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marktheando posted:are there any non scary things going on in uk politics I mean, there's some depressing ones. Like: What does a lonely, squalid death in an immigration centre say about Britain? posted:Dostoevsky said a society’s civilisation can be judged by its prisons. I would add this: a society’s humanity can be judged by its immigration removal centres. E: Oh by the way that's your tax money hard at work: quote:The main problem with immigration detention is that, at a cost of more than £34,000 per detainee per year, it doesn’t actually work, and has been found time again to be “not a particularly effective means of ensuring that those with no right to remain do in fact leave the UK”. For the utterly heartless, that is reason enough for radical change. For everyone else, there is Prince Fosu. But clearly we can't let migrants off easily, 34000 pounds a year is a drop in a bucket compared to the damage a stray migrant could do. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Another choice bit:quote:In detention Fosu was found ranting into a mirror. He was then restrained and put into segregation shortly after his arrival where he remained until his death six days later. Let's see what the inquest had to say: quote:The PPO acknowledged that managing Fosu’s complex and difficult behaviour presented staff at Harmondsworth with challenges. However, she added: “We consider that the care he received fell considerably below acceptable standards.” Ahh well that's okay then. I wonder how that compares to the routine inmate rapes at Yarl's Wood. Was that also considerably below expectations, or perhaps just below expectations, after all rape still leaves you alive. Well except for the several percent who killed themselves. Humm. Really tough question there.
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SpitefulHammer posted:Wilkos conveniently slashing sick pay... What are you insinuating they clearly said it's nothing to do with the covid-19. Nothing at all. Just a coincidence.
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Jose posted:i'm off work sick again mostly because i was off yesterday so gently caress it even if I am still ill i could work through it. anyway it seems like half the building of people is ill and someone collapsed today according to the work group chat Sounds like your company has been very successful at reducing sickness absence rates, as wilko aspires to do. It's definitely because of people taking the piss and being skivers that they had to make that change. You see it all the time. Why, some people won't even come to work with a quick cold. e: I once got in minor trouble for taking a few days off due to the flu during my uni summer internship. Was very much "we understand your reasoning but it doesn't seem you are making the best use of your limited time with us". Just gently caress the whole thing. Though it's worth noting that the post-war soviets and allied regimes were leaps and bounds worse at this then even the legal minimum in the UK. Try no pay for 2 weeks and then getting only a minimum wage, all the while requiring a doctors permission and facing regular home inspections. It's not just capitalism that is suspect to short-termism in this respect (and many others). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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e: nm, I had a bit of a pointless gripe about the Graun series Europeans, but turns out I kinda like this one: Europeans: Borders by Jakub Zulczyk starring Jacek Koman Private Speech fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:So nice of the press not to mention that the notoriously philandering prime minister had knocked up his girlfriend - who seems to have got pregnant maybe around the time the police were called to her house to investigate a potential domestic assault - until he finally agreed to marry her. After an election. Look that's Boris Johnson our lord and leader, heir of distinguished ancestry; not some hippie who's never even gone to university (nevermind -proper- university) and dated a black woman!
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Whose toilet do you have? Landlords? Look at mister moneybags here.
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The BBCs coverage of Nandy really cements how anti-left they currently are in my eyes. Barely mentioning the two leading candidates in favour of a no-hope third-placer who just so happen to be right-wing. The top two politics articles are about her. e: It's by Kuenssberg of course, because of course it would be. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 22:21 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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I like the full stop space full stop at the end of the quoted section, because yes, that is part of the original article.
