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GlyphGryph posted:drat, NBC is all in for Bloomberg, huh. Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Warren are the three traditional candidates that the media was pulling for and now they're all effectively non-entities. Biden is clearly senile. There's no one else left for them.
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Sydin posted:The Berniebros and "release your medical records!" lines of attack are both absolute loving bullshit, but IMO to your average dipshit moderate Pete probably came off better in both exchanges. It's meaningless stuff and it's not new. No one is going to be able to peel off Bernie's support, so anything that doesn't result in everyone else trading voters among themselves is kind of pointless.
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Feb 20, 2020 04:05
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mutata posted:Warren having a good night is iffy if she starts pulling people away from Bernie, I think. She's going to pick up a lot of the voters that Bloomberg is losing here. She isn't going to take any significant amount from Bernie.
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buglord posted:Not able to watch. How's the debate so far? Is it everything we've hoped? (within reason) They’re cleaning Bloomberg’s remains out with a hose right now
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John Wick of Dogs posted:God drat Surprised Chris Matthews didn't need to breathe into a paper bag while saying this
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Feb 20, 2020 05:29
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:Oh please. I'm sure you guys are smarter than that. The primary is not done via ranked choice, delegates are the means to control vote splitting. Are you making an argument for process or for supporting the will of the voters? Because you seem to be making the mistake of assuming that Bernie is actually facing off against a moderate Voltron and not a collection of different candidates. Polling on preference has made it abundantly clear that this isn't a Sanders vs. Everyone race, so it's not obvious that vote splitting is the issue that you're making it out to be. Like you said, he performs pretty well in head-to-heads.
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Feb 20, 2020 05:50
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:In this hypothetical, Bernie would be the major beneficiary of anti-democratic flaws in the First Past The Post voting systems. Anyone who cares enough to post in this thread has probably bitched about FPTP and the electoral college being counter-democratic bullshit. Well, it's time to put up or shut up in that regard. Do you love FPTP as long as it benefits your guy? "The system is flawed - would you prefer those flaws to benefit your guy or the other guy?" is a hell of a weird question. Delegate trading doesn't actually solve any problem here and it doesn't offer a more democratic solution. Once they're free, they no longer represent the will of the voters in any meaningful way. Is ranked choice on the table? A run-off primary? No? Then I'm going to say that the candidate with the most votes should take it, because that's still better than a brokered convention.
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Feb 20, 2020 06:12
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:If we had 9 candidates in this election, and one candidate got 12%, and the other candidates all got 11%, it is not the democratic result to simply declare the 12% candidate the victor. I really shouldn't have to explain the flaws of FPTP voting systems. I am sure most posters in this thread know those flaws and are pretending otherwise because they find it convenient. No one is ignoring anything. We're saying that those 11% candidates don't have a better claim on the nomination in your scenario than the 12% candidate, and those 88% of delegates actually don't represent the will of the voters at all once they're unbound. There's no good solution given that this is the system that we have, but a brokered convention is the worst solution. edit- TheDeadlyShoe posted:It determines ranked choice via delegate ballot. Ranked choice of the delegates, which is absolutely meaningless.
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Also it's hilarious because I'm pretty sure everyone here would drastically prefer something like a ranked choice popular vote primary, and also absolutely no one at all would be happy with Bernie winning with 12% of the vote or something ridiculous.
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