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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Sneak Lemming posted:

Do you think when everyone sees the mass graves and overflowing morgues that people will vote differently?

lmao that people thought they had avoided "mass graves and overflowing morgues" by voting against corbyn

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

the only coherent position w/r/t leftist politics I've ever had is the way I hit my dick+balls repeatedly with a hammer

my sympathies for having a too nice candidate and the brain-breaking brexit question

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

lmao at people continuing to unironically push the racist, nazi Jeremy Corbyn angle

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

namesake posted:

Liberals and centrist media outfits are watching Tories mishandle the pandemic and do hard Brexit and are having to think "Surely we had a good reason for thinking this was better". Rightwingers and Zionists can't ever allow Corbyns international solidarity social democracy to be thought of fondly.

They can't ever relent and it's going to drive them even more insane as he becomes less relevant to politics.

I hadn't thought of it like that

the worse the realities of brexit/cornavirus become, the more that racialist terrorist Jezza must be criticized

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

IRA-funded terrorist JEREMY CORBIN is a security risk because he has been blackmailed by the KGB with the proof of Corbin's affair with Hassan Nasrallah

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Terribly concerned that Jezza would have given the UK's nuclear weapons to Hezbollah had he been elected.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Communist Thoughts posted:

it is very funny indeed when people get upset about people appearing on pressTV or RTV or whatever when we have the BBC, a state propaganda institution run by a human rights violating regime that has done considerably more harm to the world than fuckin ...iran lol

And Jeremey Corbin knew all this and still appeared in BBC presentations!

Disgusting Jeremy Corbin has friends in noted pedophile defending news organization, the BBC.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Would a public renouncement of his ties to Hezbollah help Corbin answer the charges of antisemitism?

Corbin might be able to address his legacy by instead working with the Israeli founded political organization, Hamas.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


Incredible that Corbyn is organizing and supporting fellow labor party antisemites.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

therattle posted:

The things he has said are borderline (although there are rather a lot of them), and a number of his fellow travellers are more overtly AS. So I kind of agree with Balls. I don’t think Corbyn is AS (or if he is, it’s barely), but he is/was blind to it on the left, which is why Labour got into the whole mess.

lmao

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

There is no purity test that Corbyn could have passed or position to support that would silence the people that are attacking Corbyn for anti-Semitism.

Corbyn could renounce his past, denounce every person he ever spoke with, demand that Jonathan Pollard be made a life peer, and publicly support driving the Palestinians into the sea or deporting them to Jordan and this would still not be enough.

Engaging with his critics was just giving them power and legitimizing their critiques.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


This guy is repeating discredited smear campaigns as fact.

quote:

So, I mean, at points it was obvious. It was also said that he laid a wreath at the grave of the Munich terrorists who had abducted the entire Israeli Olympic team, murdered them and castrated them all. And so to lay a wreath at the grave of the group that did that is was perceived by the Jewish community in Britain to be not a terribly sympathetic act.

Also he has rejoined the labor party now that sensible Keir Starmer has utterly obliterated the systemic antisemitism in the labor party.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

I read an advanced copy of the report. Bombshell revelation is that Jeremy Corbin regularly used a time machine to travel to the past and have sex with Hitler.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

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bedpan has issued a correction as of 13:09 on Apr 4, 2023

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Thank god the final solution to antisemitism in the labor party was to just get rid of Jezza.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


Another movement to stop Labour from winning has been launched in a place where they get a majority of support.

Will this too get a Murdoch newspaper endorsement like the SNP in Scotland has with the Scottish Sun?

From twitter

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Jazerus posted:

y'all ever consider starting over? sort of a "britain 2.0" kind of thing?

I think this is what brexit was

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


Diggin this map, lots going on.

  • Greater Albania, including Chameria
  • Hungary with Vojvodina
  • Bulgaria with three seas
  • Constantinople and the Hellespont with the USSR
  • Spanish Dax and Gibralter
  • All of Schleswig-Holstein with the DVR

And so much more!

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

lol that even D&D got mad at therattle for peddling the nazi corbyn crap

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

genericnick posted:

I don't really see where a Brexit deal is supposed to suddenly come from? 500 years after initiating the Brexit procedure we're still at the what-the-gently caress-do you-want stage.

It is pretty simple: Brexit means Brexit.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

therattle posted:

I posted in here a few weeks ago about Corbyn and AS, then, as told, hosed off the D&D and did the same. Unsurprisingly, the response was similar, so I decided to actually read the leaked report.

It's clearly a factional piece. BUT, it contains so many direct transcripts, and contains figures that are hard to dispute, that there must be at least some elements of truth in it. I usually plump for incompetence over conspiracy, but such was the staggering incompetence on display in the GLU that some measure of active malice seems to be the only reasonable justification for the slowness in dealing with AS. (It is also clear that the GLU was incompetent as well as probably malicious).

I also had not appreciated to what extent dealing with disciplinary cases was not Corbyn's responsibility, but McNicols's, and that any criticism for how Labour was handling them should have been directed mostly at McNicols, not Corbyn. I was uninformed, wrong, and I apologise.

