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Arist posted:
To be fair, I think Yoshida is the only one who figures it out on his own; everyone else either needs to be told in a plot event or spend some time mulling over the mystery of how the person causing their personal issues suddenly changed their tune right after Hamiru-kun asked what their full name was.
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Arist posted:
That's a nice series of qualifiers, but you're not gonna stop me, here I go typing in a correction: All of Chihaya's readings are luck readings. She's a fortune teller, after all. Affinity reading is just reading your luck with relationships instead of money or personal improvement. If anything it's weird that that one is labeled luck reading specifically.
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I know! In return for that, I’ll predict your luck whenever you want! 
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well yeah but now she's doing it more that's how grateful she is
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The best part of going to the gym, and all of the other non-confidant hangouts, is that Morgana does it with you. He's mostly just spotting you because he's a cat, but he's there, and if it's something like the treadmill, he'll be right there running at your side and it's cute as hell. The worst part of playing "optimally" is that you lose out on bonding time with your li'l bag buddy.Arist posted:
Also cute as hell is this poo poo. I don't care if anyone thinks Kasumi comes off as a Mary Sue or kind of forced into the plot or whatever, she's precious and deserves happiness.  E: I also think it is Lavenza's VA doing the voice for rank 1 of Maruki/Kasumi's confidant with a slightly different intonation, but Kasumi's rank 5 is definitely Kasumi's VA for whatever reason. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jan 12, 2023 |
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Yeah but can you do that and get all the good decorations from non-rank hangouts and give Morgana the time of day and let everyone get a shot at hearing No More What Ifs (vocal) and do all the date options if you happen to decide on a girlfriend for Joker? you're gonna have to neglect something at some point, and that something is gonna be cute as hell and it's gonna suck to miss it
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I always thought that scene was weird, because your mementos targets do explicitly become better people. Most notable ones are the confidant requests, but there's also the very first guy who is part of the main storyline and ends up convincing the Phantom Thieves to go after Madarame because he's concerned for Yusuke's well-being. I greatly prefer the simplistic "people are fundamentally good, and when they do bad it causes them metaphysical harm, whose removal will restore their inherent conscience" morality to whatever hell that scene was trying to imply.
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Wait, did Kawakami live-text you as Becky while lying in her hospital bed, hoping to hustle up a sweet fiddy despite the fact that she is clearly unable to make house calls? Nothing about that event is good, but all of it is impressive.Arist posted:
Somehow I never noticed that the HOT NIGHT tag sticks around for confidant events and now I want to see it in more places. Not so much Kawakami events, but I think it'd be a nice bit of spice to add to, say, hanging out with Akechi.
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Arist posted:
Isn't he the final (vanilla) mementos target? I feel like it's at least some sleazy showbiz manager whose shadow is Mara, and it'd make sense for it to be this guy because he's the worst minor NPC in Tokyo. I mean dude deserves worse than a change of heart, but beating up the ghost of his penis is more than "never anything." E: Also Morgana is my favorite jazz club invite. You're told about the pets allowed policy, but he still pokes out of his bag to drink his fancy beverage from a straw. I've started playing Persona 4 and it has only strengthened my fondness for the bag cat.
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Once you get ‘em to strip, it’ll be smooth sailing from there. Looks are important. Clients want a gorgeous girl. Maybe we’ll have some cosmetic work done, too.
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 ...May I see it? Yes! E: also I still smile every time I see "they blew off akechi lmao" That random shitposter did more for the Phantom Thieves' morale than they will ever know 
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I always appreciate that Sojiro does a complete 180, immediately after catching you breaking into his home, and drops the "tough love" act, stops threatening to kick you out and doesn't even bother pointing out that you were in his daughter's bedroom when she went into her coma nap. It's not like his deal is particularly subtle, but I appreciate that they put his pivot on that specific scene and didn't even have any characters spell it out in the next one.
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afaik you don't actually have to do this
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we get that; I'm just trying to play along!
