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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Communist Thoughts posted:

We are required to hate Nandy but love Speccy Wrong Daily.

But I don't really get why and nobody has ever produced any compelling reason other than vague spooky noises about Blue Labour left nationalists which tbh sounds more likely to win than repeating Corbyns playbook but with a different substitute teacher.

She's also the only normal looking person in the race since thornberry dropped.

Blue Labour can get completely hosed

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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what if we did socialism, but for the volksgemeinschaft community

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Communist Thoughts posted:

this is what i mean lol

you say, "i dunno maybe pitch socialism as the patriotic thing to do? pitch how it can help the people who live here" and labour peeps are like "the cities won't tolerate your racism and homophobia, commandant!"

The working class isn't made up of the ancient rustics Glasman's crew want to appeal to

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Ardennes posted:

Yeah, the Pound is at $1.15 and the fireworks really haven't started yet. On one hand, it could promote British manufacturing/agricultural production, if the UK could take advantage of it or the British economy may be in such poor shape (because of the "Herd Immunity" i.e Wannsee v2) that you will get the worse of both worlds...imports will be immensely more expensive but there is no other choice.
Is there any British manufacturing left?

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Randler posted:

There are British people who aren't English,

Very helpful

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Some good, materialist analysis on the englandfrage here comrades

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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It's wrong to take our foot off the rake, we need to stomp harder next time

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Corbyn shouldn't have insisted that the Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of Zion be reproduced in its entirety in the last manifesto

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Attorney at Funk posted:

when johnson dies and they write his obituary, how many children will they say he's survived by

Oof

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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THE BAR posted:

BORIS' ALIVE?!

He's dead

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Barry Foster posted:

I hope anyone left wing still in the party does to the current leadership what they did to us

sabotage the right

They're going to do a thorough purge.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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There have been many attempts to replace the Labour party but for some reason we're loving morons who love the Labour party and want to hold hands with it and kiss it

E: the SWP were called the International Socialists until they decided some time in the 70s that the time was here to replace Labour. The RCPs Red Front lost a lot of deposits in the late 80s

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Communist Thoughts posted:

ruggers. lacrosse is a girls game

but lol

It's just rugger, if you say ruggers it sets off the pleb infiltrator alarm

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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let's play soccers

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Captain Splendid posted:

I mean, I really dislike George Galloway as a person but I think I'd be ok with him as PM

he's working with CPGB-ML, who are lunatics

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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forkboy84 posted:

No, the CPGB-ML are straight up anti-revisionists, which is to say they are still loving mad that Khrushchev opened up slightly about the abuses of the Stalin era. Big boosters for the DPRK, in fact the party split off from Socialist Labour (in turn an off-shoot in the 90s from Labour when Blair did away with Clause 4 of the party constitution which said "To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service" & was a big fighting point between the right & left of the party from at least the '50s) because the SLP wouldn't be uncritical of the DPRK. It's that usual brain poisoning of lefties old enough to have lift through part or all of the Cold War, defending any state that stands up to the US regardless of how loving awful that state is in its own right. Rather than opposing US/western imperialism while simultaneously noticing that plenty of anti-US places aren't exactly great.

No, the CPGB-ML are actual bonafide tankies, not just Leninists, & that's lunacy. The guy who founded them, Harpal Brar, is also chair of the Stalin Society, which was explicitly set up to defend him & his "legacy", with things like claiming the purges were just a Yezhov thing & Stalin managed to just not notice this was going on & when he did he stopped it & put down Yezhov (no mention of replacing him with noted rapist Beria of course).

For me the icing in the cake is that Harpal Brar has made a fortune as an international businessman exploiting small artisans abroad

uncop posted:

Don't associate GPGB-ML with anti-revisionism, lol. Uncritically batting for the DPRK in the 90's is 110% a hallmark of revisionist ML. They belong to the geriatric conservatism wing of ML where the kinds of things Brezhnev and the DPRK tried to preserve from Stalin's legacy were true communist principles and the stuff they revised basically didn't matter. The homophobia is core, the vision of improvement toward a better society for all is forgivable to lose sight of. Anti-revisionism for them is defense of stale dogma rather than principle.

Anti revisionism is a defense of stale dogma

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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gh0stpinballa posted:

true but I'll probably end up voting for em at the next election if they run cos the labour party is officially a dead end now.

I don't know why you'd choose them even if you absolutely must vote for a communist party. There are probably some out there known for things other than homophobia

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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namesake posted:

I hope one of the lasting legacy of Corbynism is the collapse of all the really garbage left pretend electoral projects because they all joined Labour. Galloway and the Tankie Project are hopefully the last gasp of their lovely grouping and whatever comes next will be actually viable.

I think this could finally be the SWPs moment, this time for sure

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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gh0stpinballa posted:

we live in a one party state and not one of the good ones so i say vote for whoever you want

CPGB-ML are only helping Galloway because they've been haemorrhaging members for the last couple of years and are desperate. They're deader than Labour.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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MikeCrotch posted:

Do you like jazz

Only if it's mandatory and played by racists

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Squizzle posted:

the power that newspapers have in britain is hilarious

It owns that we're ruled by the whims of buggy whip manufacturers

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Glinner, has only got one ball

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

That's like punishing the #1 Europe fans though, for a vote many of them weren't even allowed to participate in, and the ones who were in many cases didn't get a chance to vote because the company sending out the ballots did it in the most incompetent way possible. (Though I have to assume it was actually purposefully incompetent)

I suppose you could do a simple test and just yell "Two world wars" and if they respond with "one world cup" then they get kicked out and Spain can auction off their houses to Germans.

