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Cerv posted:it’s the opposite of giving Chakrabarti a peerage right after her report into the party, which forever tainted the impartiality of the report To be fair, that report was never going to be accepted by the right in any case. The ill feeling was so apparent at that launch meeting. Chakrabarti was, to the best of my knowledge, someone who had unimpeachable integrity up to that point as a champion of minority rights and civil liberties. There are peerages far less deserved IMO. On a sidenote, does anyone know the outcome of Marc Wadsworth suing the party in the aftermath of Smeethgate? Not having much luck turning anything up. Likewise, what happened to Emily Thornberry? She confirmed she had initiated legal action against Caroline Flint but I haven't heard anything since. Normally there's at least a statement saying if the parties have reached an amicable settlement or something like that?
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Jose posted:gently caress tom watson Isn't great leadership when you follow scientific advice and make the right decisions in advance of when they're needed, so you're not playing perpetual catchup? It's almost like a parody account. 
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This US women's soccer team equal pay lawsuit is starting to look quite misjudged, as is their reaction to the verdict on twitter. A lot of UK news articles seem to be missing the detailed meat of the numbers when covering this story. In a nutshell, it turns out that: (i) the women's team were offered identical terms to the men's team (a key difference being higher bonuses), but previously rejected them, in preference for different terms with higher guaranteed pay - e.g. they are paid if they don't play games, whereas the men are only paid if they participate in matches. (ii) the women's team were paid more than the men's team on a cumulative basis ($24.5m vs $18.5m) (iii) the women's team were paid more than the men's team on a per-game basis ($221k vs $213k) (iv) the men's team would have been paid more, had they been on the terms of the women's team It looks very much like they're regretting the deal they signed, because with the benefit of hindsight they would have been paid an even greater amount under the higher bonus structure of the men's team given the games they won. They're trying to have their cake and eat it through equality legislation. Spinning the verdict as "valuing women less", when it was undisputed by the plaintiffs that the women's team were paid more than the men's over the period in question, and that they'd been offered the same terms before, is pretty cynical IMO. quote:The history of negotiations between the parties demonstrates that the WNT rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure as the MNT, and the WNT was willing to forgo higher bonuses for benefits, such as greater base compensation and the guarantee of a higher number of contracted players,” Klausner wrote. And the judgement, for those who want the source: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6881171-WomensSoccerSummaryJudgment.html Samael posted:I work at a post office and just got a urgent email down saying that regular letters and large letters won't be sent on Saturdays now, which means that they have an absolute ton of mail to be sent out. So if you have got mail to send, I would strongly recommend sending it via signed for or even special delivery if you need it there asap because I have been seeing delays of up to a week or two so far and it's bound to get worse before it gets better. Huh. It's funny how much that must vary across the country. We've still got normal mail delivery times as of a couple of days ago. Prince John fucked around with this message at 12:57 on May 2, 2020 |
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Guavanaut posted:shows that the latter is the hiss of privilege scratched. Nice.
