[UK] Baron Cameron of Chipping Norton's ripely pursed lips betrayed velvety pleasure

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twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Pre-Brexit thread can be found by following this quote:

Pollyanna posted:

omg is befit finally bag groundhog

twoday has issued a correction as of 01:32 on Feb 1, 2020

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:29

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 08:21

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Pretty much almost nothing has changed for the average Brit since 6 months ago, because most of the effects of Brexit have been delayed yet again until Jan 1, 2021. As of today, the main difference is that the UK is no longer a part of the decision-making process of the EU. How and what will change depends on the deal that is agreed upon between now and then, if any. Hard Brexit is still possible, and now the EU has little reason to negotiate fairly other than out of an interest to avoid causing a humanitarian crisis.

In the meantime the US is doing their best to swoop in and negotiate a trade deal that will allow them to become the UK's most influential trading partner, though presumably they have competition from the EU and China and other major powers. How that unfolds will be interesting, so stay tuned!

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# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:41

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Isizzlehorn posted:

Well, post what I was gonna post before: How likely is the EU to give Britain more than Jan 2021 to negotiate trade deals before it truly becomes the garbage fire it desperately wants to be?

Mostly want to start thread watching once things pop off and avoid the Tory gloating until then.

I don't think there were many, if any, tories in the last thread

I think by now the EU is sick of endless negotiating, and having a whole extra year seems more than enough to negotiate a deal. IIRC they have already figured out a solution to the Northern Ireland problem, which was to make the trade border effectively be between NI and Britain, enforced by the UK entirely (which allows of course for a tremendous loophole of smuggling opportunities, and various other problems). I think most of the extension is to grant even further time for companies and governments to adjust to the reality of things, and work out some small kinks

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:50

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Squizzle posted:

unusual meter but the couplet works

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:52

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Jose posted:

Someone marry me so I can flee I'll punish your posting enemies

what's the dowry here, do you have claim to any titles?

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:53

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Jose posted:

I'll make sure you get to be ik in the new fast food forum that might be made

hop on the ferry at newcastle before they shut down the port due to coronavirus, you have yourself a husband

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:58

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

bring mushroom ketchup and cider

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 01:59

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

doomrider7 posted:

What would this mean for the country who gets the nod?

well, the UK's previous trade agreements were all within the context of the EU, which functioned as a single economic block. Now the UK economy is up for grabs, and they are starting from a nearly blank slate. So now the US, for instance, can arrange entirely new trade deals. One thing the US is keen to do recently is trade food. This is because the regulations for food production in the US are much less stringent than in the EU. So for instance, GMO vegetables are banned in the EU, as well as various techniques for processing meat, such as the famous "chlorinated chicken." If the US can secure a trade deal with with the UK that allows them to sell these products there, there are substantial profits to be made. Because the US rules are laxer, it makes production of these products cheaper. So if the US secures a trade deal with the UK that allows these products to be imported (which would have been a violation of EU law), then the US sellers can undercut the European and British chicken farmers, and sell much cheaper products, and thus sell a lot of chicken, and thus make more money. Now that the UK is free from EU regulations, they can arrange such deals.

Also, the tories are pushing to defund the NHS and privatize healthcare. America is also heavily involved in the private healthcare industry, and it would stand to gain a lot if similar things happened in the British healthcare system.

Now, apply that logic to China and the EU and the other big global trading powers. Pretty much, the UK is now for sale. Whoever woos them with the best offer can influence their laws in a way that was not previously possible, and secure a lot of potential profit.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 02:44

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Conversely, this is bad for UK consumers. Because the UK is a much smaller economy than the entire EU, which it was a part of when it made previous deals, that means that they now have much less leverage in negotiations with larger economies and fewer regulatory protections. They're on their own

However the UK can not sustain itself and ~~wants~~ needs the business of these larger countries to stay afloat as a nation, but they have relatively little to offer in return, so they have to bend over backwards and change their laws and standards to secure this sort of deal. While this is bad for the average UK citizen, it's great for the extremely wealthy Brits who can buy shares and otherwise profit from these trade deals. The interests of those people are represented by the tories, who currently run the country with an overwhelming majority.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 02:51

