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Maximo Roboto posted:Haiku, Oracle, Rust, Nginx stack i dont know what to do if even my stack is horny
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May 19, 2020 00:28
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I just wanted a stack to include Haiku
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May 19, 2020 00:32
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haskell instead
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May 19, 2020 04:33
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haskell is good
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May 20, 2020 09:26
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trip report update: took the stupid hp back, bought a (possibly less) stupid set of cheapo parts from micro center to build a tower. it's just gonna do dlna, sftp and maybe a few other things. also got openbsd on an edgerouter 4. reading through the book of pf to get my ruleset nice and tight like your mom's pussy
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May 23, 2020 04:21
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fart simpson posted:haskell is good 
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May 23, 2020 05:15
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my gathering of old fart engineers has observed that Stanford is now teaching CS students rust, and they are coming out as unhireable zealots.
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May 23, 2020 15:50
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improvement from before when they were just unhireable imbéciles
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May 23, 2020 15:58
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The Management posted:my gathering of old fart engineers has observed that Stanford is now teaching CS students rust, and they are coming out as unhireable zealots. lol if your bs cs didn't have you touching different langs all of the time.
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May 23, 2020 16:37
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The Management posted:my gathering of old fart engineers has observed that Stanford is now teaching CS students rust, and they are coming out as unhireable zealots. rust continuing to do the lords work
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May 23, 2020 16:45
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ngl i would probably have preferred learning rust instead of C when i was in college
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May 23, 2020 17:24
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the one true plang
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May 23, 2020 21:40
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is there anything quite as good as c for learning about low-level computin' though (i'm brushing up on x86 assembly and am glad to have a c background) (also lol the second college i went to had me re-take an operating systems class because they didn't trust the previous school's, which was c-based, and i got to write a thread scheduler for solaris as a final project thing- the new school taught everything in java for pretend os-like tasks  )
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May 23, 2020 22:05
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C++ can do everything you'd ever need a programming language to do, so it's unclear to me why others even exist. just a bunch of smug nerds thinking they're smarter than bjarne stroustoup and dennis ritchie.
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May 23, 2020 22:15
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Sagebrush posted:C++ can do everything you'd ever need a programming language to do, so it's unclear to me why others even exist. just a bunch of smug nerds thinking they're smarter than bjarne stroustoup and dennis ritchie. I'm probably getting wooshed here but I do some C++ at dayjob and while I enjoy it, my problem is I'm definitely not as smart as stroustrup or ritchie
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May 23, 2020 22:25
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The Management posted:my gathering of old fart engineers has observed that Stanford is now teaching CS students rust, and they are coming out as unhireable zealots. sounds like those engineers are avoiding terrible opportunities op
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May 23, 2020 22:54
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Sagebrush posted:
your post contained a couple tiny errors so i fixed it for you no worries
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May 23, 2020 23:53
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psiox posted:is there anything quite as good as c for learning about low-level computin' though
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May 24, 2020 00:28
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i don't know how you can even call something a programming language if you can't write directly to a memory cell of your choice
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May 24, 2020 02:03
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Sagebrush posted:i don't know how you can even call something a programming language if you can't write directly to a memory cell of your choice unironically agreed
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May 24, 2020 02:06
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Sagebrush posted:i don't know how you can even call something a programming language if you can't write directly to a memory cell of your choice sounds like a side effect, op if it can't be expressed in terms of pure functions it's not something that has any business being written
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May 24, 2020 13:04
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can you write directly to a memory cell using c though? isn't virtual memory in your way here? i guess you can on embedded stuff and old computers though
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May 24, 2020 13:14
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carry on then posted:sounds like a side effect, op the function has type universe -> universe op
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May 24, 2020 18:48
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The Management posted:my gathering of old fart engineers has observed that Stanford is now teaching CS students rust, and they are coming out as unhireable zealots. :clap: teach the concepts not a language :clap:
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May 24, 2020 19:05
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Asleep Style posted:I'm probably getting wooshed here but I do some C++ at dayjob and while I enjoy it, my problem is I'm definitely not as smart as stroustrup or ritchie A great place to learn something hard is a building full of professors who teach it to you for 2+ years. I was shocked when I found out computer-degreed kids were being dumped into the world knowing only java.
