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Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

the easiest number of streamers to keep track of is zero. i have a youtube extension that only shows videos from subscribed channels, so i can subscribe to something she can use, like a follow-along for practicing music, without worrying about her getting lost in some low quality bullshit.

children need education, books, and toys. they do not need the loving internet. at all.

i have seen my nine year old's peers. i know which ones have the internet brain. it sucks.

My kid is asking where the YouTube search bar went. He's on to me.

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Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

My kid seems to have figured out how to get around the Unhook youtube blocker extension. Hopefully there's some other solution that doesn't include throwing the laptop into the sea.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

loquacius posted:

If you have a young child, for many people the choice between a single-income and dual-income household is wholly aesthetic, because the parent that earns less will be making about as much money, total, as it costs to get the childcare necessary for a dual-income household.

Yes but if you stop working and have a gap in your employment history it can be harder to start working again in future when daycare is no longer required. It's a great system.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

My kid asked me whether people will be ready to leave the earth in anticipation of the sun's terminal expansion into a red giant and what kind of wide-eyed optimist am I raising.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Many better Robert Munsch options anyway, Mortimer for example.

Shown here me after 8pm any given day.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Elissimpark posted:

Learning to anticipate activities and items that will generate havok or mess and then avoiding them is like 90% of parenting.

Alternatively you can just learn to live in the middle of chaos and shambles. Many approaches.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

My older kid got into Minecraft recently and now it's a constant subject of conversation along with reading Minecraft-themed books and graphic novels to the exclusion of all else. I knew we should have lied about the existence of video games until they were 18.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Probably the best parenting move we made recently was install the "Unhook" browser extension and have it disable 95% of Youtube features. Now when the page loads it only shows videos from subscribed channels, everything else like the search bar and video recommendations don't appear. Even as an adult it's a big improvement to the site, esp as before installing it the algorithm had apparently decided I wanted to see lots and lots of UFC video recommendations.

Minecraft has admittedly been very useful as an incentive to get the kid to do their homework+music practice etc etc but it becoming their primary interest has been a bummer. Before we were using other educational games as the incentive and we thought Minecraft would be another good option, but the impact has been much different.

KirbyKhan posted:

Everything the children get into is evil and for the devil. This is how it's always been.
Definitely would have been watching streamers to see how to get Mario into minus land had that been an option back then, not claiming any moral high ground here.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

It can be tough when a kid expresses a preference for one parent over the other but the good news is they eventually grow out of it.

Younger kid handed me an envelope today containing a note that simply reads "I don't love you Dada".

Ok it can take a while.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Benagain posted:

Random question, I'm trying to get my 2.5 year old boosted and apparently her main provider either isn't stocking them right now or has no plans to? I'm trying to find a place that stocks the booster that will vaccinate under 3 yrs old around Chicago if anyone has any leads.

It appears to be a real pain for under three year olds to get boosters right now. It was difficult enough for our four year old as our pediatrician's office similarly doesn't stock the booster. Don't have any specific recommendations for the Chicago area unfortunately. I'm guessing you looked into the CVS "minute clinics", which seem to be the only pharmacy option for under three year olds? Alternatively you might try checking out independent pediatric practices, some provide shots or have clinics open to non-patients. This is how we got our younger kid their primary series shots when we learned our pediatrician's office didn't provide them and none of the pharmacies had them in stock.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

lobster shirt posted:

gonna crosspost from the a/t parenting thread in case you wonderful people have any advice

hello parenting thread, here is a problem in my house that i am not sure how to approach.
....

Young children often develop a preference for a specific parent. My four year old still very much prefers their mother and tells me this in strong terms. However we were able to have me take over their bedtime routine and other specific activities, partially by making it clear that I was going to be doing them and partially through grit+tricks. It was easier that they were a bit older too, two/three year olds are very different from three/four year olds. One suggestion might be to make it clear a certain enjoyable activity only happens with their mother, for example baking cookies? Also not having the favourite parent present when that happens helped a lot.