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justcola posted:eee you kept that quiet ey. I do like hearing stories about public figures though, they seem to have this certain charisma that gets to people. I've met Andy Burnham and a few other MPs and most had it. Weird. George W Bush was another one who was apparently intensively likeable in person. Charming, funny, self deprecating, really made you feel like you were important to him. Michelle Obama described him as a "beautiful, funny, kind, sweet man". A friend of mine from uni in the civil service worked closely with David Cameron, and said he was also super friendly, polite, respectful and always had time for her. Although I guess for every Cameron you have a Broon who liked to throw furniture around if memory serves. Edit: Apparently memory doesn't serve, but he did have a temper. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/feb/21/gordon-brown-abusive-treatment-staff Prince John fucked around with this message at 09:04 on May 7, 2020 |
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happyhippy posted:Bet you one of the counts of resisting arrest is when he was just tazed and had no control over his body. Twitter, so who knows, but apparently he had already been resisting for some time when the camera started rolling, including using the child as a human shield to push them away when they tried to arrest him. Bobstar posted:K-starm getting more praise from the best possible sources I see This is a great way to get the Olds on side to actually make the government do something about care homes though. I'll take it. Edit: Although hilarious trying to say that the only thing stopping Corbyn from favourable front page Torygraph spreads was just him asking. GazChap posted:I left my house last night to go and get some fish’n’chips, just as the 8pm clap started. Everybody was doing it, which made me feel a little bad that we haven’t been. It also felt massively uncomfortable, like everyone was sarcastically clapping my decision to not cook for myself. We had the exact same experience. Walking to our local park and realised it was almost Clap Clap Time and we still had a couple of minutes of houses to get past before we reached some open space. Everyone was just standing in their gardens watching us walk by and it was super awkward. Neither of us does the clap thing both because it's mawkish and because we hate the way people are using it to pretend like they give a poo poo about the NHS when they'll happily vote the Tories in. I sort of ended up doing embarrassed half clapping as we walked past the last few houses. Eugh. Also, someone apparently had an air raid siren. Prince John fucked around with this message at 17:39 on May 8, 2020 |
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OwlFancier posted:The specific push to celebrate it at this time in this place is tory propaganda, because its function is to distract from the failures of the government and their culpability in tens thousands of preventable deaths. It is a circus, which works to rob it of any other meaning it might have had, which frankly I would also dispute. Isn't that just dictated by the 75th anniversary though? We'd still be celebrating it today with no COVID and if Corbyn was PM.
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Bobstar posted:I had to look up mawkish because it looked like it might have an interesting etymology, and I was right: This is amazing, thanks for sharing!
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sebzilla posted:Problem is you have a load of people questioning why they should go back to wage labouring for their shelter and food as the state has proven itself capable of covering it. I'm not sure this is the case. This can be easily framed within the familiar context of household spending. "Well, I was able to put food on the table by using a payday loan company for a couple of months, but of course that's not sustainable and I need to go back to work now." The government has borrowed the money to cover the furlough payments and the usual people will have zero problems declaring that it's Common Sense it can't be done forever.
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justcola posted:He started talking about Q but I couldn't be arsed by that point. Huh, apparently I am a sweet summer child, only aware of the Q entity from Star Trek or Q from James Bond. It's a bit concerning when 4chan nuttery starts getting traction over here. I always
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Daniel Kawczynski has always been one of the larger bellends in the Tory party if memory serves.Mebh posted:Also. Hl. Hey! Welcome to the madhouse. Edit: zentigeist posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1259945593805221891?s=20 I assume this is a police tazing in the making that the UKMT could get behind? Trouble is, even arresting the chucklefuck is just doing exactly what he wants. Prince John fucked around with this message at 08:18 on May 12, 2020 |
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Could you be considered NFA if you weren't living on the streets but had been provided with temporary accommodation for the duration of the pandemic? That might explain the apparent inconsistency if so.
