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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gort posted:

Ah poo poo, they cancelled the Edinburgh Fringe. Seems like it's necessary but it's depressing to think we'll still be dealing with this poo poo in loving August.

August seems like the bare minimum unless we have a proper lockdown.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Pesky Splinter posted:


Shamless self-promotion

This is great and I retweeted it before even noticing it was by a goon

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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marktheando posted:

I didn't even realise fuse boxes were still legal, I thought over the last several decades everyone changed to breakers? I'm in an 1882 tenement in Scotland and it had breakers installed at least 20 years ago, judging by the inspection dates written on it from when this was a student flat.

Certainly you never hear people talk about fuse boxes like they did in my childhood.

We call our box full of breakers the fuse box.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Julio Cruz posted:

try it when you don't have a guaranteed job coming up

That's solved by a proper welfare state lets us revel in our failson status.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jose posted:

yeah i'm jealous of the people i play wow with who decided in their 30s to go back to uni and its all just been paid for not needing to worry about it

Life is chronically unfair.

Josef bugman posted:

It's weird, I am feeling a little better following the first few weeks of quarantine.

I have my daily routine, I have my books to read, I have my food prepared and I get to speak to folks here and on phones. I am volunteering/ getting my volunteering thing put in place so I am probably going to get busier quite soon, and I would never wish any of the suffering we are all going through right now on anyone, but it could always be worse.

I have read about 10 of the Bernard Cromwell Sharpe books in the last 3 weeks. Also gone back to the Complete Marvel Reading Order & reading so many comic books. Missing my wrestling though. There's been 9 shows this month I've watched, which...well, significantly down on what it should be to the point where I even watched 2 Stardom shows & some Big Japan which aren't in my regular rotation. Been no New Japan Cup, missed a few Dragon Gate shows, several AJPW & NOAH. And now this month All Japan have cancelled their big tournament. It's nice having time & all but I'm pretty much just done with this now, give me my Japanese wrestling back.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Also as there's someone ITT that dares not to know who Black Flag were, I feel the need to post this, possibly mankind's greatest

This was my first ever intro to Black Flag. I think My War was on a Kerrang cover CD at the time. Black Flag are one of my favourite bands that I usually manage to forget exist when someone asks me "who are your favourite bands?" Which is shameful.

But yeah, First Four Years is an utterly fantastic compilation on a par with the Complete Discog of Minor Threat, and I agree with Rollins about it being my favourite BF release, Damaged is wonderful and the trio of records they put out in 1984 (King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard levels of high quality output) basically, along with Sabbath, is responsible for my favourite subgenre, sludge metal.

And Henry's spoken word stuff is fun, he's good when he sits in for Iggy Pop on 6Music and the only audiobook I've ever actually paid attention to was Rollins reading his Road Diaries, that poo poo rules.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/dbather92/status/1246108177667670020?s=20

Scottish Labour is a worthless husk that should be left to die.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Deketh posted:

Mum called to say she was collecting her online shopping and as soon as they drove away an old lady across the street came out to shout and swear at her for getting food delivery. loving curtain twitchers, she has no idea about her situation and whether she "needs" online food deliveries or not. Now of course mum feels dreadful and unsafe because of it.
We will be our own police state.
Anyways just had to vent a little.

My dad is self-employed, he does the gardens for people, most of it is just cutting the grass for old folks but 2 days a week he maintains the large estate at a Speyside distillery, where he works with 3 other people doing it. He's still doing that because he apparently counts as an essential worker, but 1 of the guys he works with at the distillery has decided to call off because the same poo poo happened to him: he was going to his car and some nosey neighbour came out to yell at him and rather than tell him to gently caress off he's been cowed into not coming out. (I'm not convinced he actually does count as an essential worker but I also get that he's self-employed and the bills don't stop just because he has to so I'm not going to argue it with him. He's a grown man) Where as my temptation if someone were to do that to me while going out for a walk is to yell back at them to mind their own loving business & if they think I shouldn't be going out then they can call the polis.

Anyway, it's easy to see how the Stasi had so many enforcers. So many folk are natural busybodies. (Not enforcers, snitches. I'm a dumb dumb)

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Apr 3, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gyro Zeppeli posted:

I live in Jackie Bailie's constituency and her name is absolute mud here.

As you'd expect for being an outspoken unionist in one of the four constituencies that voted a majority in favour of independence.

SLab is the dirt loving worst.
You say that but even at a time when ScotLab are loving woeful she got 40% in Dumbarton in 2016, one of 2 seats that Labour won at the constituency level.

