go to other countries on holidays you go their to take in the culture and try as much as you can to learn the language.
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Feb 2, 2020 14:05
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lolleing at the thought of a brit expat even attempting to hold a conversation in spanish in costa del sol
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Feb 2, 2020 14:11
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oliwan just put several of those “funny” quotes in one post instead of quadruple posting the same joke 4 times in a row
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Feb 2, 2020 14:12
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I'm British (sorry) but I live in another country that speaks a different language. I have done so for about 10 years. When I go home, people very unironically ask me why I live abroad (lol) and why I speak two languages. When I tell them I have to speak that language to live and work there they are genuinely like ??? Brexit's good because it makes it harder for my friends here to be exposed to the great shame I call my countrymen
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Feb 2, 2020 14:28
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I have a relative who's been an ex-pat in quite a few countries, and always made an effort to learn the language even if she was only there for a few years (they moved around a lot). Apparently Hungarian is one of the hardest to get to grips with. In Turkey one of the important phrases to learn was "I'm not an American tourist, I live here" to avoid the tourist markup in the Grand Bazaar.
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Feb 2, 2020 14:47
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I grew up in a city with a few thousand Brits due to military bases. I have never met anyBrit who spoke any language other than English. In fact, that's probably the easiest way to distinguish American from Britisih tourists. Americans usually attempt to pepper in at least a few non-English words.
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Tusk: EU would be enthusiastic if Scotland applied to rejoin Former European council president’s remarks will boost SNP’s campaign for second independence referendum https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/02/donald-tusk-eu-would-be-enthusiastic-if-scotland-applied-to-rejoin and so it begins
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Feb 2, 2020 16:02
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Agean90 posted:Basically there's two ways for Scotland to leave, by election or by violence. BORIS already said they aren't authorizing another Independence referendum so that only leaves one option Basically there's one way for Scotland to leave: With pressure from the people the England is now negotiating their trade deals with. It does have the absolutely amazing possible scenario of Scotland having a non-binding referendum and then declaring independence on July 4th.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:20
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twoday posted:Imagine being some EU bureaucrat having to negotiate any kind of deal with Britain in the coming year Its going to be hilarious for the EU negotiators. The UK is going to go in and say 'we want the same trade, but cheaper on our side. You lot pay us more though for our stuff'. The only risk the EU people have is bursting a blood vessel from laughing. I can see the UK getting really pissy about fishing areas, that's going to be funny to watch.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:21
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endlessmonotony posted:Basically there's one way for Scotland to leave: With pressure from the people the England is now negotiating their trade deals with. Would go over about as well as the Catalonia referendum.
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Feb 2, 2020 16:27
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endlessmonotony posted:Basically there's one way for Scotland to leave: With pressure from the people the England is now negotiating their trade deals with. That's possible, but im working off the assumption that the conservatives would rather the country be reduced to a smouldering ruin under military occupation than ever dare let someone leave it
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Feb 2, 2020 16:30
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Horseshoe theory posted:Would go over about as well as the Catalonia referendum. Doesn't matter. Scotland has devolved powers, they're perfectly allowed to have a non-binding referendum - permission from Westminster is only required for making it binding - and England deploying enough troops into Scotland to actually stop a referendum from taking place would in itself give justification for a declaration of independence. Catalonia never had a chance of acting on the results since the EU said no. Britain is no longer an EU member state, so the rule that hosed Catalonia over is no longer in play and honestly the EU wasn't being subtle about how they felt about Scottish independence even before that Tusk statement. The question is how the US feels about Scottish independence. Westminster might as well be ruled over by a hot air balloon with a bad wig as far as their influence goes. Agean90 posted:That's possible, but im working off the assumption that the conservatives would rather the country be reduced to a smouldering ruin under military occupation than ever dare let someone leave it They'd certainly yell about it, but if the US said "no" on the smouldering ruins, they'd fall in line.
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endlessmonotony posted:The question is how the US feels about Scottish independence. Westminster might as well be ruled over by a hot air balloon with a bad wig as far as their influence goes. Voters couldn't possibly give a poo poo in any direction, but I imagine that if American businesses interests are able to get a strong (exploitative) trade deal with the UK, they'll obviously want Scotland to stay in that deal instead of joining the more powerful EU
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Whats the possibility we something like below? Coz that would we make me so happy.  : Were leavin ya! : No. Not unless you declare independence, and then you've got a civil war on your hands!: Yeah we just joined the EU, so feel free to declare war on Europe ya gits!:Erm, hangon a tick.
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tote up a bags posted:I'm British (sorry) but I live in another country that speaks a different language. I have done so for about 10 years. First thing i'd drop if I ever got out of this place was the notion of being British. I couldn't drop that identity fast enough. Like I wouldn't be able to stop people labeling me but gently caress if I'd ever think about this shithole ever again. Outrail posted:Whats the possibility we something like below? Coz that would we make me so happy. None. When has international politics ever happened like that? I'm pretty sure the EU just poaching a bit of the UK would be an act of war. Does that seem likely?
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Voters couldn't possibly give a poo poo in any direction, but I imagine that if American businesses interests are able to get a strong (exploitative) trade deal with the UK, they'll obviously want Scotland to stay in that deal instead of joining the more powerful EU The US loves their Declarations of Independence and Freedom and playing to that could just be good politics on that side. And at the same time, just England & Wales would be a lot easier to gradually turn into a Capitalist Hellscape than including the rest, who still have antiquated remnants like "dignity". Outrail posted:Whats the possibility we something like below? Coz that would we make me so happy. Not without the support of Ireland and the US I'm afraid.