Regarding balance that is always hard. Especially in your case as infants require so much attention.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

lobster shirt posted:

your kid might not get covid but he or she is definitely going to bring home some excruciating illnesses and infect your whole house. here is the last few months of my daycare experience:

week before thanksgiving: kid picks up a nasty cold, infects me, misses three or four days of daycare.

first week of december: right after going back to daycare, gets sick again, doctor diagnoses pneumonia. thankfully disease does not spread any further and responds quickly to antibiotics. misses three days of daycare.

week of christmas: kid gets sick again, cold leading to double ear infection. responds quickly to antibiotics but not before infecting me, i spread it to my mother in law and wife. does not miss any daycare because its the holidays and theyre closed.

this week: some kind of viral cold knocks him out of daycare for two days. negative covid test. thankfully the fever broke two nights ago and he is fine now.

kids are loving disgusting, they spend all day coughing and sneezing and drooling into each others mouths and ears.
Accurate, my kids mask at school every day and we've still been sick at least once a month including well over half the Christmas holiday with various non-COVID illness. It is wild.

PerniciousKnid posted:

I finally caved and sent my 2yo to daycare unmasked (he won't wear them) today, because we need desperately need the help. Hopefully we're not all hanging around the house this summer with blown-out lungs, but I held out as long as I could. :sigh:
Lots of parents had to go through this same process, ourselves included. It's tough.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

brugroffil posted:

What's some good things to do with a 4 and a 6 year old in Dublin and the southern half Ireland? Cork, Killarney etc

My then 4 year old was fairly intrigued by the Dublin Natural History Museum though maybe google that one in advance because it might not be for every kid...

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

When I was young we had pet rodents and one of my main parenting goals is to not put my children through that. So many unhappy gerbils...

No space for a dog and we're allergic to cats so hoping the kids will accept pet rubber tree plants if the question ever comes up.

ikanreed posted:

This seems to be glossing over that they called their cat Yuri

nothing wrong with naming your cat after the discoverer of the heaviest known element, Yuri Oganessian

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

loquacius posted:

WELP. Wife (pregnant) just tested positive for COVID. I thought it was over??? 2yo and I are both testing negative but I have a PCR scheduled for this afternoon now. No severe symptoms just yet, she lost her sense of taste this morning and has been coughing a lot but that's it so far

Are you in the US? If so your wife can likely get Paxlovid. There are instructions in the COVID thread OP if you decide to go this route, though ideally your doctor would prescribe it.

To be clear statistically your wife will very likely recover without problem. Hope they feel better and you avoid it.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

BonHair posted:

Yeah, but I kinda feel like my high score benefits from avoiding trauma and such, plus getting them some good values.

Speaking of, my five year old told his mother that cars are bad because they kill the animals, and also USA is bad because they love cars and weapons. We have a slight disagreement about how big of a parenting victory that is...

Nice, that's a W IMO.

Semi-related my kid recently asked what is meant by "interest". I gave IMO a fairly neutral description of loans with interest and debt. It was interesting how repulsed they were at the idea that the debtors would need to pay back more than they borrowed, and that in some cases the interest could add up to make the debt unpayable. It seemed like a very authentic reaction from someone without any preconceptions about the institution. Like kids need to be extensively inculcated to accept notions like usury or war or that a bunch of animals will be killed by cars every day, and that otherwise find them objectionable.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Maybe more a question for the video game makers thread, but has anyone being trying to help their kid to learn how to make video games and programs? My older kid has been interested in making games for a while, and has been doing lots of stuff in MIT's Scratch. Scratch is fantastic and can be used to make some unexpectedly great things, but recently my kid has been asking to learn other non-block coding languages like python or whatever to make games. Unfortunately they bounced off code.org for some reason even though it seems like a good starting point, and also they haven't been enthusiastic about using the python Arcade library even though it looks fairly appropriate. Are there other platforms or tutorials that people have used successfully? Should we just start learning to use Unity already?