Payndz posted:

I've been doing a lot of reading about the occupation of France, and while the romantic image is that French citizens were all hard at work undermining or actively fighting the Nazis and their Vichy stooges, the reality was that a terrifying number immediately started grassing up their neighbours for anything they could think of. (And a fair few cheerfully joined organisations like the Milice to crack their fellow citizens' skulls on behalf of the fash.)

It's one of those things where everyone claims to have been in La Résistance and clearly that wasn't the case. I always found it interesting that Mitterand still had a career and became President despite his active collaboration with the Vichy regime until 1943.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

Burn the rest of the internet, too, cowards.

Please don't, it'd be a lot harder to do :filez: with no internet

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ThomasPaine posted:

First foray into universal credit... actually rather painless? Despite the spike in applications it's been sorted within a week, the guy who dealt with me on the phone was genuinely really nice and helpful, and I've specifically been told I've got no commitments in terms of looking for work until coronavirus blows over. I mean sure it's only £400/month which is garbage but I'm surprised the process went as smoothly especially given the circumstances.

The problems were never about claiming it, it's about the fact that (under normal conditions) you're expected to spend 36 hours a week searching for jobs, a loving physical impossibility. That you're expected to account for those hours, explaining exactly what you did, where as under the old system you just showed what jobs you applied for, where you checked for them and that was it. Also that you don't get the money for a minimum of 5 weeks. And if you need money before that then they encourage you to take out a loan (honestly, the last time I did it it was more like "strongly encouraged" even after I said no). The immense strain I felt the last time I was on UC left me feeling like I had a stark choice, stop claiming benefits I was entitled to or off myself & you can guess which choice I took.

I fear this will give people like you (but less informed) a false impression of the system & after lockdown ends we'll get "the system is clearly too soft on the work-shy bastards".

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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loving first ballot. What a shower

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Aidan_702 posted:

Can we be angry when we find out what he actually does? His majority means the majority of people who supported Corbyn also went for him - he will know this

You can be angry when ever you want to chief. Not sure why "a bunch of Corbyn supporters are gullible idiots who just voted for the centrist candidate" is meant to be consolation to me though.

The Labour Left have officially given up. 2 electoral defeats & we've handed the reins back to the Labour right. Who will be utterly ruthless in ensuring that the Labour left won't ever get a shot at the leadership again.

Looking forward to Keir running to the right of Boris on austerity, that'll win votes.

Azza Bamboo posted:

If you want a loud socialist vanguard you need to take it elsewhere. Mainstream politics isn't for your turbo idealism. What's dumb as poo poo is trying the same thing over and over and continuing to make pathetic excuses as for why it's failing rather than adapting to the environment.

"Adapting to the environment", by electing a pro-EU lawyer who doesn't really seem to stand for anything. That'll do it, that'll win it, we know the public love them some technocrats, which is why Gordon Brown won a historic 500 general elections in a row. Good to try something new by going back to Blairist technocracy. Woot woot! What the gently caress are you talking about you imbecile?

Don't worry though, I realise there's no place for actually believing in things in the Labour Party. I am taking my "idealism" elsewhere. A party that stands for nothing I believe in won't get a penny from me or a second of effort in support.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Apr 4, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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peanut- posted:

All of this seems pretty good.

Joe Biden is out there saying he'd veto universal healthcare, Starmer is publicly committing to pledges to nationalise major industries. He served loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. Why are people so convinced he's a dyed in the wool neoliberal?

He didn't serve loyally in Corbyn's cabinet. He quit during the chicken coup. loving nora.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

It's easy for you to criticise now that your preferred outcome will never be put to the test. I can't show you what another five years of socialists making pathetic excuses for themselves looks like.

"Ooh the press" "ooh a conspiracy" "ooh the people are bad" if you can't stop making excuses and actually do something about it you're on a sinking ship.

What's the loving point of having power if you aren't going to do anything worthwhile with it? If the best you can do is a repeat of the 2000s without the Iraq War? Seriously.

Like, fine, if what you want from the Labour Party is the red neoliberals in power instead of the blue neoliberals then congrats I guess but I actually think capitalism is bad & a rejection at the ballot box isn't going to change that.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

I imagine in the next few months the party is going to appear as bi-partisan as possible, and it's going to make some big token moves to appear like it's doing something about the dumb anti Semitism thing. As a result everyone here will be screaming for my apology. What I want to wait for is the next manifesto, or at the very least the next conference, to see what they do with power and not just what they do while the press is watching.

I'll give Keir as long as the Labour right gave Corbyn in 2015, which is to say not a loving second.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

A lot of tears itt. Also "if you're not with me then you're against me" thinking.