I have liked reading your posts in the UK threads. It is a rare individual who's points of view and opinions actually change and evolve when presented with new information.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008


that twitter poster who bought the sacks of wet eggs for a pound each is probably feeling really smug right now

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

id be thrilled if the UK found itself busted apart into 7 or 8 states because of brexit

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Continuity NIP posted:

Scottish independence is an inevitability. The current government has hosed things so hard they've spawned an independence movement in the north of England

If feel like if Scotland goes, the rest of England will soon follow.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Now when does Scotland leave?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Northern Ireland or Scotland first?

Once those go, how far behind is Wales?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Jose posted:

as with a lot of the insane stuff our government did after 2010 on top of general austerity was trying to either run things that shouldn't be run at a profit at a profit or making them self financed. the justice system has to be financially self sufficient because of these changes and of course thats an insane idea

this seems like a return to a much older idea when the governmental positions were unpaid/poorly paid and the staff was expected to be part of the household of the office holder. the flip side to this was that corruption was the reward for all the labor.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Jel Shaker posted:

the west wing and assorted american politics have infected u.k. liberals to such an extent that they want to create a democrat party

im remembering the change uk party

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

endlessmonotony posted:

The D&D thread insists this isn't being deliberately cruel to small children for laughs.

What loving else explains the kind of situation where you repackage pasta? loving pasta?

If they're repackaging pasta that's a clear case of malice. Malicious people love positions of petty power like this.

the cruelty is the point. the system is operating as designed and intended. what you are seeing is a highly refined and efficient way to generate as much as possible from the contract, which is the only goal.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

endlessmonotony posted:

I did use the exact words "the cruelty is the point".

This isn't even generating as much profit as possible because you're repackaging loving pasta.

well yeah. single serving dry pasta isn't available in a small little bag like that on a commercial scale. i can still see that with a low labor cost, it would be more profitable to repack bulk dry pasta than to include the smallest common size of dry pasta.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

endlessmonotony posted:

Not when you're doing five days worth of food.

Pasta for two of the days is fine, and the labor cost for splitting up £0.60 bags means you're not saving a meaningful amount.

If you had automated repackaging that would be a different matter and even then it's questionable if it's worth the effort.

but think of all those jobs this is giving the people during this time of need!

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

90s Cringe Rock posted:

how much are those food parcels costing the government or local schools? what's the markup, like 500%

nominal cost per package was 30 or 40 pounds, if I recall. lots of room to make money there. even more than 500%

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Maya Fey posted:

whatever they call "red cheddar" is orange in color, it's the one i remember anyway

yeah you add some sudan red or some lead chromate or both

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Falcorum posted:

Their campaigning leaflets with "labour can't win here! it's between us and the tories" were also amazing and I wouldn't be surprised if at some point it turned out to be a false-flag thing.

ah the magic of "lesser of two evils" voting. your vote, if it has any use at all, isn't about making someone win but making someone lose

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

bird. posted:

Eagerly awaiting this becoming the Scexit thread.

I am an idiot American but I cannot see a future where the UK keeps Northern Ireland or Scotland. Perhaps not today or tomorrow, but as the years tick by those territories will detach and the UK has not the military, political will, connections, or public sympathy to prevent that. The type of government that could suppress the rising tide of freedom from the hated colonial overlord won't be found anytime soon in the UK. Neoliberalism has made them as incapable of making their subjects fear them as they are at making their subjects love them.

The only questions still up in the air are: when will Wales go? Cornwall? And once those go, why not the North?

Congratulations, heirs of Alfred the Great, William the Conqueror, and William of Orange, you've recreated the heptarchy.

bedpan has issued a correction as of 08:42 on Jan 21, 2021

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

gonadic io posted:

Anybody that likes the labour right already prefers either the libdems or the Tories depending on if they consider themselves a good person or not.

another tragic legacy of jeremy corbin

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

oliwan posted:

I used to teach at a very expensive private school, and on of the things I learned about the wealthy is that they absolutely love to outsource raising their children to underpaid nannies and au pairs.

Childcare, and by connection teaching, are fundamentally viewed by many as unworthy, worthless, or nonproductive occupations. To the very wealthy, their time is "too valuable" to waste it on rearing even their own child; you can't network when you are spending days with your progeny.

This attitude is more commonly seen in the animus that people openly display towards teachers and school systems.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

when is the next general election in the UK?

eternal lmao if Bojo rides the coronavirus to reelection. also eternal lmao if Keith stays as labo(u)rs option.

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

90s Cringe Rock posted:

depends

how long do you think the union'll hold

oooooh, good answer

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bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

MikeCrotch posted:

Basically an unspoken law in Britain is that the royal family get to hang around on the taxpayers dime because they have no real power, you just need to get the queen's rubber stamp on things to become law (the "royal assent"). If the monarchy were to actually try anything like exerting power parliament would boot them out.

However it turns out that since the Queen gets all laws passed through her, she and the rest of the royal family can quietly ask for stuff to be changed if it would reveal things like how embarrassingly wealthy the royal family are through things like real estate. It's a big deal because, outside of the pure corruption, the royal family are supposed to be "outside" of politics. If it turns out that the royal family are in fact politically fair game, then people might start asking questions like "why do we pay them so much money" and "should we abolish them".

previous monarchs have done this and this isn't even the first time for liz.

you don't have to go to the extent of withholding royal ascent, just do some back channel negotiation

I think the other time was with some gay marriage thing?

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