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O-Unit posted:Anyway she has developed a slight cough in the past few days, and her Area Manager has ordered her to self-isolate on SSP again. Thing is, she doesn't believe this cough is Covid-related because a) she doesn't have a fever, and b) she has already had a spell of the full Covid symptoms (dry-cough, fever, loss of smell, etc.) last month, for which she self-isolated as she should have done. She has applied for a Covid test, but she hasn't even had an invitation to chose a timeslot yet so who knows how long that whole process is going to take with the current backlog. Didn't see another reply to this so I will pick up. Landlord needs some guillotine. Might be worth just stopping paying if money is that tight. He is forbidden from evicting her at least until 30 June I think, and this may be extended if furloughing has been. Maybe engage with him again and point out that reduced rent for a month or two would be far better than insolvency of his tenant. As for the fever, about 12% of people with confirmed cases of COVID-19 have no fever, so it's certainly plausible that she can still have it without. (Presumably the real number is vastly higher than 12%, given the completely asymptomatic cases). That said, it does seem unlikely if she previously had the full gamut of symptoms, although I think the jury is still out on the immunity level you get from catching it once. Maybe she has it again, but a mild version? But as you say, could just be a cough. :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/19782405/Coronavirus_Symptoms___WHO_joint_mission_2.png) I can understand why a shop employer would want to play it safe and get a worker with a cough to self isolate I guess, especially if other workers might be concerned and not want her to be there. IANAL and I'm not up to reading the whole of the act, but based on the headings, I'd suggest she wouldn't be breaking the law by struggling into work, unless she'd had an assessment and been directed not to. Most of the powers seem to relate to people who are known to have COVID-19 and are refusing to comply with orders. You might be interested in Schedule 29 covering eviction protection and maybe Part 2 covering powers relating to potentially infectious people in England & Wales. Prince John fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 12, 2020 |
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winegums posted:The US left is facing a similarly dismal future. The democratic race for leader showed how utterly corrupt their party is, as Joe Biden ratfucked his way to be leader. Wasn't the primary reason for Biden becoming leader that a whole bunch of voters unexpectedly decided to vote for him at critical points in the race, especially Southern black voters on Super Tuesday? He got 61% of the black vote in South Carolina, 58% in Texas, 60% in Virginia, 62% in North Carolina and 72% in Alabama. He's crushing Bernie among that demographic, apparently just because he was Obama's VP. Even in states where Bernie was strong, Biden still performed much better among the middle ages and above and with uneducated voters. You can't blame the Democrat party leadership for people's bad voting choices. jabby posted:I literally stopped checking this thread because instead of an outlet it turned into something actively harmful to my mental health ... Maybe I've missed all the good, positive stuff ...I mean gently caress, I meet people dying of Covid who depress me less than reading a few pages here. I, for one, appreciate your posts, especially those with medical insights. People will harrumph about  in here if you grumble about tone, but if you want an example of something truly good that has happened ITT then check out the benevolent fund stuff in the OP. I thought that was pretty special.Look after yourself. 
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Cerv posted:do what exactly? the tweet's already deleted. what's he going to get out of suing? a very small payout. it's not like Dorries can get chucked in jail or forced out of parliament over it. Isn't it more about discouraging other Tory MPs from sharing shite on twitter without checking the veracity? Don't imagine he needs the money.
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Cerv posted:aren't they just voting on the first reading? parliamentary procedure is boring but at this point it's a vote on whether to proceed to further stages, not to pass into law. Nope, it's the second reading today. (source) Vitamin P posted:If he blew up at you for making a joke that's disgusting, if you don't feel safe to insult a dogshit politician with your partner then your partner is dogshit. This is a little bit of an overreaction. Cerv posted:The whips office have severely bollocked Dorries, Caulfield & Allan over exactly that point. I know this used to be a big deal, but in the modern post-truth Tory party I was imaging it was just a "chortle, chortle, what a jape, don't do it again". Prince John fucked around with this message at 21:26 on May 18, 2020 |
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forkboy84 posted:I submit that if this was true the Tories wouldn't be lurching further & further right. That only works as an argument if the Tories are lurching right out of a rational hunt for electoral success, rather than a bunch of people intent on pursuing these policies for personal economic gain or ideological purity. ronya posted:Seriously though, one of the weirder triumphs of Corbynism - seriously, it is hard to understate just how strange this is relative to previous leaders hailing from the party left - is the ease with which Corbyn could command unity amongst the normally fractious UK left-wing. Quite aside from Brexit, one suddenly saw the constellation of tiny left-wing parties and radical groups suddenly embrace Corbyn-branded Labourism after Corbyn becomes leader, even before the referendum in 2016. And after the referendum, no2eu quietly folds, everyone who matters is now 7/10 pro-EU. Michael Foot never saw such acquiescent unity on his left. I always thought this was because in the halcyon days he looked like a candidate that had the potential to connect with voters on a human level that had real electoral potential. People can swallow a lot for the prospect of a transformative leftist success. a glitch posted:Gonna echo the calls to take him to the vet ASAP. Even if you were to totally ignore your cat's welfare, the amount of distress his condition is causing you both is reason enough to take him now IMO. Seconded.