Yes, weird that people would be upset about a rejection of politics of hope & optimism for mealy-mouthed chasing of an imaginary centre ground. Can't get why that would lead to tears at a time when the health service is collapsing explicitly because of loving ideologically driven under-funding. You loving prat.

If this is the level of intellectual rigour displayed by the average Labour member I suddenly get how Keir won.

Aidan_702 posted:

What else did you expect her to say?

That she's predictably wrong doesn't mean it's not worth commenting on, she's got a huge loving platform.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gorn Myson posted:

Yeah they're unnecessary because we knew this was going to happen for quite some time and you can cushion the pain by knowing just how badly Starmer and Labour are going to get completely monstered by the press and the Tories.

We're basically just back at the point we were up until 5 years ago, where we'd begrudgingly vote for Labour because the Tories were far worse but we'd be loving stupid to make that vote anymore.

5 years ago I'd never voted for Labour. Quite willing to go back to never voting for them again.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Apr 4, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

If you want to prove that an honest attempt at socialism can work, you're free to try elsewhere.

If you want to prove that an honest attempt at capitalism can work, you're free to try elsewhere you loving hack.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

What I'm looking for is a dishonest attempt at socialism. If that's not happening then it wasn't happening anyway.

I'm glad someone has decided to step into the Pissflaps void and be a dumb oval office spouting complete bollocks for a reaction. God bless.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ronya posted:

reminder the left still controls the NEC and the disciplinary committee

That's expected to change in the next few minutes.

https://twitter.com/katyballs/status/1246391711179452416?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

I'm fine with Keir as leader, you call seem to think he's the next coming of Blair he seems to have similar politics to Miliband who at the time seemed very left wing.

Ah good, the very successful Miliband era. Huzzah. Also, in 2010 Miliband was a move to the left from Brown. In 2020 Starmer is a move to the right from Corbyn. Context matters. If Red Ed came after Corbyn I'd not have been happy either.

Barry Foster posted:

I will say this much, between this shitshow and biden i've finally had the impetus to go full communo-anarchist

Welcome to the team, electoralism is a waste of energy that could be better used for mutual aid groups.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gasmask posted:

A massively stupid decision that the *checks notes* vastly majority of the Labour Party membership also just made?

Can you not see what a ludicrous echo chamber you exist in?

Electing the Tories in December wasn't a dumb thing because lots of people did it. That's your logic.

But thanks for the stunningly original observation that UKMT is an echo chamber, no loving poo poo it is.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gasmask posted:

No I’m pointing out that you lot talk like you have a mandate of heaven to speak on behalf of the ~true labour movement~ and yet when your position is put to the test it’s consistently shown not to be what party members want. You’re all so used to treating everyone else as an enemy.

I don't know why it's so loving hard for idiots like you to understand that how people talk in UKMT might not be how they talk in "the real world", that UKMT is essentially just a venting platform. Well, I do know, it's because you're idiots.

https://twitter.com/HowUpsetting/status/1246395779624951808?s=20

Good times. Party unity.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/EdRooksby/status/1246394114784010242?s=20

Dat Shadow Cabinet of None of the Talents going to come together nicely

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Gasmask posted:

I’m a true moron though

No honestly

It’s me

The true moron

Shut the gently caress up already you dullard. Being smug that the dull technocrat won is a dumb look.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

I've said my piece and I hope people will reflect on how they've acted.

No quarter for libs

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Not So Fast posted:

I find it funny how suddenly this thread is concerned about Starmers skeletons while ignoring Corbyn's for 5 years.

The thread was willing to overlook Corbyn's flaws because he was the most left wing leader of the opposition since the 30s, if not ever. Duh

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jimbola posted:

Yeah agreed. The pile-on on Azza has been particularly ugly.

Supporting technocrats is particularly ugly

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Cerv posted:

you’re probably right. I don’t have Sky to check the actual interview.
oh god, I’ve been unfair to Jess Philips. this is a new personal low

It's impossible to be unfair to Jessflaps, you're okay

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Communist Thoughts posted:

Internal party disputes spilling into the courts with rape allegations getting quashed suggests corruption to me

You say sturgeons faction, so what's stopping salmonds faction rigging the courts?

Whether salmond got off through a salmond faction judge or just classic UK courts not trusting women it doesn't make a huge amount of difference to my first paragraph imo.

Love you hoolie, stay safe

So you're saying that the SNP internal fighting has leaked over to the High Court?

That seems a reasonable belief and not at all mental.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Answers Me posted:

Emily Thornberry currently talking up Starmer because "he's good, he's competent, and he won't over-promise"

Wow so inspiring

"He won't over-promise". Ah good. What a relief.