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One thing I learned from the Thieves' Den, and thankfully failed to notice in my own playthrough, is that that's Cognitive Ann in Kamoshida's wine glass. She spends the entire battle in there, except for a brief detour into his mouth during the animation of Lustful Slurp. I'd prefer if the game just never pointed this out. Arist posted:Shadow Futaba tells the Phantom Thieves that they need to get the real Futaba’s permission to enter to finish the theft. In Futaba’s room, an apparition of her Shadow warns her that she needs to accept the truth. At Leblanc, Ren wolfs down some curry and heads out, making Sojiro suspicious. When Sojiro asks if he’s up to anything, Ren responds with “Dunno,” which is funny, but also, dude, you need to hide this better. That's kind of a weird change; it's pretty clear that Sojiro knows you've been intruding on Futaba and elects to ignore it once he realizes it's on her initiative.
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Arist posted:
Sojiro mentions that she didn't regress to full "can't even leave her room" shut-in fairly recently, like not long before you arrived. It could have happened then, also! (I reject the explanation that you could theoretically hit this confidant rank at wildly disparate times and it makes sense on any other day, because what kind of lunatic would not get this exact rank at this exact date?)
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Eyes in front when you walk, okay? No spacing out. You ran head first into a pole last time you went for a walk…
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The elemental camouflages are restricted on a per-gun bases, most of them can only be customized with one or even none. I don't know if there's any discernible logic behind which gun can get which camo. The exception being Morgana's slingshots; most (all?) of them will take any elemental camo. Also not sure what the logic is there, but it's a nice viability boost for our cat friend.
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Omobono posted:Iwai would fire and/or murder Maaku if he applied a camo that didn't vibe with the model gun; however, Maaku can pass slingshots as trial runs for painting experience. yeah nevermind, this sounds canon
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They supposed to be smileys that are obscure and inscrutable to an offline soul like Yusuke, who still would totally grok something as commonplace as ":P," while cementing Futaba as The Peer Who Is Too Online. I have no knowledge of smiley usage among Japanese zoomers, but it feels like a wholly appropriate localization decision.
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Arist posted:
Huh, never really thought about this transition before.
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Sojiro! Want me to bring coffee to more customers? 
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Arist posted:
There's an extra line from Morgana if you sit on the couch, where he speculates that Futaba got the fireworks because she felt bad after hearing about the summer festival, and wanted to do something nice for Joker as thanks for everything. It's a very sweet touch.
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Not gonna lie, even though the trauma dump is hella weird and I'm 50/50 on whether it's an awkwardly shoehorned scene that just had to be somewhere or Akechi awkwardly trying to confirm for himself that Futaba is the latest Phantom Thief, I straight up felt bad when he reacts to Joker implying that he's not welcome at LeBlanc.
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I mean, it's hard to say specifically what is going on, since Akechi is simultaneously investigating the Phantom Thieves, scheming to earn their trust so he can undermine them, and experiencing some kind of genuine human connection for the first time in his life. He definitely doesn't need to trauma dump to figure out why Futaba is there, and it's also clearly not earning him any points for the second thing, so I figure by elimination that it must be the third one. Not so much because I don't think he'd try to manipulate you and just sucks at it, but because of this line:Arist posted:
It's been months since I've played through this and I still remember the hurt that comes through in this line read, and I think there's also a cut-in with an audible gasp. Being rejected by Joker is the one time we see the Pleasant Boy come off as vulnerable, and I don't read it as fake because he doesn't do that anywhere else.
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Sojiro is a top tier dad, get outta here. The first couple of months is him trying and failing to put on a tough love façade because he's cared about and wanted to protect Joker since before he met the kid. Futaba's situation isn't great but I'm not sure what he could have done better. I'd also rank Iwai as a fair bit above “ok.” Kaoru is a good egg who doesn’t even flinch at the Yakuza reveal; that kind of trust has to be built. Pa Niijima I think we're meant to read as having been a good dad, also. Kasumi's also mentioned her dad a couple times, and by her account he's kind and supportive and maybe a little too protective, which probably adds up to at least decent. E: Yeah, Doting Father is more who I'd peg as well-meaning but incompetent. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Shadow Shido suspected that it was "something like that," but he never investigated because he didn't actually care what motivated Akechi. Cognitive Akechi mostly suggests that Original Akechi was easily manipulated because he was desperate for validation and in denial about it; I forget if the dad angle ever comes up, but if it did, I assumed it was because he overheard the conversation where Akechi tells the Phantom Thieves about it.