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endlessmonotony posted:The US loves their Declarations of Independence and Freedom and playing to that could just be good politics on that side. Theoretically, sure, Americans might be more supportive than the average person if asked about it, but American voters will never vote or donate a dollar based on Scotland trying to secede from the UK. We barely care about our own wars, the Scotland-UK stuff is too distant and small to make a blip. We didn't give a poo poo about Brexit and Scotland seceding from the UK is smaller than that. What percentage of Americans do you think can find Scotland on a map? What percentage do you think are aware that Scotland and England are part of the same country? Civilized Fishbot has issued a correction as of 16:55 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Theoretically, sure, but American voters will never vote or donate a dollar based on Scotland trying to secede from the UK. We barely care about our own wars, the Scotland-UK stuff is too distant and small to make a blip They don't have to, all that's necessary is a declaration the US supports it. The resources would come from the French, who, uh, are a little eager as is. I mean yes victory by pandering to vague notions of what people want to think themselves as would seem too stupid and irrelevant to work in a world before, y'know, Brexit happened.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Theoretically, sure, Americans might be more supportive than the average person if asked about it, but American voters will never vote or donate a dollar based on Scotland trying to secede from the UK. We barely care about our own wars, the Scotland-UK stuff is too distant and small to make a blip. We didn't give a poo poo about Brexit and Scotland seceding from the UK is smaller than that. lol that you can say that after all the money and guns they sent to Ireland.
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endlessmonotony posted:The question is how the US feels about Scottish independence. Trump is in power for at least the next four years, and he hates and holds a grudge against the SNP for giving the go-ahead to build wind farms near his Scottish golf course, and loves Farage and pals who think Scotland has too much independence already. So we are hosed if we need US support.
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namesake posted:lol that you can say that after all the money and guns they sent to Ireland. There's a vast gulf of difference between a small but passionate group of Americans funneling money/guns to the IRA and a critical mass of voters affecting the US government's official policy on Scotland exiting the UK. You might be able to find a few people who care a lot, but you won't find a lot of people who care even a little. Again, Americans outside the news media and intelligentsia have been completely apathetic to Brexit, and to the first Scottish independence referendum, so why would they care about another one? The US government's response to any Scottish independence efforts will be grounded in whatever business interests dictate, combined with Trump's personal neuroses if he's still in office. I say all this as an American - I don't know if it makes me more credible or less credible here, but it seems like useful context either way. Civilized Fishbot has issued a correction as of 17:07 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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marktheando posted:Trump is in power for at least the next four years, and he hates and holds a grudge against the SNP for giving the go-ahead to build wind farms near his Scottish golf course, and loves Farage and pals who think Scotland has too much independence already. So we are hosed if we need US support. There's a way for him to easily get rid of the wind farms now. And he could play this to actually being seen as using American influence to spread freedom and uh, do it more credibly than his predecessors in decades. Would Trump go for that? I have no idea which is why the entire idea is so entertaining. It would be a huge gamble but it could work.
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I'm Dutch and speak English (and French and German) at an alright level. Most countries were I go to I end up trying to learn some of the language. Most citizens are delighted at you for even trying, it's only been English people, so far, who've treated me like I'm mentally addled and shouted at me when I seemed to not catch on fast enough.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Theoretically, sure, Americans might be more supportive than the average person if asked about it, but American voters will never vote or donate a dollar based on Scotland trying to secede from the UK. We barely care about our own wars, the Scotland-UK stuff is too distant and small to make a blip. We didn't give a poo poo about Brexit and Scotland seceding from the UK is smaller than that. Did you miss the *checks notes* $1.5b the US gave Ukraine in aid, in order to fight the Russians? Very few in the general US public cared about that.
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Dance Officer posted:Did you miss the *checks notes* $1.5b the US gave Ukraine in aid, in order to fight the Russians? Very few in the general US public cared about that. I can't tell what point you're making. Are you being sarcastic? It's true that Americans were extremely apathetic to our foreign policy toward Ukraine until it became clear that Trump was carrying it out in such a wildly corrupt fashion that he could be impeached over it
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Civilized Fishbot posted:I can't tell what point you're making. Are you being sarcastic? It's true that Americans were extremely apathetic to our foreign policy toward Ukraine until it became clear that Trump was carrying it out in such a wildly corrupt fashion that he could be impeached over it He's saying the US has military spending way in excess what they need and that they don't care about the actual cost as long as it comes with a chance to show off their new toys, serves their national mythos or comes with the opportunity to piss off old enemies. Looking Strong on the world stage is far more important than the risk/reward ratio.
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endlessmonotony posted:He's saying the US has military spending way in excess what they need and that they don't care about the actual cost as long as it comes with a chance to show off their new toys, serves their national mythos or comes with the opportunity to piss off old enemies. This is all 100% true but seems irrelevant to the point I was making that American voters don't care about Scottish independence
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Civilized Fishbot posted:This is all 100% true but seems irrelevant to the point I was making that American voters don't care about Scottish independence No, but they do care about American Freedom, and giving the Scottish their freedom from the English serves that notion while also being truly rare as an opportunity since it's a military show of force that won't get automatically condemned by half the population.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:until it became clear that Trump was carrying it out in such a wildly corrupt fashion that he could be impeached over it lol
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