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XMNN posted:my feeling is that the Tories at least don't really need to triangulate anymore because brexit has completed the process of chudifying large parts of the electorate and now labour are communist enemies of grate britan and you'll never reason a lot of people out of that, no matter how moderate you try and appear. Yep, I fear this might be the case. goddamnedtwisto posted:This is very well put (and with a lot less swearing than I'd have used). Ronya might need a copy-editor, but the vampire-seeing-sunlight reaction of certain posters to them is just ridiculous Agreed. If you don't like their posts, just skim over them. Simple. I normally learn something from reading them. ronya posted:it was more moderate - Miliband in 2015 pledged less austerity than Corbyn accepted as an already-passed done deal (the Welfare Reform and Work Act 2016 was only planned when Miliband went to the polls), and Miliband of course did not pledge to end free movement (nor did he really need to in 2015 pre-referendum of course). As far as the critical issue of the election went - immigration immigration immigration - Labour circa 2017 was actually much more hostile than Labour circa 2015, which would not (and could not) have countenanced ending free movement This take on the 2017 Labour manifesto austerity levels never seems to get enough airtime, since I remember looking into it at the time and discovering that it was basically true. That said, I think we're in the crazy place where the framing is even more important than the substance. In a world where the Tories could do no manifesto costings, yet criticise Labour for not costing their manifesto properly, it's clear that the public don't care about the substance. Successful framing allows us to slowly chip away at the corrosive crab bucket mentality that's got so much of the general public in its vice-like grip. Jaeluni Asjil posted:I just do not understand this fetishisation of getting up early. There's always the old wives' tale that an hour before midnight is worth two after. I have no idea whether that's true or not, or whether a couple of hours back and forward makes much difference. But if you have sleep patterns that are majorly different from your circadian rhythm then there are serious long term health consequences.
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Wow, he does look pretty smug. Also, isn't he missing a semicolon? :frown: Payndz posted:So what exactly is achieved by having 600+ people in one big room that couldn't be done remotely? Other than braying "hrurrhrurrhrurr!" over the Opposition speakers during Prime Minister's Questions. Maybe we can return them to socially distanced plastic cubicles on the green benches and give the speaker a mass mute button for their mics.
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escapegoat posted:Always struck me as odd how a single cult game can have a brick and mortar store on most high streets. It's not a game, it's a whole universe, man. 
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XMNN posted:for some reason the last time we had a general catch-up zoom they insisted I turned my loving camera on, just like "oh we can't see you? where are you?" and like why? It's hard enough to connect with people properly over zoom though. Having video compensates for this significantly by letting you read people's emotions better and also makes it less likely you'll talk over each other. We've found it pretty nice in our team to see everyone, especially during the period of hardcore lockdown when human interaction was fairly minimal. Zoom even lets you hide your gooncave with a virtual background so it's pretty unobtrusive.
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I know the thread isn't a huge fan of George Galloway, but this is a hell of a speech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTTXh9NG6Dg I'm only half way through, but so far he's shat on British hypocrisy over foreign resistance to occupation, how Labour is now indistinguishable from the Tories (it's dated in 2013), the risk of breaking up the UK because of the lack of a left wing party at the Scottish referendum, the impact of austerity, political corruption, the metaphorical reduction in the stature of politicians, police corruption, newspaper corruption, and now on to the bankers and the scale of tax evasion. It's quite articulate and engaging.
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feedmegin posted:I assume Little Bees is still fine Oh my god! I had forgotten that! "When you find yourself inside a bubble...!"