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

yeah, but I was also using the food industry as an example. The tories want to privatize everything, and shift control from public towards private interests. The same process will occur with regards to energy resources, healthcare, airlines, and pretty much all sectors of the economy. Brexit under a tory government provides a blank slate which feckless corporate interests can exploit.

for instance, one thing the brexiteers used as propaganda was the fishing industry. Under the EU laws, much of the fishing rights in UK waters went to European (largely Dutch and Spanish) ships. British fishers were told that Brexit would "give them back control" of their waters. Not true! The fishing rights will remain in control of the european fishers because the tories don't actually give a poo poo about the british fishers, and want only to make as much profit as possible, which they can do by selling the fishing rights to european megacorps and not to poor british fishers.

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# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 03:14

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

The UK voters are not happy with me--that's okay, I'll still keep eating that herring.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 03:19

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

the other thing about the fishing industry is that the particular fish which any individual country eats were cemented into nationalist tradition centuries ago, and for various reasons including climate change since the Little Ice Age, British consumers no longer desire the fish which are available in their own waters. Fish and Chips needs whitefish, which are now more commonly found in Nordic and Icelandic waters; and the sprats and langoustines and octopodes which are found in British waters are more commonly consumed in Scandinavia, France, Portugal and elsewhere abroad where there are stronger traditions and commercial demands for them. British waters are filled with herring for instance, and while there is a demand in the UK for kippers it's not strong enough to consume all of the British herring, so much of it must be sold to places like Holland and Sweden for the fishers to turn a decent profit. This great exchange of fish worked much more smoothly under a single market. Now, even if the British had control of their waters (which they won't), it wouldn't do them much good because they would be catching a bunch of fish that Brits don't want to eat.

Imagine 4 fish that can't be used to make fish and chips lying on the edge of a British fishing boat. Brexit works the same way.

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 03:52

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

same but the global economy

# ¿ Feb 1, 2020 04:28

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

tories have very powerful chaos energy

# ¿ Feb 2, 2020 03:24

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Imagine being some EU bureaucrat having to negotiate any kind of deal with Britain in the coming year

I would just quit my job and start a new career, I think

# ¿ Feb 2, 2020 03:34

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Stoatbringer posted:

Well, that didn't take long.

Racist Brexit sign demanding tower block residents speak English reported to police

eyyyyy im speakin the the Queens English ova here

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 17:56

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Squizzle posted:

oh whoops. seemed like a post you would really make tho

# ¿ Feb 3, 2020 18:05

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

oliwan posted:

lmao, can you quote one single cspam post of mine to support this op? just one?

ah, I was about to translate some of your dutch posts, but I see you used the qualified "cpam post"

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 19:13

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

oliwan posted:

feel free to show a dutch post of mine that is in any way right wing op

Well, as the IK/mini-mod of the Dutch thread one of my only policies was to crack down on people making fun of Flemish and Frisian and Afrikaans, because some posters who speak those things said they felt harassed. Then someone made a post saying Frisian is not a real language (it is legally recognized as one of the two languages of the Netherlands), and I gave them a sixer. At this point you made a long sincere post about why this was wrong of me to do, and it ended with:

oliwan posted:

We hebben echt geen Amerikanen nodig die ons gaan vertellen wat voor grappen we over andere Nederlandse taalvarianten mogen maken, het is een beetje weird moet ik zeggen.

(Translation: We really don't need any Americans telling us what kind of jokes we can make about "Dutch language variants", it's a little weird I must say.)

And then you offered to take over as IK. So even though I am a Dutch citizen and equal to you under the law, you said that because I am an immigrant who recently learned the language, I have no right to meddle in the linguistic affairs of this country. After this there were several pages of discussion during which everyone else intensely disagreed with you. The underlying linguistic
chauvinism and nativist sentiment, however, is functionally indistinguishable from these "joke posts" of yours in this thread:

oliwan posted:

Sorry but i bloody agree i aint racist i have worked with people who have been in england for over 5 years and still cant speak english but somehowbget a job. Sorry but f i was to immigrate im making sure im fluent in the mother tounge b4 i even step foot. Why shoukd e have to try and understand them wen they dont want to learn.

oliwan posted:

