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Some sex workers really do get paid to poop. Makes you think,.
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Egg Moron posted:i think that being economically coerced into having sex you would otherwise not be having is rape does this include pornography since theyre still getting paid to have sex with people they otherwise wouldnt?
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Jun 6, 2020 03:35
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dead gay comedy forums posted:
So, I actually do do it as an extra side hustle sort of thing, entirely for the enjoyment of it (the cash is nice too). So understand my perspective will be very different from a full time escort or cam whore or whatever. I do it basically entirely because I really like kink bullshit, I'm good at it, and enough guys think I'm hot enough to pay me to wiggle my dick in their face or whatever
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Jun 6, 2020 04:07
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LittleBlackCloud posted:Why can't you understand the concept that you shouldn't have legal consequences specific to sex work, but instead regulate slavery and trafficking in general? making up things i haven't said is just bizarre. who said all sw were rich girls living on daddys credit, what? who said their should be specific legal consequences for sex work i have literally agreed it should be decriminalised and destigmatized and those who have been coerced given help to rebuild their lives. who wants to regulate slavery. wth are you talking about.
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Jun 6, 2020 04:17
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:does this include pornography since theyre still getting paid to have sex with people they otherwise wouldnt? it certainly could
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Jun 6, 2020 04:29
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gh0stpinballa posted:making up things i haven't said is just bizarre. who said all sw were rich girls living on daddys credit, what? who said their should be specific legal consequences for sex work i have literally agreed it should be decriminalised and destigmatized and those who have been coerced given help to rebuild their lives. who wants to regulate slavery. wth are you talking about. You don't seem to be making any coherent point. You bring up this figure of a privileged sex either that no one is talking about twice. Saying that it's held up as the normal. Which is frankly absurd. You talk about a specific set of decrim and Justice policies and say that enslaved workers come first. If you are not suggesting policies specific to sex trafficking what are you doing? I'm asking: what is your point?
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Jun 6, 2020 04:34
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LittleBlackCloud posted:You don't seem to be making any coherent point. You bring up this figure of a privileged sex either that no one is talking about twice. Saying that it's held up as the normal. Which is frankly absurd. i already made my point! many times! i agree with your position! why the hell are we arguing! you know what, i yield the floor. i don't wanna fight. i am gonna lurk and observe the discussion and hopefully learn a few things.
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Jun 6, 2020 04:41
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Dreddout posted:As an aside, chimpanzees are known to trade food such as fruit for sexual favors. Seeing as how we share a common ancestor sex work in the form of bartering likely predates homo sapiens. Please do not be about to unspool an anthropological argument for why you should be legally able to gently caress a chimp
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Jun 6, 2020 05:59
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How'd sex work come up in the cool zone? Just things people are arrested for?
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Jun 6, 2020 06:04
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Egg Moron posted:i think that being economically coerced into having sex you would otherwise not be having is rape It's a little more complex than that. If someone is in a circumstance where they basically have to prostitute themselves to have a roof over their head (or worse, food) then yeah, that would be akin to rape through economic coercion. But it's contingent on the economic conditions. In a place with an actual social safety net (and the better drug treatment model), and you're just doing sex work so you can get the newest generation iPhone sooner, it's hard to think of that as economic coercion or rape. Electricians wouldn't be going to people's houses and fixing their fuses for free, but the fact that they do it anyway doesn't mean they're enslaved.
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Jun 6, 2020 06:14
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Egg Moron posted:i think that being economically coerced into having sex you would otherwise not be having is rape what is economic coercion? in other words, let's go back to our FALGSC society which guarantees everything required for a fulfilling life, but which still has some level of scarcity. in this case let's consider space travel as a scarce good - there's only so much hyperspace fuel being produced per month. a hypothetical citizen of this society wants to fly from earth to mars, but the state requires you to contribute 100 labor vouchers to secure a seat because seats are scarce. this citizen has no pressing reason to go to mars. no dying grandmother, nothing that would move the state to waive the requirement - they would really just like to see the sights and stay a while. is entirely consensual sex work an invalid way for this person to accumulate vouchers to go to mars? if so, why?