Anyway, I'm glad I vented most of my spleen about Starmer winning this morning/afternoon, it was therapeutic. I stand by the general gist of what I said, which is to say that centrist technocracy won't win an election any time because folks have had their fill of such bloodless policy, but no point going over well-trodden ground at least until we see the great unity shadow cabinet confirmed. If there's not many lefties in it I'm going to send some ferocious tweets to that pillock Paul Mason.

Watched a fun 2018 World Cup game between Argentina & France, read a dozen or so Marvel comics from the 70s while sat out in the garden (with a jacket on because it's loving nippy), all in all, not the worst Saturday.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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crispix posted:

That's quite a picture. He looks like he's been wanking off a pair of ghosts to the point where he no longer wants to live

But what of the anonymous MP who said he looks Prime Ministerial?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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thespaceinvader posted:

I mean no he should have purged it OF the spineless lackeys and personality cultists and filled it with leftists.

E: I just got this from momentum NGC:


Emphasis theirs.

That first bolded bit sure is a strong assertion that jesus making GBS threads christ how can you be that shortsighted. Nobody's talking about it right now, that doesn't mean they're not still doing it, nor that they won't immediately start talking about it again in 3 to 6 months because the pandemic caused us to overspend on the national credit card or whatever.

Holy poo poo I thought momentum's brass were not that stupid.

They aren't that stupid, they are just trying to keep people from quitting Labour & otherwise keep the left from getting too disheartened.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Prince John posted:



"Spoken to Keir this afternoon"
"I look forward to welcoming Keir to the Potteries"
"Looking forward to working with Keir to rebuild our party"

Ffffff, she's coming back, isn't she. :(

I wonder how many other Change candidates we're going to get crawling back.

Pretty sure Ruth Smeeth never left sadly, just lost her seat to the Tories


lol nice

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ronya posted:

remember when the left-wing narrative of Labour gains in 2017 was not because Labour was unsustainably triangulating on Brexit, or because it was running to the right of Ed Miliband on austerity and immigration when these were the top issues for voters, but because it had awoken the nation to socialist possibilities

My favourite ronya posts are the ones where he argues Stalin and Mao were also liberals except in rhetoric.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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baka kaba posted:

Hey did anybody mention the BBC ran a fake Grand National with computer generated horses and took the whole thing deadly seriously with classical music and everything

all past jockeys and experts weighing in on which of the famous racehorses from history was definitely gonna win the prerendered race. none of the riders started doing dances on the back of the horse or anything! surreal

But how many of the fake horses fake died during the fake race?

I will say that I did like that the BBC have been showing old World Cup matches because I caught a great game between France & Argentina from 2018 on Saturday & it made me realise I have no loving memory of who won the World Cup just 2 years ago. (I googled it, it was France, even seeing that didn't seem familiar. At one point I'd have been able to list off every team who won the World Cup in chronological order from 1930 & could probably still do that until 2014. Only the most recent has escaped my recollection)

Josef bugman posted:

I suppose this is one of the big differences between rhetoric and practice. But I do wish it was easier to hold folks to account.

There are proven ways to hold these people to account. They just aren't always legal in a liberal democracy.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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It's sunny up north. Bit too windy but I'm sure it still counts as taps aff weather for my neighbour

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jel Shaker posted:

The guardian roughly turned to poo poo after the new editor was seduced by joining the governments d-list advisory board, so now the grauniad only reports what’s in the “national interest” (bojo lying is not that apparently)

Viner managing to be shittier than Rusbridger is impressive

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Jun 13, 2012

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Azza Bamboo posted:

I don't feel comfortable cheerleading the collapse of the economy just for the sake of supposedly ending capitalism. "okay alternative ideas can finally gain some impetus assuming we're about to start seeing some mass evictions and mass unemployment with no government action in response" is not any idea of hope. It strikes me that the line of thinking that things are so fundamentally hosed that we need to turn over the whole system is struggling with its PR campaign. Worse yet, the only thing I've heard about that is excuses along the lines of some global press conspiracy to maintain the world order which is why no one likes us. This is the politics of hope? It's finding it so hard to win people over that it's finding itself wanting our society to collapse every time it threatens to just to gain any traction at all. Yeah, hope.

Politics of hope was a dumb slogan by losers. I'm for politics of socialism by whatever means necessary.

The required change doesn't happen when things are good because consumerism is the opiate of the masses. It pacifies us, we ignore the inequalities, we grow more selfish and slavish.

The economy is taking without any cheerleading, in capitalism the economy shits itself every 8 to 15 years and it's supposed to be acceptable that people lose their livelihoods because that's capitalism. gently caress that.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:33 on Apr 6, 2020

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