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He does mention that she refused to see any doctors and locked herself away when he arranged a house call, but I forget if therapy ever comes up. Which, fair, should at least have been attempted. I guess I'm mostly thinking in the sense that he has very limited resources and that Futaba is the victim of a nefarious government conspiracy. "Just make her feel safe until she's ready to reach out on her own" is a far better call than I think any other Persona Adult has made in any context, and it turns out to have been right on the money. Admittedly it might have turned out worse without the assistance of a gang of magic teenagers and the cartoon clown prosecutor who always makes the wrong decision, but I'm not gonna fault Sojiro for that.
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I think the idea with Ann is that she's entirely comfortable with her sex appeal, so long as she's actually in control of the situation. Going to the beach with Ryuji and the gang or posing for a magazine shoot is in her comfort zone because it's happening on her terms, getting ogled while she's drenched from the rain/sweat is not comfortable, and sexual harassment is, well, harassment. That's not unique to Ann or models in particular; most people enjoy feeling attractive when it's within their boundaries. I'm sure this is laid out in a draft document somewhere and they just forgot to give Ann more than a couple scenes where she's actually comfortable while writing a whole lot of scenes where she's not, because the tropes demand horny teenagers and villains threatening sexual violence.
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I'm just saying, we don't know who that gymnastics-themed, redheaded persona user voiced by Laura Post is!
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He never says it directly, but he does express gratitude to the Phantom Thieves for pulling him from the brink and spends his entire confidant being horrified at the risk of turning into another Madarame. You can choose to read that as a kind of apology if you want to be very charitable. also maybe he apologizes in a random Thieves' Den chat? I don't recall, but they do put a handful of conversations that should have been in the base game in there.
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Wait, the Thieves' Den is 100% a Royal original, isn't it? We probably should talk about none of it; Arist has been looking forward to painstakingly documenting all the random events there I'm sure.
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Feel better, and no worries! This segment always bothered me; Ryuji raggin on Morgana is to be expected, but regardless of what the player thinks, Joker clearly loves the guy and just keeps blowing him off regardless. There's even a response to one of the dialogue prompts where Morgana basically says "uh I don't have a response to you expressing honest concern, you're not supposed to pick that one." Like I know the plot demands the dreaded dissonance arc, and it's trying to set it up organically, but it always rubbed me the wrong way that Joker and Morgana's relationship isn't really a part of it when literally every other element of the game sets up Joker as an empathy elemental who is always keyed in and putting others first.
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Also in one of her ranks she straight up namedrops Shido and says that Kayo was closing in on one of his cronies, and AFAIK there's no time gate on her confidant so you can find this out in like summer. Joker will never think that name is worth looking into, because he cares as little about Ohya's confidant as the rest of us.
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Side-grin Ryuji and round Morgana are problems, I can't argue with that. But what else are you gonna do? Screenshot LP of Persona 5 X or Dancing All Night? Just not let's play a Persona 5 game?
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They do. I think people only forget about it because it isn't brought up again when the entire Conspiracy gets explained in excruciating detail, because I guess even the writers thought that one was too obvious to address.
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I think they're supposed to be the same girls who apologize for judging Ann once Shido confesses, though I certainly can't be assed to check. I think Ann is mostly an “outcast” in that she chooses to hang with a bunch of known delinquents and losers, she could definitely join the Mean Girls or whoever is cool if she preferred.
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Tanaka comes right out and says that his Commodities are Shady, hell of a lot more trustworthy than all of Tokyo's disreputable vendors who try to conceal this fact.
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There's really not that many free sundays in the base game; I think the very first set of cocktails repeat because you may not unlock Akechi's rank 4 at the earliest possible date, but most skills show up only once.
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There should be more Personas obviously based on cool comic book characters imho Like, Joker's Persona is just Arsène Lupin as a bird demon guy and that is way cooler than some mythological dork whose biggest claim to fame is braving the underworld to get his dead wife back.
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Man I forgot that Shinya also didn't want anything to do with you until you hooked him up with the Phantom Thieves. Joker literally has no friends outside of being a Phantom Thief, other than Hifumi and Kasumi. and I guess he and Ryuji were kind of hitting it off before getting into the metaverse stuff.
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ApplesandOranges posted:Does Mishima count as a friend? Ehhhh, they hang out sometimes. But he absolutely goes in the "wants nothing to do with Joker before getting the Phantom Thieves hookup" box.
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