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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

enki42 posted:

- Rape
- Child abductions
- Human trafficking (I could see a socialist society having an effect here, i can't see it eliminating it entirely)
- A not insignificant amount of homicides (anything where the motive can't be explained by poverty or hunger)


Abolishing the police would significantly reduce all of these things.

Also, the cops have a poo poo record in finding missing white women and children.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The largest human trafficking ring in human history is colloquially known as 'The US prison system'.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
An interesting example, given 'noise complaints' are one of the primary excuses used for white people to call the police on nonwhite people for the crime of having a birthday party for their children, talking to friends, or listening to music in their garage in broad daylight, and have them be intimidated, brutalised, murdered and enslaved. While a business violating the civil rights act already has precedent as something police never respond to, and requires escalating lawsuits to get any sort of response.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
They get their drugs and prostitutes by delivery.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
At this point, it's pretty likely that wasteland warlords would be less violent than the police as they are.

Reforming the police is like trying to reform ICE, or reform the Proud Boys. A more culturally sensitive Klan. A kinder, gentler Waffen-SS.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
American police have been exporting their culture to cops around the world, too.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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First it's a good idea to eliminate the most demonstrably violent class of people.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Nurge posted:

Well yeah but this is Canada. I would absolutely trust the Finnish police to do whatever it takes to get me safely to a hospital. It disturbs me that they're that hosed up in the mooseland.

American police have been exporting their culture worldwide as much as possible.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

CelestialScribe posted:

What do you suggest should be done? What should we do with former cops in a new world where police are abolished?

Many, likely most, deserve imprisonment. Some may be able to function in public after extensive programming. All should be considered potential domestic terrorists.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I feel this post about sums it up:

Real Mean Queen posted:

I’m just annoyed whenever anyone brings up cop training any more. Have you ever had a job before? Do you remember how you got very cursory training on your first day or week, and then all the other questions you had got answered by burned out pieces of poo poo who had been at it for years and told you that the real way to do things was the opposite of the way you were trained? This is that.

That’s been my experience in every service job I’ve ever had, and that still pales in comparison to a line of work that sends you to seminars about “Killology” that straight up only exist to teach you to default to killing strangers for no reason. The academy training itself doesn’t sound that bad, but the on the job training negates all of it, and the supplemental training that comes later is even worse. We’re way past training being the issue, we just need to loving fire every single one of these monsters, give them anywhere from bad references to prison sentences based on their individual qualities, and start fresh with a totally redesigned system.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
'Reform' is to 'Defund' as 'All' is to 'Black'.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Local politicians have been actively threatened and literally arrested by police for proposing even token oversight, btw.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

KingNastidon posted:

And local politicians have also had protesters/activists come to their residences and harass/threaten them. I really, really hate both. If you're humble enough to not believe you have 100% foresight on the outcome of every policy change then this all is a terribly rotten precedent to set.

These things are not equal.

You are buying into racist, right wing framing designed to ensure zero progress and continued violence.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
People who are not safe in their homes are right to protest outside those of politicians.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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You are literally 'I can't tell the difference!' between 'Jews Will Not Replace Us' and 'Black Lives Matter'.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It also doesn't stop domestic abusers who know the cops will side with them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I'm reminded of the Disco Elysium conversation about the idea of scab cops. There's a reason you never see them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

crepeface posted:

FYI, your first link doesn't work because you pasted a shortened display of it, it's https://www.wbez.org/stories/chicago-police-union-president-defends-those-who-stormed-us-capitol/6842fa80-3b83-4396-af05-a5f15f4ac740

also, nice to see celestialscribe is the same here as he is in the auspol thread lol

And that's after he got kicked out of uspol.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It's clear that American police will allow their own to be murdered by white nationalists if they do not immediately comply with them.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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So hey, Seattle cops deliberately ran over a crowd of bystanders during a tailgating event.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Like, Ace Attorney is if anything generous in its depiction of prosecutors vs defence attorneys, and it's already open about how the police and prosecutors are part of the exact same institution and joined at the hip while the defense attorneys are underpaid and openly despised and mocked, with court-ordered attorneys being a death sentence.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1381786521498497026

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Beefeater1980 posted:

I suspect that what would happen if you were really
to defund the police would depend on the location. Relatively quiet and safe areas would remain mostly safe and quiet, areas with a lot of gang activity would be safe or dangerous depending on whether one gang was enough in charge to enforce a monopoly on violence. That was broadly the experience in Brazil, anyway, when the Rio local government got into serious financial trouble.

In most areas, the only meaningful 'gangs' are the ones with badges.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Shooting Blanks posted:

This isn't funny - it's awesome. Yes, it probably means that in some (or most) cases, cops are just saying "I don't want to deal with this, someone else do it" - but it also validates the model in a massive way that is otherwise difficult to replicate.

Yeah, really spells it out that even the pigs don't want to be the first responders to everything, which is a good part of why they respond to everything with brutality.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Jaxyon posted:

It will be back. The propaganda is strong and pevasive.

Yep. Though it's a black eye for them at least. Copaganda is probably going to swing right into hero cops saving kids from shooters in the face of an ungrateful lying media.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
If cops want a fraction of the respect they believe should be afforded to them, then they should consider their lives forfeit. They shall not marry or be allowed relationships, applying chemical castration as necessary. They are expendable, their lives property of the state.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The cops literally constantly expect to be treated and honoured as if they do, so.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The cops actively tried to stop anyone else from intervening. They couldn't have done worse if they were actively aiding the shooter. Hell, maybe they were!

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Cpt_Obvious posted:

I'm just all out of anger. It's just sad to see something so cruel and pointless. The people trying to make the world a better place always seem to be in the greatest danger.

The cruelty is the point.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Also you know what happened to MLK and Malcom X, right?

Also all those cops who try to whistleblow and mysteriously get brutally beaten to death in 'training accidents' or forcibly institutionalised, which the police then issue challenge coins in celebration of.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Yeah, the police are literally an occupying army for all intents and purposes. That's how they see themselves, that's how they're trained, that's how they operate, and any attempt at oversight is seen as enemy action to be violently suppressed.

You cannot reform this.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

T Zero posted:

Man, his life was over as soon as he stopped the car.

Not remotely the most important thing here, but my god the cops here are so unprofessional, disorganized, and out of shape. Every one of them is heaving after two minutes. And they pepper sprayed themselves multiple times.

This is what happens when you're held to literally no standards.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Of course the call is coming from inside the house.

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