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Lungboy posted:Reminds me of John Mann becoming the anti-racism tzar when he's racist as gently caress to travellers. What one of the Labour fuckhead four got punted to the Lords by the Tories and given an official position by the government? I mean I guess he's just not pretending anymore, but still, I thought they're all gone. e: Huh I guess Stringer is still a Labour MP as well, he is the climate change denial and gently caress migrants one. Funny thing is I always thought Mann was the least worst of the four. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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Mar 9, 2020 18:10
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The stupid thing about a&e waiting times is that it's entirely a consequence of underfunding. Comparing it with Czech Republic where I grew up it's basically night and day - there's separate 24 hour emergency services in almost every hospital department (along with an actual accident emergency unit, so you don't have accident victims fighting for space with someone getting the sniffles) and the wait times are more like 30 minutes.
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XMNN posted:wish I'd asked the nice lady for some pain killers but didn't want to sound like a junky No. You might call 111 though I guess for an emergency prescription, or see a GP.
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Trades posted:They’ll give you the 8/500 you can get without a prescription. I mean that and regular ibuprofen will definitely help I thought that was prescription only? I have very little knowledge of anything medical but internet says so, as per: https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/product/5958/pil
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Mar 9, 2020 21:22
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I wonder if, when all this is said and done and thousands of britons are dead, our response will be in any way as dramatic as our response to the 7/7 attacks when ~50 died. I know you're being rhetorical but, well, see how many people died courtesy of benefit cuts, or even just killed themselves due to them.
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Mar 10, 2020 12:22
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XMNN posted:my only hope is that the fact that they are putting off precautions until it's too late in order to "reduce economic damage*" will make people question whether an economic system that might benefit from not trying to save as many lives as possible is a good thing For my continual eastern euro update, for what it's worth the Czech government has shut all the schools and universities indefinitely starting tomorrow, and there's a regular 10 minute q&a segments about coronavirus on TV, all with fewer infections per capita than the UK. Of course conservative fuckwits say that it's overblown and just a government reelection campaign, while pointing at Britain not doing anything as justification. Impressive that the Tories manage to indirectly hurt my retirement-age parents halfway across the continent. e: phoneposting i != o Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Mar 10, 2020 |
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Jel Shaker posted:Arnt these numbers yesterday’s (with a 24 hr delay), for its probably ^2 by now More like ^1.2 I bet.
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I mean even if everyone gets it it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as black death, that was what, 20% of population dead?
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XMNN posted:30-60% in Europe and similar numbers elsewhere according to Wikipedia, which is pretty apocalyptic Even more so then, 10 times fewer deaths is pretty significant difference, not to mention we're a lot better at coming up with vaccines and helping people survive. Not that it wouldn't suck.
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Azza Bamboo posted:In theory, relaxing gun laws during a mental health crisis would also cull the "surplus population" I mean *looks at the US*, uhh.
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Mar 10, 2020 18:26
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It's pretty funny how the US has failed just as hard as the UK, all the Americans smug about Bernie, lost like tears in the rain. Never look to the US to save the world, it's a country without much of any safety nets and with an actual loving death sentence FFS. A country where people routinely modify their vehicles to increase emissions to gently caress the environment. A country with gay reeducation camps, where it's legal for parents to e: Or indeed shot by your gun-toting neighbourhood watch instead, with them facing no repercussions if you are black (Trayvon Martin says hi). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Comrade Fakename posted:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51832634 Is that even inflation-adjusted because  at calling 1.1% growth if not.
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What about antivirals? I remember reading some will be finishing trials within weeks, so if widespread infection gets delayed for a few months that could potentially work. Not that the government is doing anything to bring that about. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Communist Thoughts posted:picked up some ffp3 masks, gloves and goggles for the inevitable quarantine and subsequent trips to the shops One of the measures that some of the countries taking the crisis seriously have taken is banning the sale of those things to the public to prevent shortages, FWIW. Bit late now I suppose.
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Communist Thoughts posted:the asian countries that actually know what they're doing are all wearing masks and ppe whenever they're outside. Oh if you do have symptoms that's different, sorry. Anyway here's an article about the mask hoarding though: Masks can't stop the coronavirus in the US, but hysteria has led to bulk-buying, price-gouging and serious fear for the future quote:(CNN)Panic over the novel coronavirus is hitting a fever pitch in the US. And despite repeated pleas from health officials not to purchase them, Americans can't stop snatching up masks and respirators.