They are absolutely not the #1 Europe fans. One idiot at my workplace voted for Brexit then immediately retired to Spain.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Why would you post this brutal Mum own

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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gh0stpinballa posted:

idk if i can bring myself to vote labour at the next election, might go with cpgb

I have bad news for you about the cpgb

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

The Communist Pedophile Group of Britain?

Gerry Healy died decades ago

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Brits will elect anything if the alternative is a thoroughly decent person who wants to make everyone's lives at least a little better.

I haven't seen much of Starmer, but my impression is that he's the kind of pod person who's allowed to get Labour votes-

That's not true. We elected Attlee, and he wanted things to be better. Of course, he achieved his improvements to the British way of life through the ruthless exploitation of our remaining colonies. What the British don't like is politicians who will admit that people in other countries have worth and are human

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Greyfriars Bobby owned a cannon foundry

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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V. Illych L. posted:

by killer instinct i mean a willingness to jump at the opportunity when afforded to her. it's stupid in that she jumps at stuff that blows her up such as the incident that got her sacked, but she remains relatively young for a great office of state (though not exceptionally so) and she's got all the attributes others have mentioned (attractive, psychopathic, intensely racist) which make her a contender - you'll note, though, that i was arguing *against* her candidacy in that post so if i'm missing something fundamental here i'm not alone

as for may calling the 2017 GE it's obvious in retrospect, but given her objective circumstances it wasn't that dumb imo - polls were very heavily favouring her and she had a lot of the press more or less on her pocket. the problem imo was that the demonisation if corbyn's labour hadn't yet been given either specific form or moral impulse, so when people saw what he had to offer they were pretty happy about it and corbyn was still seem as a basically honourable if somewhat kooky chap

something can be a really bad mistake without being stupid in the sense that it was obvious to reasonable people at the time. i recall a certain defiant pessimism in the ukmt itself at the time regarding whether labour should've whipped against the election, which i found very illuminating and where i thought that the anti-whip crowd were more reasonable. by all indications, that election was may's to lose - she turned out to be an impossibly bad campaigner, but that wasn't really foreseeable from her camp's perspective or from what i gather is the received wisdom of electoral campaigns these days, I.e. that a lead is best preserved by going to ground and leaving the other guy to campaign

I know the other guy said you shouldn't stop posting but I disagree

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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An officer of her majesty's navy would never do a bad thing so we don't need any of your American permissive action link nonsense

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Olympic Mathlete posted:

You should see more of the UK, there's loads of spots with beautiful beaches... Some are often virtually empty even in summer.

Do not visit our depressing dying seaside towns

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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oliwan posted:

so now that the options in the UK are batshit crazy conservatives or centrist neolibs, has anyone actually thought about creating a party on the left?

George Galloway has started a new party that captures the spirit of the times by being leftwing but also hating gays and wearing flat caps

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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hello my name is therattle and i love colonial states and want to kiss them on the lips

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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therattle posted:

Yes, I oppose it too. I believe in Israel's right to exist, but I cannot stand the current government, hate Netanyahu, and think annexation is deeply wrong. I am sure that everyone here gets equally worked up about Saudi Arabia (my personal fave), Sri Lanka, Brazil, Russia, Syria, etc, right? I see people writing "Death to Saudi Arabia!" all the time. And Australia too, for that matter.


Believe it or not I don't really value the opinion of someone who believes a spectacularly discredited ideology. Let me guess, it just hasn't been implemented properly yet?

Friend, the objective science of Leninism-Frank Furedi Thought has been tested and found to be correct

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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endlessmonotony posted:

This is C-SPAM not D&D stop falling for the lovely troll.

The only reason to not put therattle on ignore and stop replying to them is if you believe they will make a post worth reading.

The ignore button is for cowards, just actually ignore them

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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redleader posted:

curious as to what you think the best alternative is

Something that doesn't inconvenience him or raise any taxes

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Pizza Segregationist posted:

As an american I have to say I'm astonished how effective these blatantly cynical accusations of antisemitism have been in british politics. Great country y'all have there. I hope Scotland secedes and leaves you as a backwater yearning for the glory days of the empire

we're lovely but at least we're not the current imperial centre

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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Jose posted:

i never voted labour before corbyn, joined the party to vote for him and have no quit and will likely not vote labour for the foreseeable future

Same except I voted for red ed

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gordopolitz/status/1267800929820123136

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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MikeCrotch posted:

I understand what Starmer is doing but I'm also baffled

I'm sure there's a good strategic reason he's making GBS threads himself and smearing the poo poo on his own face

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

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gh0stpinballa posted:

if i do bother voting it'll probably be cpgb or something. it will be just as wasted as voting for labour.

There is no CPGB. It literally does not exist anymore

E: beaten badly

Vote CPGB-ML if you think that banning "LGBT ideology" is a good move for a party.

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