Internet Kraken posted:

Sure would be nice if people were more outraged by the company's abusive practices rather than the writing being bad.

Is there any path for the game industry to get out of this crunch hell they've created?

Lurdiak posted:

Why does this spoiler thread have a spoiler tag rule. Who is reading up on the Last of Us 2 leaks hoping not to get spoiled.

tithin posted:

But what's this about them not being paid?

Dork457 posted:

It seems like games take for granted a lot the idea that because you're given control of something in game, you automatically adjust to the goals and parameters that the game has laid out for you. That bioshock reveal of "whoa what IS choice!?" only goes so far when you're talking in real world terms of you paying 60 dollars to play something. To be constantly confronted with the dollar store psychological bent of "whoa have you ever thought how you never actually questioned what the game was asking you to do?" gets a little old.

Stux posted:

i mean the point in spec ops the line is literally to say to the player "stop playing" thats the option youre given

v weird people trying to retroactively say spec ops was bad now too???? like its cool if you dont like stuff thats pretty miserable but that doesnt make it bad, it was really well done.

Ruflux posted:

I suppose Joel looks pretty built too but it's harder to judge since you don't see him with a short-sleeve or no shirt.

Cuntellectual posted:

I lead with the part I did because I think it's the more relevant point. As I said, I don't recall it super clearly so I'll cop to it if I'm wrong, but I recall the game basically saying "Wow Joel, we sure are close now" without actually having much reason to think that. They just started acting a lot friendlier abruptly.

Firstborn posted:

You really said the music is bad in TLOU? You think Gustavo Santaolalla is making "generic Avengers music"?
Take 5 minutes and watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejdjcun2Jo4
Skip to about 3:50. He sometimes used things like broken guitars, household items you'd find repurposed as potential instruments in the apocalypse, and seldom heard or mixed instruments to convey the idea of disparate pieces having to come together.

Panzeh posted:

The Last of Us is at its best when it puts you in situations with like 2 bullets, a shotgun shell, a board and you have to fight six human enemies. I think that's pretty solid gameplay and certainly not just uncharted redux. The game doesn't always do this, though, and especially it never really does this on the lower difficulty settings.

Cuntellectual posted:

Like everything else I've said, you can disagree. I know it's a big Gamer things to take critique of something people like as a personal attack, but it's really not. If you like it, that's cool. Personally, I've played a lot of games and heard a lot of game music and TLoU's soundtrack just doesn't have character to it.

ilmucche posted:

The "us" in last of us actually refers to the zombies. After the first game all the zombies are killed and only Ellie remains as an infected so she is the last of "us", trying to survive the attempts of the jacked lady ending her fungal species.

ilmucche posted:

I thought you just had to breathe it, and the mad angry people spread it because they're trying to chase everyone down.

And i'm not sure miracle is the right word to use there

BisbyWorl posted:

Infected person climbs up a tree, clings to it until they die.

Turns out that dead humans aren't really designed to cling to trees, so they instantly fall out.

am0kgonzo posted:

he is loyal, competent and he pets dogs and horses

he is very cool

CharlestonJew posted:

deer suck, jury's still out on rabbits tho

doingitwrong posted:

Maybe. It’s from the franchise era of games where sales are mostly a reflection of sentiment about the previous game’s quality since it’s all so pre-order based and most sales happened in the first week or so after launch. Wikipedia doesn’t break out Rogue vs Syndicate sales but puts them at 10 million combined. Black flag sold 15 million. Syndicate sold less and Ubi blamed that on the Unity release. All this set in motion the end of annual release cycle and a reboot of the series’ gameplay.

Zeta Acosta posted:

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/culture/article/the-last-of-us-part-ii-neil-druckmann-interview?amp

Drukman is on huffing fart mode x1000 and the story really is "violence is bad"


5 burned dogs out of 5

That GQ article posted:

The attention to detail is staggering. Druckmann shows me a new gore system that realistically renders dripping and pooling blood, which a developer created proactively in their spare time.

Stux posted:

making the violence visceral and upsetting is how you make the violence bad. sanitising it is how other games make what would otherwise be pretty awful violence fun and "enjoyable"

Stux posted:

if war is bad, why make a film showing the horrors of war in the first place?

like what even is this argument, its nonsense. this is the exact problem, we are jumping from "i dont like this and dont want to see it" to "and so it literally shouldnt exist" and it isnt tlou2 related at all, just blanketed at all violence, even if something is making the point that the violence is bad.

JBP posted:

Does it encourage you to do that? Does the paperclip man come on screen and tell you to burn the dogs? Burning dogs and murdering people sounds like a situation where you hosed up very badly.

dogstile posted:

If it requires the player to kill people to advance it shouldn't get to say "oh by the way violence is bad" at the end. Same issue i had with spec ops, where you literally had to commit war crimes to continue and then went "war crimes are bad".

Giving someone the option and chastising them for choosing the violent one is far more effective than making you do it and going "nonono, you silly goose".

Harrow posted:

But I'm also coming from a point of view where I don't think there should've been a sequel to The Last of Us in the first place so

Gabby_Jay posted:

Just watch Blue Ruin instead. It's shorter than this game and will most assuredly be a better told story about misguided revenge.

tuo posted:

maybe there's a pacifist run

Flannelette posted:

Did they just forget to review the gameplay or is it so much like the first one to not matter?

Bonaventure posted:

harping about the player’s lack of agency in the polygon review is misguided: I didn’t complain when, like, Cloud from FF7 does something stupid in the plot I’d rather he didn’t, and that’s ostensibly a roleplaying game

Gay Rat Wedding posted:

Can I date the man and his dog?

RBA Starblade posted:

I'm pretty sure I flamethrowered a few hundred dogs in Fallout so this probably isn't that different

r u ready to WALK posted:

I'll consider forgiving Druckmann's terrible sins if the entirety of TLOU part 3 is played as the puppies of all the dogs you killed

CharlestonJew posted:

how can it not be good? comicbook.com gave it a perfect score

CharlestonJew posted:

so in the gameplay, when you saw all the signs in the police office saying "WELCOME TO YOUR FIRST DAY AT THE POLICE STATION LEON, AS A COP, HERE AT THE POLICE STATION" what did you think

Junpei Hyde posted:

These tweets fuckin suck lmao

ShortyMR.CAT posted:

oh uh

so how many dogs got names that get killed? I needa know if they lose 2 paw digits and play take on me but howl it instead


HOW MANY ACOUSTIC COVERS ARE THERE GOD DAMNIT?!

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Codependent Poster posted:

It looks like the game would be a thousand times better if it was just about Ellie playing with friendly dogs.

Zongerian posted:

It's a really interesting phenomenon when there are people who refuse to play a game but are compelled to discuss it, it's not unique to this game but Nasty Dog have succeeded in pushing the envelope in that regard if nothing else