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May 24, 2020 20:40
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Captain Pike posted:I was shocked when I found out computer-degreed kids were being dumped into the world knowing only java. someone needs to write middleware.
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May 24, 2020 20:48
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trip report update: my edgerouter 4 is now my home router. linksys router has been decommissioned and boxed up. just now found out that octeon patches haven't been compiled for syspatch, so it'll be fun installing the compiler set and building those manually when I see a particularly concerning security errata come down the pipe  other than that pf and unbound are pretty badass, and it's nice to be able to administrate my network using good old fashioned config files and a CLI 
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May 25, 2020 00:36
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DELETE CASCADE posted:imo a systems language is one where you can take a network packet or some other bit of raw data that comes in a string, define a struct that says what the bits and bytes represent (eg first 4 bytes are a number, next 2 bytes are some enum code, then a bitfield of flags, etc.), and just plain cast the string to the struct and start manipulating its fields old post but not validating poo poo is a great way to install monero miners on all your internet-facing hardware
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May 25, 2020 01:23
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me, casting an incoming HTTP request to a void (*coolfunc)(void) and calling it: heh, all these new-school managed-language users just aren't used to REAL low level programming
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May 25, 2020 01:31
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do it all in assembly you cowards
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May 25, 2020 02:09
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animist posted:me, casting an incoming HTTP request to a void (*coolfunc)(void) and calling it: heh, all these new-school managed-language users just aren't used to REAL low level programming why is your heap executable?
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May 25, 2020 02:50
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The Management posted:why is your heap executable? w^x just slows me down, man. I don't like a language where I can't immediately write and execute any memory cell I please.
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May 25, 2020 03:01
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animist posted:w^x just slows me down, man. I don't like a language where I can't immediately write and execute any memory cell I please. sounds like someone’s got a fancy fully coherent point of unification
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May 25, 2020 04:19
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wasm's official spec used to just be a c repo.
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May 25, 2020 04:50
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The Management posted:sounds like someone's got a fancy fully coherent point of unification thats because i use x86, like god intended alternatively: how dare you. ive never made a coherent point in my life
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May 25, 2020 05:47
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just ran through all the patches for 6.7 on the edgerouter 4. deffo set aside a few hours on octeon for this if you're considering this hardware. building the kernel takes around 30-45 mins iirc
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May 25, 2020 19:49
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got an HP ProLiant DL360p Gen8 just humming along now with NetBSD it’s only got two 2.5GHz E5-2640 CPUs so it’s not the speediest but even building LLVM from source with ninja -j24 doesn’t really make the fans run very much once I replace the SFF×8 drive cage with an LFF×4 bay and install some huge disks maybe that’ll be different also considering getting more RAM, it’s got 48GB but 32GB modules for it are cheap…
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May 26, 2020 04:01
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i miss freebsd 5.x so much. the userspace, amazing docs, the kernel that had a book about it.... a real unix system. drat. that was the last time it was fun to use computer
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May 27, 2020 06:47
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I just plugged my RTL USB TV receiver into the ProLiant, installed rtl-sdr from pkgsrc, and it just works need to add an sdr group and chgrp the dev node though, I don’t like having anything that takes input from the outside world running as root after that I need to set up some RTSP streamer or something so I can use it from anywhere
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Vomik posted::clap: teach the concepts not a language :clap: i don't get this, why are people learning languages at all? i graduated from college only 12 years ago (gently caress that sounds like a long time ago now), and we barely had any actual coding in my courses. mostly it was math courses, and theory/concepts. we had to write stuff for PLCs and FPGAs, but that was more of an understanding of how 1s and 0s can be used to calculate things to be used in the real world. we had one course that was about microcontrollers and programming them in ASM, and that was because it was focused on interfacing with hardware like motors and to learn to apply algorithms at a low level. oh, I DID have a "programming languages" course that covered a few different languages but we barely wrote code in them, it was just like 3 weeks we'll discuss functional languages (we wrote 3-4 tiny ML programs), some prolog, and i forget what the 3rd was.
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