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i love this movie now and i love this thread. thank you op |
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i decided against watching the film bc the commentary in the thread is more fun
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Barco Fiesta posted:i decided against watching the film bc the commentary in the thread is more fun
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iirc i think Sharn's voice actor is actually Mark Hamill. Lovin' this thread!
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Barco Fiesta posted:i decided against watching the film bc the commentary in the thread is more fun Same |
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thank you again for reading and appreciating  as you can tell, this movie is a bit of a rough diamond. but i love it and will die for itwhile i'm recovering in between bursts of activity, you may be interested in my bakshi lotr walkthrough. (trigger warning: legs) and you can also follow the great man on twitter! i think the account is run by his grandkids or something, they're really dedicated to it, it's lovely ---------------- |
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hallelujah posted:thank you again for reading and appreciating I found that LOTR thread in the Goldmine and loved the hell out of it! Bakshi's lord of the rings was such a defining thing of my childhood and taught me that sometimes great things just end, unsatisfyingly. I love the character design for Peace and his dinohorse.  Thanks for doing this thread! |
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sorry about the delay! irl got on top of me, but things are less hectic now back in elfland, things get bakshit  this sort of thing is going on because the fairies blame elinore for bringing in the forces of darkness and killing their king or their knight of the realm or whatever the gently caress he was. it inexplicably disturbs me that the leader was apparently... that other thing, but the fairies of the inner sanctum look like this   exactly what kind of society are they trying to operate here? anyway, the following sequence of events should need little explanation       it's a tale as old as time ---------------- |
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