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Something else to keep in mind with dropouts this close to Super Tuesday: The drop-outs' names will still be on ballots and early voting has already been happening. I voted last week.
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Cugel the Clever posted:Biden winning MN by the margins that are being talked about makes zero sense to me, to the point that I'm almost willing to indulge in conspiracy theories. What, did a bunch of centrist/conservative Dems just vote against Clinton in 2016? Huh? Clinton won the state in 2016. She got trounced in the primary, but it was a caucus back then, which is a VERY different beast from a regular primary vote.
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Mar 4, 2020 04:41
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The youth vote is my age plus one year.
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Mar 4, 2020 18:15
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Nick Soapdish posted:Point of order, dogs do not have political orientation. All dogs are good Sorry that’s cats. Dogges like authority, so they are useful to cops. Dogs good but more easily duped to become authoritarians.
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Mar 6, 2020 04:50
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Importantly, even if you want to vote Fox McCloud for president, vote for a damned senator and congressman. After all, the real counter to Bernie even if he wins it all will simply be the senate saying “No” to his legislative priorities. For all the scaremongering from the center and American right about socialism, that’s the all but guaranteed way to stop him. So go vote downticket and encourage others to do so even if you hate the very idea of a president existing.
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Mar 6, 2020 15:50
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Hot take: even if you are pissed at Warren and/or her supporters, it may be more effective to coldly hide that ire and instead just try to get them to vote for Bernie even if it means you forgo dunking on Warren or her supporters.
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Mar 6, 2020 16:20
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bird cooch posted:It'll be really embarrassing later like all those people who used to be all about Ron Paul. It is more embarrassing that you consider Bernie and Ron Paul apt analogues.
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Mar 6, 2020 16:24
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On another note, the death penalty remains on the books primarily as a means to kill black men. NBC News (@NBCNews) Tweeted: BREAKING: Alabama inmate Nathaniel Woods executed; Woods' co-defendant, who has confessed to being the triggerman and denies Woods was complicit, implored for his execution to be stopped. https://t.co/3pSM83X1eZ https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1235772232913297410?s=20 https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/race
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Mar 6, 2020 16:28
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bird cooch posted:Your reg date is old enough to have gone through that cycle Hence knowing how utterly dumb it is to consider Paul and Bernie supporters analogues.
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Mar 6, 2020 16:32
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bird cooch posted:I'm obviously not comparing the politicians like you are trying to argue. Just the fervent supporters in the face of everything. 2016-2, lose harder! Yes, I know. It’s still a dumb comparison. I am saying your argument is dumb on its face, not that it’s misunderstood.
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Mar 6, 2020 16:41
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Casimir Radon posted:This feels like this should matter. But I dunno anymore. He could shrug and say "I prefer family members who weren't killed," and Fred Truckerton of Sweetcreek, Red State would tell a NYT reporter "Sometimes I wish he'd keep his mouth shut, but he's gettin' the job done!"
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Mar 7, 2020 01:43
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Show of hands, who thinks, between bernie and biden, that Biden has better odds of winning the GE than Bernie?
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Mar 7, 2020 20:47
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bird cooch posted:With Sanders nearing -50 in Florida -50 what?
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Mar 7, 2020 21:07
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Do y’all know what the general election is? But I gotta say, if Bernie and Biden are going to face off as the two candidates in the GE, that’s great news.
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Godholio posted:Are you just intentionally misreading things or what? This is the second or third time in the last few pages. Bird Cooch did not answer the question that was asked and instead deflected to predicting the democratic primary results rather than talking about the GE. How does that make me the one who’s intentionally misreading things? Godholio posted:Are you just intentionally misreading things or what? This is the second or third time in the last few pages. And what are you referring to? Me saying that Ron Paul supporters are different from Bernie supporters? mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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Nephzinho posted:Can Florida even be considered a swing state anymore? No.
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Mar 7, 2020 21:20
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I think there really is a very good chance that Biden would outperform Bernie in the GE, but saying "Biden has the lead in a state that democrats will absolutely not win in 2020," is such a pointlessly stupid statement.
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Mar 7, 2020 21:28
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bird cooch posted:We are literally currently in the midst of a primary election to determine who people think would beat Trump. That is untrue. It is an important consideration, but that is objectively not the sentiment of some pretty key players who are democrats but have stated that they would rather sit out or vote Trump than vote for a progressive. (Edit: or, to be fair, it is not the sentiment of Bernie or Bust types who will stay home or vote Trump rather than Biden) Vincent Van Goatse posted:If Bernie does not win the Democratic primary he won't beat Trump because he won't be the Democratic nominee. Congrats, this is why John Kerry was the best possible nominee, and literally no one on Earth could have been performed better because of how time works. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Mar 7, 2020 |
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bird cooch posted:1: lol, fuckin who? Cite that garbage. 1. Bloomberg, Never Trumpers, Chris Matthews and his ilk, etc. 2. Why? Vincent Van Goatse posted:Seriously, this isn't a lateral thinking trick question. If Bernie doesn't win the primary he doesn't beat Trump because that means he isn't a candidate. You can't win an election you're not a candidate for barring weird edge cases with no relevance. That is true, but not insightful. Saying "Oh ho ho, the only person who can beat Trump is the person who wins the Democratic nomination" is true, but it is pretty pointless when discussing the hypothetical of "which of these two people would fair best against Trump, IF they won the nomination?" Especially when head to head polls exist. Again, I'm pretty sympathetic to the idea that Biden could do better against Trump than Bernie. But saying that the reason Biden will do better is because he will likely make it to the general election, but Bernie will not, is not terribly useful discussion. No poo poo, the person who wins a primary has better odds in a general compared to a write-in or independent. This isn't wild thinking. In sports, we talk all the time about how the team who wins their division might or might not be the team best suited to take on the winner of the other division.