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Sanford posted:In the meeting this morning it was established that all but five staff (out of ~200) are fully equipped to work from home already. Still not doing it. 
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I enjoy the last sentence there. It's very no gently caress you.
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Since someone posted a Norway update, here's my eastern euro one: Slovakia just announced they will be closing road borders from tomorrow 7 AM to all non-essential traffic. Not completely senseless given that they are surrounded by infection hotspots with only a handful of cases of their own. It does mean my retired dad is currently stuck in an absurd traffic jam since what looks like everyone ever decided to get all shipping and travel done while possible. He has to pick up my grandmother who lives there since all assisted living services have been stopped too and she can't take care of herself. Meanwhile the UK, ahh, well.
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WHO condones closing schools FWIW. Again as far as Czech Republic goes the whole issue of parents having to stay home with kids is in fact significant, the government has instituted a new benefit where people doing so against the wishes of their employer are paid 60% of their wage by the government and can't lose their job over it. can you imagine Boris doing that, and again that's with fewer per capita cases than in the UK, albeit it's next to Italy, Austria and Germany TBF. And yes the growth of cases has slowed down significantly, who'd have thought.
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I mean yeah the kids won't die, but they can still get infected just as easily and go on to do the same thing to their parents.
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Mar 12, 2020 19:05
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Even the American NHL and NBA have stopped all matches.
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oxford_town posted:I am a British-trained medical practitioner so obviously I have a vested interest here. This in particular was genuinely super weird to me, like I get there's zero medical benefit but growing up in eastern europe all the women I know did have those exams regularly. In my mid 20s I was going out with this woman my age who's never had sex before and she was like "I've literally not had anyone touch me or look there since I was 3" and it was just so weird to me. Even men have their junk checked out a few times when growing up, if more for assurance than anything else. TBF she was from a somewhat more conservative country than Britain so maybe there is some sort of one-time adolescent examination. Or maybe not. Either way it was seriously surprising to me.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Hmm well I could do with some weed that's for sure, maybe I should go to the park Fate worse than death itself.
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#BoomerRemover confirmed? Okay it is a bit much as a joke I admit.
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bornbytheriver posted:Eton and Harrow closed, who would have thunk it I've had, uhh, a hallmate? (or whatever would be the term for four-flat-unit-mate), who went to Harrow in my first year of uni. He was a nice bloke actually. Not even that posh. Thank you for reading.
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666 people are talking about this. Nice. I know it's more now, just let me have this.
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If you think about it enough people dying could help with the gdp/pc a fair bit, especially after the epidemic ends. Both in the obvious way and in more resources for less people way, especially considering who would die.
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Continuing the eastern european updates for Czech Republic, a full quarantine has been declared with police enforcement (meaning people are supposed to stay at home and police can ask them where they are going and fine them if it's not home/work/shopping/exercise), all borders have been closed, almost all shops have been closed except for licensed tradesmen, pretty much anywhere where people gather, like theatres/cinemas/libraries/concert halls/universities/hotels/restaurants/pubs has been closed. All with zero deaths (though 2 patients are in critical condition) and somewhere around 300 cases. Now to be fair I think it's among the most strict in the world. Wonder how effective it will be.
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Testing? Where we're going we don't need no testing! I suspect that they don't want to test widely because then they'd have a lot more asymptomatic cases making their statistics worse and they figure it would crash the economy even harder.
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sebzilla posted:Welcome to the wonderful world of Home Ed! Just about every country in Europe manages somehow, it will be fine. Also at £350 million when other countries are talking 2-3 orders of magnitude more.
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In fact, NYTimes update 8 minutes ago:quote:Coronavirus Live Updates: Nation Pledges Trillions to Stave Off Economic Catastrophe I'm sure £350 million "set aside" will be plenty.
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