As for the wisdom of encouraging this interest, I'm ambivalent. We restrict screen time a lot and I don't think my childhood interest in video games helped me much as a person. However they appear legitimately interested and it's spurring other interests in math so it might be fine? The goal is definitely to develop problem solving skills and not some misguided notion of setting them up for a future career. They've become much less interested in Minecraft recently too, which has been welcome.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

PerniciousKnid posted:

What kind of help do they need? I'd say letting them spend hours trawling articles and videos for ideas and galaxy-braining themselves into programming their visual novel in Icon would be an important life lesson.
:mad:

DR FRASIER KRANG posted:

get the kid the newest RPG Maker is my suggestion. I think it's on Switch now.

Another Bill posted:

I've done some simple platformer stuff with my kids in Gamemaker. The coding is mostly javascript level and there are tons of tutorials. What cool about it is you can export the executables to android devices (but not iPhones/iPads last I checked) which gives it a real cool factor for kids imo.

They also offer beginner classes aimed at kids on https://outschool.com

e: I wish I had time to play with this stuff more, I was building a simple Double Dragon style beat em up set in my neighborhood and had begun a Toronto-specific deck builder too. Alas, maybe in another life.
Thanks, these are great suggestions! More time would definitely be nice, for this and in general.

BonHair posted:

I don't have any experience or qualified opinion, but I'd treat it like an interest in carpentry or similar. Focus on what the kid wants to create and have them figure out how to with guidance, which probably means YouTube tutorials nowadays. Only instead of a tree house, it's a MUD or something. I'd be careful of engineer brain if they just learn the tools without anything to use them for.
This is generally good advice too, thanks.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

sonatinas posted:

could learn red stone mechanics on Minecraft

You're joking but there's no end to the Minecraft rabbit hole:


I dislike that these books exist and that we have both of them. We got them second hand from other parents that were likely trying to offload them and I look forward to doing the same.

Though probably the most impressive Minecraft-derivative media products are "The Creepier Diaries":

Simultaneously piggy-backing off the popularity of Minecraft and the Diary of a Wimpy Kid series, it's so cynical and genius. My kid loves them.

I complain about the excessive Minecraft interest and the whole product ecosystem based on and encouraging it, but must admit I did like getting my Nintendo Powers as a kid.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Bone Crimes posted:

This is a problem I tried to solve, but was never able to really answer 'what's next after Scratch?'. A class my son was taking now uses Godot https://godotengine.org/ as the next step, but I haven't researched it yet. They were originally using some javascript package, but I guess that didn't work out. This is a hard question as scratch incorporates so much (IDE, Resources, Code Sharing, Media Editing, etc.) that other non-unity packages just don't offer. And there is such a big jump from Scratch to Unity/Unreal/Gamemaker/etc.

I would say that the programming I did as a kid (TI99/4A) was hugely important to how I understand problems and what computers can do/not do. We also limit screen time, but I also realize that our kids will interact with computers every day for their entire lives, and strongly think that understanding them, how they're used, and how to best use them is critical education, regardless if they end up coding. So I try to encourage their interests as best I can. Right now, my son is learning how to use davinci resolve to make cool stuffy videos with green screen. Previously it was more about game coding, but now its more about Minecraft modding.

Also, my wife and I thought a long time about if we should let the kids have Minecraft, and how much screentime to let them have etc. etc. What turned the tide though was this tweet:

https://twitter.com/Merman_Melville/status/1254248452604624898?s=20

Which resonated with me, as I don't want to deny my kids their generation's cultural touchstones. And like it or not, minecraft is that.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Part of the problem is Scratch is just really very good for kids to make little self-contained projects, so much so that switching to other programming platforms or languages either feels like a downgrade or a massive increase in complexity. Definitely looking into Godot and some of the other suggested options, though part of the challenge is just finding the time to go through this stuff with them.