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Mar 7, 2020 21:56
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bird cooch posted:Famous bastion of democratic politics Mike loving Bloomberg are you loving kidding me. I don’t like him either, but he’s a very famous Democrat and Governor and he got more delegates than Klobuchar and Mayor Pete combined. And he got about 95% as many delegates as Warren.
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bird cooch posted:Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until 2001, when he switched to the Republican Party to run for Mayor. He switched to an independent in 2007 and registered again as a Democrat in October 2018. In 2004, he endorsed the re-election of George W. Bush and spoke at the 2004 Republican National Convention That was a lot of words that articulated nothing of value. Especially given the irony from someone who’s pissy that he catches poo poo for having been a republican in the past. Bloomberg sucks but he will likely end up doing more to support the democratic nominee than this whole forum combined.
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One was a question, not an argument: All things being equal, who do people think would have the best chance in the GE vs Trump: Biden or Bernie? I don’t really know but am curious about opinions. -I think answering by saying “Biden is winning the primary today” dodges answering that question. Two: I argue that there exist democrats who would rather stay home or vote Trump than vote for a progressive like Bernie. Bird cooch disagrees with this, I guess?
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I do not see a contradiction there. Bird Cooch, You’re the one pretending Bloomberg does not count as a Democrat when he outperformed Pete and Klobuchar in the democratic primary and he has endorsed Biden and pledged financial support to democrats. Bloomberg has also said he would not support Bernie.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:There's been a lot of arguments today, so let's join together with this former Warren staffer on something we can all enjoy: Dunking on Buttigieg.  this all day.
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Milo and POTUS posted:What's in british sudafed Racism, sausage, and beans. But seriously, Pseudo-ephedrine, I think?
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McNally posted:It was this poster Wait, what? I sent you a blank report? If so, that was legit just a fuckup or misclick, sorry. E: I regret to inform the world that I'm an idiot who is bad at internet link trickery. mlmp08 fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Mar 8, 2020 |
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RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE (@RATM) Tweeted: Washing in the name of... On this occasion it's best you do what they tell ya https://t.co/unDdBh1HDh https://twitter.com/RATM/status/1237036386886303744?s=20
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Arzy / tactical voting arguments, oh joy
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This is quite a weird, passive aggressive salt-read. https://twitter.com/theatlantic/status/1237429514076073985?s=21 Lest a Warren supporter feel attacked, the two presidential primary candidates I’ve supported in any tangible way this cycle have been Warren and Sanders.
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Mar 11, 2020 01:41
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Godholio posted:There aren't many "one-issue" issues in this country, but guns is absolutely one of them. Talking about gun confiscation is about as appealing as proposing mandatory abortions to a loving lot of people. If they're not in Trump's camp, they'll probably just stay home. The logical extension of this is one of two things: absolutely always lie to single issue voters and then do what you want later (wise) Always be beholden to single issue voters (dumb) Unfortunately, the GOP is wiser on this than the Democratic Party and will lie about big things then do the opposite in practice.
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Godholio posted:That is not the logical extension. I would suggest the logical extension is to pick your battles. Shoving your finger in the face of a union worker on camera and spewing bullshit is probably not the path to the loving White House. That is a ridiculous mischaracterization of what I posted. It's basically the textbook definition of strawmanning, as you did not at all address my point and instead invented a point I never made and knocked it down. And even then, not sure you knocked it down because "eh, gently caress you," has been pretty effective from the right.
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Real talk: How does one "pick their battle" with anti-choice voters to win their votes? Cause I'm pretty sure if they really are single issue, the only way to pick your battle is to say "gently caress em, don't need em," or it's to acquiesce, or it's to just lie to them and then ignore them after the fact. If it's some mushy-mouthed stuff about appealing to them otherwise, then they are by definition not single-issue voters and instead multi-issue voters who happen to be pro-life.
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Godholio posted:You don't make that issue a major talking point. Save it for reelection. You need to pull out all the stops on this one because the alternative is Donald Trump as a second term president and continued GOP control of the Senate and PROBABLY a supermajority on the Supreme Court. Every day I'm waiting for Joe to have his "deplorables" or "put all the coal miners out of work" moment, and this might be one of them. What you’re describing is a tactic to do some mix of either lying, lying by omission and refusal to engage (often wise), or by attempting to appeal to people who are not actually single-issue. “I’m pro-choice, but I won’t make that a major issue,” does not win over hardcore single-issue anti-choice voters. “Look, I want to talk about jobs,” in response to being asked about government abortion law is a misdirection that amounts to lying by omission if directly asked about a stance on choice. It might be a wise move, but it falls in the category of being coldly dishonest for your perceived political greater good, which is not a bad idea! Maaaaybe it could work to say “aw, shucks that darn SCOTUS!” But that is 95%+ of the time a way to pass the buck and refuse to answer with honestly about one’s views or plans. Single issue voters who are truly single issue are best just ignored in the scheme of things, because the only way to get their vote is either to agree with them, be dishonest with them, or maybe to be the “least worst” left over candidate for them. There are places a Democrat can be “least worst,” but something like abortion rights isn’t it.
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Abongination posted:The tox for never voting for Biden thread in cspam is up to 22 pages Hopefully they are a mix of A: still voting downticket or B: posting from states that were never in contention to begin with. It’s easy to bravely write in your favorite Pokemon when living in B.
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Not very hot but reasonable take: https://twitter.com/asteadwesley/status/1237547207194079233?s=21
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facialimpediment posted:Outside of me leaving out the generation gap stuff - Black Boomer sounds like an RPG boss that will kill everyone with a bigass cannon firing collard greens. 
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