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Jun 6, 2020 06:16
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Jazerus posted:what is economic coercion? What is it about sex work chat specifically that always leads to people to dive headfirst into the world of baffling hypotheticals
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Crane Fist posted:What is it about sex work chat specifically that always leads to people to dive headfirst into the world of baffling hypotheticals What's baffling about that? I think it's illustrating the point pretty clearly
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Absolute Yeetus posted:What's baffling about that? I think it's illustrating the point pretty clearly In the space of three pages we've gone from discussing legal protections and workers rights etc to can you do sex work to pay for your hyperspace fuel vouchers
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Crane Fist posted:In the space of three pages we've gone from discussing legal protections and workers rights etc to can you do sex work to pay for your hyperspace fuel vouchers you can set it wherever you like, technologically. space communism is just a theme in this kind of discussion, you are welcome to instead consider the post above mine which talks about iphones if a more contemporary example is what you want to consider
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yeah, the topic has stayed pretty firmly in the philosophical. the instigator of the thread was working from a theoretical preconfigurative essay that starts with the sentence "sex work will not exist under communism", which is itself a baffling hypothetical, and it doesn't even go the practical way to expound upon that by saying that the reason it won't exist is because a strong state will crush it out or whatever, it and the other person wants you to think that humans will just not ever trade a sex act for some type of abstracted or tangible bit of value, even though all evidence suggests it's just a thing incredibly social creatures do and have always done. using prefigurative political theory about some future world to make bad human nature arguments and then pulling those results back into our world to guide your actions and responses is really really bad
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Jun 6, 2020 09:52
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Jewel Repetition posted:How'd sex work come up in the cool zone? Just things people are arrested for? a bunch of sex workers are gonna out Lady G on twitter or something
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Jun 6, 2020 10:02
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Never trust anyone who wants to suppress consensual sex or sexuality
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Jun 6, 2020 10:21
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Gotta go to the sex mines so I can make my posting payment.
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Jun 6, 2020 11:46
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Hey if you want to listen to sex workers (mostly porn but there's a variety of guests) check out Holly Randall Unfiltered, podcast run by a woman who directs porn and has on models, escorts, experts, etc. Or are you theorizing that porn will also not exist?
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Jun 6, 2020 13:04
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what's sex op
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Jun 6, 2020 14:41
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I agree that people shouldn't sell their body in order to survive but until the anprims overrun us and we go back to hunter-gathering I guess we'll have to deal
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Peanut President posted:I agree that people shouldn't sell their body in order to survive but until the anprims overrun us and we go back to hunter-gathering I guess we'll have to deal the ecofash must never win. LittleBlackCloud has issued a correction as of 15:32 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Absolute Yeetus posted:It's a little more complex than that. If someone is in a circumstance where they basically have to prostitute themselves to have a roof over their head (or worse, food) then yeah, that would be akin to rape through economic coercion. But it's contingent on the economic conditions. In a place with an actual social safety net (and the better drug treatment model), and you're just doing sex work so you can get the newest generation iPhone sooner, it's hard to think of that as economic coercion or rape. As there is no actual social safety net in most places, most of the people who engage in prostitution around the world are forced into it by circumstance, through the threat of deprivation, being kidnapped or scammed by human traffickers and so on. I'm more than willing to entertain people loving for tokens in a world where that is guaranteed to be purely consensual. Seems like a great way to pass the time if that's your thing. Jazerus posted:what is economic coercion? I agree that ethical prostitution under capitalism is equally as hypothetical as tourism to mars This argument isn't really over whether sex work is valid or invalid or whatever, it is about how people are being used, exploited and discarded and that the laws that are proposed to legitimize and regulate the profession lead to industrial scale human trafficking and other suboptimal outcomes where they are implemented. Some SVVC dipshit is outlining a plan for the Uber Fucks app right now and, like I said earlier, some rich rear end wants to put your holes in a kiosk next to where the JC Penny used to be so you can get hosed all day for ten dollars an hour. The beneficiaries of legal and regulated prostitution are rich people because that is who ALL our laws and regulations benefit. silvergoose posted:Hey if you want to listen to sex workers (mostly porn but there's a variety of guests) check out Holly Randall Unfiltered, podcast run by a woman who directs porn and has on models, escorts, experts, etc. I think a more representative story about the porn industry is that law suit against girls do porn that was in the news at the beginning of the year. Young women were scammed, drugged, and lied to in order to get them to have sex on camera to enrich creepy assholes. Absent the cameras and money changing hands this would be date rape. This seems to be a pretty common tactic in an industry that, based on the fact that most people who become involved in porn do not seem to stick around very long, is built on exploiting vulnerable people and discarding them. The problem isn't the sex, on or off camera, the problem is the coercion. If we are talking about hypothetical situations, the porn industry needs to be dismantled just like all the other organs of capitalism and craftspeople can go about their business honing and refining their craft unfettered by market concerns. Egg Moron has issued a correction as of 15:47 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Jun 6, 2020 15:45
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It is work, and sex workers are also some of the most ruthless capitalists you'll ever meet. There are Trump supporting pornstars for fucks sake.