I just don't go to a restaurant again if the staff insist on speaking their mother tongue when they can speak English as it's just downright rude. As for holidays I find that most people speak excellent English and admire the fact they are bilingual. When I'm on holiday I always show respect for the culture and countries I visit. The only place I found this difficult to adhere to was America as they were loud and brash... but maybe that's just the part I visited.

oliwan posted:

On public transport, I find it rude when others don’t just speak their own language, but shout in their own language to each other, it really does make you feel uncomfortable. When we go to other countries on holidays you go their to take in the culture and try as much as you can to learn the language.

oliwan posted:

I'm sorry but they would expect British people to learn to speak their language from where they came from so why shouldn't they have to learn English if they come to live here? Inside their own home they can speak any language they want but when speaking to a British person they should speak English.

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So I repeat myself,

Squizzle posted:

seemed like a post you would really make tho

twoday has issued a correction as of 20:41 on Feb 5, 2020

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:09

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

speaking of immigration,

https://twitter.com/Nclarke30/status/1225121693179371520?s=20

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:28

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

twoday has issued a correction as of 14:00 on Feb 6, 2020

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:47

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

An insane mind posted:

Look guys we're all terrible and Dutch is a beautifully terrible language with a load of faults but can we keep the Dutch fighting out of the UK thread?

Agreed, sorry for the derail, I will withhold from posting here further on this matter

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:49

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

https://twitter.com/premnsikka/status/1225133613634768896?s=20

didn't know Bercow was Jewish

it would have been great if he had said all this about not never experiencing anti-semitic attacks from labour back when there was the whole controversy about it

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:53

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

oh ok

good

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 20:55

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Squizzle posted:

also difficult to imagine anyone dutch trying to set up shop somewhere they arent wanted or liked

look, I said I was sorry for the derail

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 21:15

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 21:18

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

thank you thank you, but I do feel bad about this random derail, post UK politics stuff

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 21:27

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

the "wildly overvaluing stuff" was a reference to tulipmania I believe

There was some new IndyWales data the other day, and compared to one or two years ago the numbers are still shockingly high:

https://twitter.com/roger_scully/status/1224610730525196288?s=20

# ¿ Feb 5, 2020 21:30

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

In summary, The Netherlands is a land of contrasts. If anyone cares to discuss the low countries in English we can make a thread for that but please let's try to give the brits back their thread, they're going through a lot right now

# ¿ Feb 6, 2020 01:21

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1225551662900744192?s=19

# ¿ Feb 7, 2020 14:57

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1225327517072023552?s=20

# ¿ Feb 7, 2020 15:11

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

The Dutch later explained that the queues were due to training new border personnel, and that it was unrelated to Brexit

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 17:03

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Although there is an explanation that they were training to prepare them for brexit by testing out 2021 protocols, as happened at that train station in Paris which caused four hour delays

# ¿ Feb 14, 2020 17:23

twoday: May 4, 2005; C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Samurai Sanders posted:

Is this where the Economist advocates a unified Ireland? I mean, that magazine has been around for like 200 years or something, so I wonder if they have directly incited any other bloodshed before.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/09/05/when-the-economist-blamed-irish-peasants-for-starving-to-death/

quote:

The Economist is going through a firestorm of criticism because it reviewed a book on slavery and suggested it was biased for taking the slaves� side. The Economist furthermore suggested that slaves� accounts of cruel treatment from their masters were an unreliable guide to reality because:

quote:
Slave owners surely had a vested interest in keeping their �hands� ever fitter and stronger to pick more cotton. Some of the rise in productivity could have come from better treatment.

The Economist has since apologized for this review and withdrawn it. Even so, its extraordinary blindness to how real life economic power relations work is reminiscent of the magazine�s beginnings in the 19th century, when it fulminated at the very idea that the British government should do anything about the Irish famine that was happening on its doorstep. After all, it was the peasants� own fault that they were starving. [see quote below]

In both instances, The Economist�s deep-rooted fondness of laissez faire slipped into a shameful tendency to minimize the human costs of those at the wrong end of the system, whether it was those who suffered and were murdered beneath the whip of slavery or those who starved to death, in part thanks to The Economist�s own vigorous advocacy.