That's a good point about video games and Minecraft is fairly omnipresent. They're even doing a Minecraft-based "battle of the boroughs" challenge right now at school, so some interest is clearly inevitable. It seems like the thread consensus is at least it's not Roblox.

Related, for any parents with younger children "Scratch Jr" can be fun and the learning curve is not so bad for kids in the 4-6 year old range. My kids sometimes even work together on collaborative little animations, including one where I was thrown in prison while starfish (?) spun around the screen with screaming sounds mixed in. Every kid wants to throw their parents into ocean jail at least once in their childhood.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

KirbyKhan posted:

I'm thinking real hard about getting crayons for my toddler. His first etch-e-sketch has got a few dead spots from wear and tear. I don't want mess.... But I kinda do.

Get the kid crayons IMO. The big jumbo washable non-toxic markers are good too, no permanent mess.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

We've struggled a lot with what kind and how much screen time to allow for both our kids and still do. There's value to minimizing screen time as much as possible, but for the limited time allowed there are some very good options and some very poor ones. Probably the most important thing is to do the screen activity with your kid, but this is in tension with using screens as a temporary distraction when you're busy.

One specific thing is we subscribed to Epic during the pandemic, which is an online library that has lots of read aloud stories where the pages turn along with the recording. I was fairly skeptical of the idea of having young kids read or listen to books on screens, but my kids really liked it and I think it helped my younger kid to develop their interest in reading. It also has a lot of the good Robert Munsch books! Not trying to suggest yet another subscription service, but I think that kind of screen time can be positive.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

If the kid really wants to watch youtube I recommend the Unhook chrome extension and setting it to full power so that it blocks everything on the site except videos from subscribed channels. Critically it blocks video recommendations.

I also really recommend only allowing kids to watch youtube in your direct presence. Blocking it entirely also makes sense.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

The inevitable happened and my older kid got the younger kid interested in Minecraft. I'd be annoyed but they are very cute playing it together.

Less cute is my younger kid talking about how a Creeper can kill you. I told them I would become the Creeper's friend but they didn't believe me.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

clearly i have given my children too many books and too few opportunities to simulate ethnic cleansing

You can do both, for example we semi-recently finished reading "The Hobbit".

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Siblings getting on well together is fantastic. A semi-recent development is my kids will team up to berate me if I happen to upset either of them. For example asking one of them to please get ready for bed for the fifth time will get their sibling shouting "HOW DARE YOU" at me. It is good to see solidarity.

Panfilo posted:

Speak of the devil, I was talking to my mom today and she was gushing about my nephew then asked how my daughter was doing. I talked about how we're helping her navigate first grade and how grateful I am that her school has so much resources to support her in subjects she's struggling with-she gets extra help in math and 1 on 1 work with a reading specialist. The teacher doesn't assign homework but I always try to spend time practicing math and reading each day.

Anyway then my mom goes on her whole lecture about "I told you that she needed two years of preschool but you didn't listen!". See my in laws watched my kids when covid hit so we didn't need daycare/preschool. She did do a T-K program we paid for the next year, then moved onto kindergarten and now first grade. The vibe she's giving me is somewhere between,"it's too bad you were to cheap and lazy to send her to a Pre K school, now she's gonna be stunted academically",and "It's too bad covid pandemic prevented her from getting that head start, must be why she's struggling now.".
IMO as a non-expert home care with dedicated family members can be just as good as a preschool program. Our first kid spent a huge amount of time in daycare and our second much much less due to the pandemic and we haven't noticed any major difference in their development. It sounds like you're doing a great job, esp taking advantage of available school resources.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Really don't enjoy cajoling my clearly tired kid out of bed for school. I've become what I hated.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

My younger kid has placed a sign in their room reading:
"<kid's name>! FART!"