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Jun 18, 2020 17:15
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:does this include pornography since they’re still getting paid to have sex with people they otherwise wouldn’t? not reading all the dang words in this thread but ive done this and the other kind of sex work and its bad. 1/5 would not recommend. you shouldnt be arrested for doing it but also you shouldnt do it. thank you for coming to my ted talk
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Jun 28, 2020 07:40
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jesus christ the zipper on my pants broke and my weiner was just flopping around luckily everyone was at lunch
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Dec 1, 2021 00:55
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now to find the sex work business in my local area
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Jan 10, 2022 22:17
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What if i get paid, take a blue chew, then go to sleep OP?
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Jan 10, 2022 23:38
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It must be work because I hate doing it
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Jan 10, 2022 23:54
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still looking for the sex work business
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Jan 13, 2022 02:58
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are self employed sex workers petit bourgeois, op
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I remember my first day as a manager (first foray into management and quickly realized that it wasn't about taking care of employees so I quit it 3 months into it) I had given my number to the employees and let them know to call me if need be. first week done, Friday at 5 P.M and someone calls me up and it's a guy who works with us asking if I could pick him up. I'm thinking "yeah man, car die or something? where you at?" him: "I'm at a motel 6" I'm asking him why he's at a motel in his home city, and he just says "I'll explain it when you get here" I go to pick him up, pull up to the apartment number and knock on the door. Dude comes out with a towel around him and I see a 30 rack of bud light on the desk in the room. me: "uh...what....the gently caress is going on" him: "well... I decided that I was going to have a fun friday night, and I messaged some chick on backpage.. We met here and started making out, and she wanted me to go take a shower. So I did, and when I got out of the shower she stole everything including my car." Took everything including his underwear lol. That's my sex work story
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swimsuit posted:are self employed sex workers petit bourgeois, op no an analogy I've read recently specifically about the "sex work is work" argument is comparing sex workers to prisoners who fight fires out west. if you talk to the prisoners they'll all say they like doing it, they enjoy the experience, the other jobs available to them are worse, that they feel they can prioritize their safety, they're making connections with people, etc. etc. either verbatim or very similar to the justifications that sex work is work people use. just because something is work and has some benefits for individuals participating in it doesn't necessarily mean society should encourage it or, taking it further, allow it. it's not a perfect comparison for obvious reasons but it does help reframe it in an interesting way. I do think right to exit is the absolute bare minimum that's necessary to make in-person sex work acceptable but I think that should apply to pretty much every job in an improved society
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Jan 13, 2022 03:25
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I don't think taking solo nudie pictures makes you a 'sex worker'
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Jan 13, 2022 03:30
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lil poopendorfer posted:I don't think taking solo nudie pictures makes you a 'sex worker' idk if this is an issue that needs discussion. having nudes out there is absolutely still stigmatized and potentially very harmful to your professional prospects not to mention dating/social life/family/etc and not ephemeral in a way that something like stripping is. I would say it's vastly less physically dangerous but still comes with everything else that's bad about being branded a sex worker
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Jan 13, 2022 03:34
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drat I guess that's why they call it a blowjob, some people must have a whole blow CAREER am I right folks be sure to tip your waitress
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Op is good and smarxist posts well itt. Sex work is work duh.
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