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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/sabrina_huck/status/1223358824675008513?s=21

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

oliwan posted:

I'm sorry but they would expect British people to learn to speak their language from where they came from so why shouldn't they have to learn English if they come to live here? Inside their own home they can speak any language they want but when speaking to a British person they should speak English.

The flats are their own homes, you pillock.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Now Brexit has happened, any move towards Scottish independence would be a move away from American corporate exploitation. They're going to go Killing Hope on the ScotNats' backsides. As for the EU, remember how they held off from granting Ukraine membership thanks to the Russian invasion? No way they're going to go for an asset that risky if England sends in the troops.

This is not an argument against Scottish nationalism as an ideal, per se, but you need to understand that it's likely to be a long bloody road and no strong imperial daddy is coming to save you.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

GABA ghoul posted:

Didn't Clinton spend several times more on electioneering than trmyp? Did I remember that wrong? The right wing media really did a number on her which is why I think ol' Bernie will lose as badly as John Corbyn. htbh

Yeah, but Trump got a shitload of freebies from corporate media. Like, yeah, he didn't technically dollar-for-dollar buy his way in, but he was definitely a beneficiary of America's moneyed elite.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I think Cummings is safer than a Trump advisor because Johnson is a lazy poo poo who wants to soak up adulation and do gently caress-all else. It's Cummings himself who's the psychotic backstabbing flavour of narcissist.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

Ehhhhhhh, we'd have said the same about Steve Bannon. Turns out lazy shits eventually turf out psycho backstabbing advisors when they cause more problems than they solve. Eventually Dom is going to have hosed off enough Tory MPs that it'll cause Bozza Legend a headache.

You're missing the point. Trump needs to be in control on a far more pathological level than Johnson, who mostly just shows up for fancy dinners. He didn't get rid of Bannon for the good of the Republican Party, he got rid of him because he pushed his buttons the wrong way, and it's not clear that Johnson has quite the same buttons.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

redleader posted:

the remnants of the uk will absolutely be begging to get back in on any terms in like 20-30 years

Very much depends on how well the EU survives the climate crisis. It's looking a tad brittle.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Go on, then.

What is a proper alternative argument to non-racist fear and resentment of immigrants, and how does it sway votes from people who would otherwise vote for Tezza and Bojo when they go on a podium and promise to get rid of all the Poles?

Point out that harsher immigration restrictions aren't actually about kicking out foreigners, but undermining workers' rights. Companies still want them, and the government will still let them in on 'temporary' visas that they're tacitly encouraged to overstay, but if their presence here is illegal, they have no legal redress to abuse and exploitation by employers (because the police will just deport them). End result, you get a slave underclass who have zero political representation and are dehumanised by the media, and are used to undercut wages and destroy collective bargaining. You know, exactly like how things are in the US.

Immigration controls undermine collective bargaining by creating a labour black market, and undermine democracy by creating a non-citizen underclass.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

gonadic io posted:

Won't...that just make the spread worse?

They'll also be removing limits on working hours, just to make sure everyone's tired, stressed, and overcrowded.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
TBF, he has already raised a small percentage of his children under his family name. He's not completely unused to the experience.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

It's a deliberate visual gag by Sky. The punchline is in the audio that video is missing.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

V. Illych L. posted:

also if britain can just be rid of a lot of old people it'd make budgeting much easier, old people are very expensive and they should be passing down most of their wealth and assets anyway to create new tories

literally saying 'yeah your old relatives are going to have to go' was probably not super smart though

lol, read that Times front page closely. They're literally reducing quality standards in care homes.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518371651649538?s=21

A behavioural scientist explains the government's logic. It's, uh, probably not as reassuring as he wanted it to be.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

XMNN posted:

I actually loving read that thread and if that is even close to their plan it is literally loving psychopathic

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238518383693496320?s=20

https://twitter.com/iandonald_psych/status/1238560476663070720?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1238970249254506496?s=21

Buh?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Pipski posted:

Meanwhile, at the Telegraph...



:tipshat:

The paywall fadeout on that article is beautiful. Go look for it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
lol, you're looking at a movement that calls itself 'Blue Labour' and has 'Faith, Flag, Family' as its slogan (cribbed from the High Tory Cornerstone Group) and you're going 'but what if they aren't actually racist'.

Maurice Glasman, the group's founder, argued for outreach to the loving EDL.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Bust Rodd posted:

wait the U.K. hasn’t closed bars and restaurants or banned large gatherings yet?

Well, see, a fair number of them are run by Brexit donors, sooo...

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

the government has advised people not to go to bars and restaurants, and has advised people not to hold large gatherings

all the places closing and events shutting are private responses. which sucks for insurance!

