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CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
do the leaks say anything about the game being filled with torture porn because that one scene from the reveal where the cult lady broke that girl's arm went on waaaaayyyyyyy too long and was really offputting

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CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Can't wait to see how the game explains why Supersoldier Abby wasn't at the hospital at the end of the first game

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Sassy Sasquatch posted:

Some people might be more interested in the circumstances around the leaks than the leaks themselves? I got some major plot points spoiled already but I don’t feel like reading up more or discussing them without fully knowing the game’s context.

honestly in that case it seems like 2 separate threads might be a smart idea, considering one subject doesn't require spoiler tags to discuss

Mr. Fortitude posted:

The other big problem is that Ellie and Dina are completely innocent and undeserving of Abby's wrath. It makes sense for her to kill Joel but you don't play as Abby until after she kills Joel, so at that point she already has an uphill battle in making players give a poo poo about her. Then she spends the rest of the game going after a girl who literally had no choice in the matter with what the Fireflies were going to do and what Joel did in retaliation and her pregnant lover who literally has done nothing to harm Abby. Abby even going "good" at being told that Dina is pregnant before attempting to slit her throat just throws any sympathy and investment for the new character out of the window.

I think you're missing some info from the leaks. Abby lets Ellie go after ambushing them and killing Joel, since she knows Ellie had nothing to do with this. Ellie then spends the rest of the game hunting down and murdering Abby's friends who took part in the ambush which makes Abby come after her

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I mean media does this all the time. Introduce a character that you loving loathe, but over time does things that make the audience love them more and more until by the end you're actively rooting for this guy you hated at the start. It's slightly different in that you're playing as this character for half the game but it's the same concept, and we're missing hours and hours of story and gameplay that will probably show Abby in a better light.

I think the main issue is: is this really a story that needed to be told? I liked the sort of ambiguous ending the 1st one had and dont really think they needed to revisit these characters, especially if they're going to give one of them the Andrew Ryan treatment

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I will complain about Abby being buff only if the game refuses to take advantage of it by not allowing you to falcon punch, suplex, and roundhouse kick zombies resident evil style

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Donut Abby mode where a big blob brutally beats the audience's surrogate daughter leaving her a bleeding quivering mess on the floor

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
tbf them sending Joel out to die as soon as he starts protesting probably didn't help his mental state much. he didn't have to go on a rampage but it literally became a matter of life or death for him after they started escorting him out of the building without any supplies

edit: oh I rewatched it and the fireflies literally introduce themselves to Joel by threatening him at gunpoint and knocking him out while he was trying to give CPR to Ellie lol these guys deserved to die

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
nvm I misread stuff

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Stux posted:

again kind of missing that joel is, and they also do know this, a monsterous murderer already, and he then literally kills them all. are we to think if they just let him see her he wouldve just gone "ok cool bye" lol

if there was one person that could have stopped God of Death Joel it's Ellie (and now Abby I guess)

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Fat_Cow posted:

At least the memes from this are good.




Fungi, son

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I dont suppose they could have had Ellie like, spit into a petri dish or something before whipping out the bone saw

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
this is probably how things will go down

-Abby and friends kill Joel and beat Ellie
-next couple chapters show Abby and her friends and expand on their character a bit, humanise them and show that they're probably decent people(as decent as you can be to survive the apocalypse) and may even regret what they've just done
-Ellie starts killing them one by one Predator style and Abby becomes more and more unhinged as her friends drop like flies around her
-Abby does the 2 on 1 beatdown and is ready to cut a pregnant bitch up

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Hibbloes posted:

Right, i agree with you on that completely. i kinda mean that the way abby commits these acts (brutal murder of foster father, explicit in a traumatic way) she is making sure she traumatizes elly and fertilizing the grounds of revenge. she doesn't sneak a poison pill into joel's cuppa. she's triggering elly's desire for revenge in a way that doesn't make "well, why dont you just let it go?" seem sensible to me.

from what I saw in the leaked cutscene Abby doesn't intentionally kill Joel right in front of Ellie with the intent of traumatizing her. Abby and friends are beating Joel in a separate room away from everyone else, and Ellie barges in just in time to see the final blow

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Skippy McPants posted:

Like, here's what I expect from TLoU 2. It's somewhat speculative, but it's what I'd do if I had to write a lovely Revenge R Bad narrative.

Act 1: we play as Ellie, and there is an initial conflict with the zealots. We see her reconnect with Joel and begin repairing the rift between them. Abby is introduced, and she has some limited interaction with Ellie. Maybe they even form a bit of a rapport. The act ends when Abby gets her revenge and kills Joel.

Act 2: is Abby's perspective. We get flashbacks of her dealing with her Dad's death and many scenes of her hanging out and interacting with her lively, colorful friends and her boyfriend. What goofs they all are! But oh no, Abby is ill at ease because killing Joel didn't grant her any catharsis. Maybe revenge... bad? Ellie reappears and starts murdering all of Abby's friends to try and get at her. It all comes to a head when Ellie has Abby's BF at her mercy. Abby begs for his life, saying something like, "I love him," and Ellie says "good" and kills him.