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jabby posted:Plus, the whole debate about sending them to care homes has ignored the fact that keeping them in hospital wasn't a great idea either. If you've been to hospital recently you'll know we have a very limited number of isolation rooms. Most of our capacity is open wards. So what were we meant to do with hundreds of suspected or confirmed cases that don't actually need any treatment? We aren't a quarantine service. Would all the currently empty beds in the Nightingale hospital be a sensible halfway house for quarantine? Or does that have most of the downsides of an extended hospital stay? I'm thinking the odds of acquiring a hospital infection are lower in somewhere with no surgeries etc and where everyone has the same illness? Edit: zhar posted:A phrase like "can't be trusted around children" just seems to carry a fairly specific implication to me I got the exact same implication, which I'm sure was intended by the OP.
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Looks like the first policeman in the US has been charged, although it's unclear to me how you can simultaneously be charged with both murder and manslaughter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52854025 Other interesting things to come out of the article: - A knee on the neck is a restraint technique in the police handbook and a permitted use of force, as long as no direct pressure is applied to the airway - The post mortem did not find evidence of "traumatic asphyxia or strangulation". - A combination of underlying heart conditions, potential intoxicants in his system and being restrained all likely contributed to his death
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Thanks for all the charging chat, thread. One thing that makes me think the murder charge might actually have a chance of success is that apparently one of the other cops tries to check for vital signs and can't find a pulse two minutes before the knee is removed. (I've read, I haven't watched it). Oh, and the same person linked earlier goes on to address pressure by the police on the autopsy report: https://twitter.com/TomatoGrandpa/status/1266590282977554433?s=20 Prince John fucked around with this message at 10:12 on May 30, 2020 |
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Jose posted:living under the CCP seems a drat sight better than under the tories rn. as long as you're not muslim anyway Assuming that this wasn't just a comedy throwaway post, this is pretty misguided IMO. We all love to moan about how terrible the Tories are, but we need to keep some perspective while we do so.
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Jose posted:genuinely what authoritarian stuff do they have that we don't aside from the uyghur camps but its not like the UK government doesn't have its own camps? for that they get a proper response to a pandemic, functional and good public transport and a not completely hosed housing situation despite the insane population I had a feeling this was lurking under the surface of your previous post! I'm going to give a low effort response and direct you to: Amnesty International human rights watch and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
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https://twitter.com/rodbishop15/status/1267005113308151810?s=20 Daily Mail doing some classic character assassination. Edit: Marr having a good day: quote:‘I came on your programme to talk about transport matters,’ says Shapps, ‘as my expertise lies in transport.’ Prince John fucked around with this message at 09:46 on May 31, 2020 |
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Jose posted:79 new cases meanwhile we've had 4 times the number of deaths of that the last 4 days in a row Oh god. This isn't going to end well.  Apparently the police bodycams had audio: quote:In the CBS interview, lawyer Benjamin Crump also said "we now have the audio from the police bodycam and we hear where one officer says 'he doesn't have a pulse, maybe we should turn him on his side', but yet officer Chauvin says 'no, we're going to keep him in this position'. That's intent." Prince John fucked around with this message at 19:25 on May 31, 2020 |
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jabby posted:You're absolutely right, it's just mass gatherings to protest and general civil unrest are going to make the virus spread so much faster. It's like watching a slow motion car crash, you can see what's coming and it's horrific. If it helps, the Independent Sage chap whose modelling has apparently been pretty accurate doesn't seem too worried about whether we ease lockdown at the wrong rate: quote:How well have your predictions been borne out in this first wave of infections?
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Jose posted:this is a real cop training video still used Pretty insane that all of this was found concealed on a person when they reached the custody suite after they were already searched on the street. 
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Cerv posted:probably wise. or it looks like he's trying to control the party from the backbenches. If the antisemitism investigation is being used as the reason to block Karie Murphy then it can also be used to block anyone else on his wing of the party that he might choose to nominate, so maybe he just didn't see the point.
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