Insurance companies have confirmed that they don't consider government-mandated closure a valid reason to claim insurance, though.

https://twitter.com/matt_dathan/status/1239865584973684737?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

gonadic io posted:

no you see yesterday it was upgraded to, quote, strong advice!

Also the schools are shut at least, finally.

To everyone who isn't a 'key worker'.

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1240943876803870722?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

this isn't a pandemic as far as the british stance on the irish goes...

it's an opportunity

Strong chance the Republic is going to come out of this significantly better than we do.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

90s Cringe Rock posted:

I can't believe the big thing for April 2020 is going to be PM Gove.

It'll only be the big thing for April if he's really speedy about absorbing Raab.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Uncle Wemus posted:

Is there some kind of magical curse on brexit?

The curse is Brexit.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

wait a sec, your argument is that boris johnson needs to quickly recover so he can lead the country and resolve the crisis. because if he wasn't around, no decisions would be made nor policies enacted. boris johnson. that guy.

The alternative is Dominic Raab.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

euphronius posted:

why would the quean send a message to his family if he was OK?

As an expression of sympathy. Royal sympathy, mind you, not actual sympathy.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Gringostar posted:

there have been some cases where people start making a recovery and then get wrecked in like the span of an hour or two and die

what im saying is don't give up hope just yet

Think he already had that happen, though. It's how he ended up in the ICU in the first place.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/allisonpearson/status/1248952159825268736?s=21

Intergenerational fairness. Christ.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Oh, he'll never see those if he can help it.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
This is an interesting thread. The FT finally started mapping excess deaths by country and region:

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1254461123753054209?s=21

For U.K.-specific stuff, it looks like London and the West Midlands got hammered much, much harder than anyone else.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/bethrigby/status/1258674594136961031?s=21

The vultures are gathering.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

hemale in pain posted:

i wonder if he's changed his mind about that now probably not

Funnily enough, it does actually look like he and Cummings actually learned something from catching a life-threatening illness, which is why the right-wing media are presently briefing against the government.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

Rustybear posted:

Sorry what, did The Sunday Times actually print "Matt Handjob".

https://twitter.com/roddy_campbell/status/1246762357130395648?s=21

It's true. All of it, it's all true.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
https://twitter.com/apesahoy/status/1261742743103180800?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

therattle posted:

She was given the chance to retract and apologise, and didn't. (I have no idea why; what did she think would happen?). I think that's what did for her - plus a context where Starmer had to show ruthlessness and decisiveness.

Eh? What are you on about?

https://twitter.com/rlong_bailey/status/1276161748664496128?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

oliwan posted:

therattle, can you please give an example of this leftist "manufactured outrage" that you mention?

He was specifically referring to the Canary, who are pretty journalistically shoddy as I recall.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

No more or less than the Mail.

(There's complaints about the Canary which are good, like how close they are to the Chris Williamson Defence Squad but "journalistically shoddy" seems about par for UK paper so why hold them to a higher standard?)

I mean, 'they're only as bad as the Mail' is itself pretty damning.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

therattle posted:

moan all you want about KS but anything is better than this sack of poo poo and his ilk. Edit: meaning Johnson, not oliwan!

Starmer used a Hamilton reference to dismiss protests against police racism and brutality days after the Met took selfies alongside the corpse of a black Labour activist. Be careful what you wish for.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

MikeCrotch posted:

Everything he says is to appeal to 50-60 year old white people in the ex industrial north & midlands. Everything makes sense viewed through that lens.

Also his long term plan is to win the media over by convincing capital he'll be a better steward of the capitalist state than Johnson

50-60-year-old people in the ex-industrial north and midlands, you say?

https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1278313863654580225?s=21

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

NGC773 posted:

Seeing as the vast majority of low paid workers are in their 20s and that if you are under 50 the chances of you dying from COVID is ridiculously low no one should be worried.



If you have a pre-existing condition then you should follow government advice and take extra measures to isolate. If you are over 50, isolate.

A vaccine is at least 6+ months away, what would you continue a strict lockdown and complete shut down of the economy until then? If you think Brexit is bad, then shutting down an economy for that period will be 10x worse.

You are aware that COVID can cause nasty long-term damage even if it doesn't just outright kill you within weeks, yes? Are you at all familiar with the UK's safety net for sick and disabled people, or lack thereof?

COVID-19 antibodies also don't seem to stick around very long, meaning that it soon becomes the pre-existing condition that makes your next dose more potentially lethal.

Darth Walrus has issued a correction as of 13:08 on Jul 7, 2020

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Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I do seem to remember that he looked measurably more like poo poo after coming out of the hospital, and it never really went away (despite his high baseline of looking like poo poo).

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