Act 3: builds to the showdown, with Abby hunting Ellie. Both of their respective communities try to talk them down because remember, revenge... bad? But now they're all fired up with THE HATE, so they don't listen. Stuff happens and then the two square off, ending with the scene in the videos where Abby is about to murder a pregnant woman in a mirror of her BFs death when one of her last remaining friends stops her. Postscript: Abby has moved on with her life, but Ellie can't and is resolved to killing Abby.

The game will expect the player to think these two paths are at all equivalent and that Ellie is somehow the bad one for failing to turn the other cheek. Despite Abby getting her revenge and getting to be the bigger woman (literally, rimshot) while Ellie gets to eat poo poo.

I mean in this scenario Ellie has definitely had her revenge multiple times over if she gets to kill all of Abby's loved ones

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

lol

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Zeta Acosta posted:

Also that leak video should have stayed. This is the spoilers thread for fucks sake.

yeah I don't quite get the mod decision here. I don't think having the leak link here is going to open SA up to any legal liability, and this is a thread for specifically talking about leaks, unless a new rule was added that I'm not aware of?

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Cuntellectual posted:

The gameplay is functional at best, repetitive and poorly executed at worst. It's just a series of AAA gameplay features like stupid instant crafting, garbage stealth where your AI partners could be sucking the enemies off and they wouldn't notice, and loving quick time events.

people always complain about this but it would be a million loving times worse if the enemies could actually detect your AI partners and gently caress up your stealth

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Cuntellectual posted:

Don't get me wrong, that would be worse. I just wish Ellie would try to hide, or stay offscreen or something.

they definitely could have done that but it's pretty clear that they wanted Ellie to participate in the battles and help the player occasionally, so having her be invisible until you get detected was the best compromise they could come up with without spending 100 years perfecting the pathfinding AI

edit: also I don't agree with all of cuntellectual's points but you're looking like a giant prick right now Stux

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
that post apocalyptic gym looks nicer than mine

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Jokes aside she honestly doesnt look that buff

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I'd say that would have to be some sort of HR nightmare to force your employees to watch snuff videos but lol this is america employees have no rights

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
also lol at needing a reference video to suss out what happens to someone when they get stabbed and NOT using Surviving Edged Weapons

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Ham posted:

You say that as if the US doesn't have a significant part of its politicians and right-leaning folks downplaying rape and its effects all the time. Sound like a 90 minutes well-spent there doesn't it?

But maybe everyone is as enlightened as Zeta Acosta afterall.

if they didn't think rape was bad before I highly doubt a 90 minute snuff film would change their minds

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
it's just such a weird thing to ban, it's not like the full game got leaked and you can download and play it for free, it's just some cutscenes. it's like if we banned discussion of the panama papers because they weren't obtained with the owners' consent

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Sassy Sasquatch posted:

Ellie murders deers and rabbits, she's easily the most awful character in the game.

deer suck, jury's still out on rabbits tho

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
Thankfully tlou2 is going to show us how real stories are done. Step aside anime dorks, I've got 90 minutes of teenage girls being savagely beaten to show you

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
yeah I know you didn't mean it as a defense of tlou but i'll take sloppy japanese jank over John Madden's Teenage Face Smasher 2020 any day

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Zeta Acosta posted:

Bold of Neil putting an archery demonstration with the character who has no qualms on breaking a teenage girl jaw, beating a man to death with a golf club and who wanted to cut the throat of a pregnant lady. Thats complex storytelling right there babyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

tbf Joel's probably done all that and more so it's not too out of place for the game to try to humanize abby the same way

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

MeatwadIsGod posted:

We have now surpassed Alien vs. Predator 2 levels of spite.



hopefully they go the Fallout 4 route and have hundreds of dog names recorded that randomly play throughout the game

"oh no.... Crotchgnawer oh my god nooo!!!!"

glad they worked their employees to death to get this revolutionary new feature in

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Ham posted:

The gently caress are you talking about, are your kids trained to savage other people?

aren't yours?

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
the fireflies are dumb because they have this walking apocalypse that just nearly single-handedly murdered his way across America to get to them and they decide the best course of action after pissing him off is to send one guy with a pistol to escort him

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
oh no Murder the dog got murdered! oh man oh geez

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Jean Pierre Polnareff got his revenge and felt pretty good about it

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
its a mixture between a really dumb feature that some poor programmer probably missed his kid's birthday to implement, the fact that the marketing materials are pushing this one specific feature really hard, and while this is just personal preference, dog enemies suck in video games they're very annoying even though dogs irl are the best

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
like whenever the sequel to a game goes "and we have a new enemy type: dogs!" I gag a little cuz dogs suck so much to fight against in video games

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
no but then after I killed one I heard a zombie moaning in a kinda sad way and I realized what I had done and shut the game off

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

grieving for Gandalf posted:

e: can you tell me more about "Slur 4"

It's a meme about Doom 2016. The reveal trailer didnt show the game in a very nice light so people started calling it "Retard 4" until they showed real gameplay and people realized the game was actually pretty rad

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
I didn't watch the whole thing but I'm impressed at the sheer number that people have put out in such a short amount of time

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen
oh my god lol

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CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

The REAL Goobusters posted:

i dont own a ps4 hehehe

you'll still buy it or so help me god!

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