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

The younger kid put their own name on the sign. In their older sibling's room the younger sibling apparently also placed a sign reading:
"<older sibling's name>! BUTT!"
They included a drawing of floating buttocks.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Willzilla posted:

“good morning dad I brought you a monster truck and a battery and where is my dinosaur shirt and I want breakfast and curious george tv and all of this is shouted at full volume at 5 in the morning” 🥱 yeah ok buddy

Starting the day with a monster truck sounds great though.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

We let our children watch "Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom" a bit last year, from the same people as "Peppa Pig". It's a cartoon depiction of a deeply classist (British) society presented as completely normal and fun! Probably should avoid.

We watched the French dubbed version and must admit that I found Roi Chardon delightful.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Every Goomba is someone's child

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

lobster shirt posted:

nothing like a six month odl baby smiling the worlds biggest smile at you, disarmingly, before grabbing your beard and pulling as hard as possible

It was a big relief when my older kid grew out of doing that. You might have another 1-1.5 years to go though.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

School is out for the summer and my older kid is so happy. Suspect they will be less happy when their summer program starts next week. It's too bad. The last couple of summers they had more of a Calvin and Hobbes-esque "just do whatever" summer holiday experience and it created the expectation that it was the norm.

On this topic the summer camps and programs for children are so expensive. Some friends told us that in Germany summer programs are paid for by the govt, and the returning question is are we giant suckers for raising kids in the US?

meanolmrcloud posted:

at bedtime, I fake farted while pretending to be a sleeping cat (her idea) and my daughter laughed so hard she fell over. 2.5 is the sweet spot. lots of interaction but not enough awareness to be a genuine terror.
The toddler uncontrollable belly laughter is great.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Elissimpark posted:

Our 4yo had an accident this morning on the way to the toilet.

I walked into the bathroom expecting devastation, but she was standing on the IKEA Bolmen stool that acts as the toilet footstool, with the entirety of the accident (pee) contained within the recessed top of the stool.

I was very impressed.

Your kid is the MacGyver of peeing.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Sunny Side Up posted:

Does anyone use outschool and have any favorites on there? Have looked through many virtual and hybrid options and it seems like the best we’ll do for a 3 year old.
We used outschool extensively for a period with our then 2/3 year old. IMO the outschool options for 3 year olds are relatively limited. Probably the most worthwhile thing was a daily "circle time" session where the kids would sing together, take turns responding to questions, draw together and show off their work etc. There are many many circle time options for three year olds.

We tried a few other things like PreK math, arts+crafts outschool sessions and they were ok. The instruction you're providing is likely better than any outschool teacher can do esp at this age range.

Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:

we know someone who uses it, but there's not much to say about it in general because it's gig economy style in the sense that the teachers aren't being centrally planned or anything, so your experiences will vary depending on the specific teacher
Yes the teachers can be very hit or miss. Also didn't like the gig economy aspect, I got the sense some of the teachers did extremely well and others surely didn't make much money.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Lol was wondering where this thread went.

Any good vegan ice creams? Kids got to have ice cream but would prefer an option involving less sad cows.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Those Ben and Jerry dairy-free options look good, going to try them thanks. We have an ice-cream maker but of course our older kid rejected every single home-made offering.

The older kid also figured out that their summer program is essentially summer school and yes they are mad.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Recently my older kid has started to secretly make Scratch projects late into the night after their bedtime. They'll wait until the lights are out then sneak a laptop into their room and code up a rocket game or whatever. We've told them that the deceit is not acceptable and obviously this could be setting up some bad habits. However I can't deny being delighted at the ingenuity they've shown trying to get around the restrictions we've put in place and their plainly stated intent to thwart them.

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Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Rock Puncher posted:

my 9 year old has discovered you can change the icons on desktop and has changed steam to be a picture of a windows folder with the title "boring school stuff"


i'd be ok with her having steam if it wasn't for all the porn games

Love to see that kind of problem solving.

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