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Willo567 posted:So that means Trump can actually steal Michigan. You're doing it again bro.
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Willo567 posted:So that means Trump can actually steal Michigan. Oh almost definitely won't happen But the GOP needs to be fully destroyed if democracy is to be saved
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Nov 18, 2020 00:53
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Willo567 posted:So that means Trump can actually steal Michigan. He won't. Please stop freaking out.
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Nov 18, 2020 00:55
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Willo567 posted:So that means Trump can actually steal Michigan. Log off. It goes to the state board now. Also Michigan isn’t enough to flip the results in the absolute worse case scenario. I don’t know where someone got the state board splitting it’s some county dipshits
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And as was pointed out, if the state board also deadlocks it goes to the state court to get goatse'd by a judge Also, the state board members are appointed by the governor (in MI a Democrat) and are as such far less likely to be the partisan hacks you find at county level. In fact I think that the governor can even theoretically remove them if necessary, although I'm not sure if that requires legislative approval
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It's clear that the GOP has no respect for democracy and all Democratic strategy needs to include that as a predicate
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weekly font posted:Log off. The state board is also split by party https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_41221---,00.html
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brugroffil posted:It's clear that the GOP has no respect for democracy and all Democratic strategy needs to include that as a predicate Yeah but come on, they're all buds, you can't take that away from them. https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1328798071686377474
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brugroffil posted:The state board is also split by party at which point iirc it goes to the courts, who have spent the past two weeks going "lol gently caress off" to every challenge the trump campaign's brought
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Majorian posted:Yeah but come on, they're all buds, you can't take that away from them. It may surprise you but I actually hate some of the people I pretend to be friendly with at work.
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Jaxyon posted:It may surprise you but I actually hate some of the people I pretend to be friendly with at work. Yeah but you don't work in the Senate, as far as I know, where they truly are extremely buddy-buddy behind-the-scenes. And you certainly aren't either of my state's senators, both of whom apparently think Lindsey Graham is the bee's knees.
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So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then?
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? Stop asking!
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? yes multiple people have given you infinite reasons why this poo poo's gonna be undone by somebody over their head but feel free to continue ignoring all of it and doomposting 
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? Yes, not even the chuddiest judges are going to buy the bullshit 'certify Wayne county except for Detroit' poo poo. And even if they do it wouldn't swing the election so they still probably shy away from it. If Biden didn't have 306 EVs it'd probably be more prudent to worry about.
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Edit: Nevermind, not worth it.
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? no, absolutely not, we're completely hosed and Trump is personally coming to your house to pee in your sink why, exactly are you posting? what do you want to hear?
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Zore posted:Yes, not even the chuddiest judges are going to buy the bullshit 'certify Wayne county except for Detroit' poo poo. And even if they do it wouldn't swing the election so they still probably shy away from it. Yeah they won't steal this one, but they'll steal the next one.
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Willo567 posted:So that means Trump can actually steal Michigan. If there were any credible indication at all that the GOP could actually steal the election, more people would be freaking out besides just you. If you don't understand what's going on, try reading the room a little rather than immediately jumping to assuming the worst all the time!
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Willo567 posted:So should I feel safe with Biden keeping Michigan then? Our democrat SoS, Attorney General, Govenor, and Supreme Court isnt going to let this high school horseshit do anything to derail the election. You don't have to worry.
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Main Paineframe posted:If you don't understand what's going on, try reading the room a little rather than immediately jumping to assuming the worst all the time! look at who you're talking to tho
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Yeah for all it's other faults Michigan ain't fuckin Alabama or something
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I think the worry a lot of people are feeling is not so much about this particular thing or this particular election, but about how this signals what the new normal will be. It will be a long time before we have another election that is not contested with 50 lawsuits by Republicans. We will continue to see growing numbers of Republicans refuse to concede, interfere with the transition process, and refuse to certify elections. How long can a democracy function under those conditions? Just think how many lawsuits will be filed in GA in January if a Democrat wins one of those races.
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What’s stopping from Biden from saying “everybody fired by Trump between now and Jan 20 will be immediately reinstated on Jan 21”?
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davecrazy posted:What’s stopping from Biden from saying “everybody fired by Trump between now and Jan 20 will be immediately reinstated on Jan 21”? They might need senate confirmation. Also he might want someone better.
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davecrazy posted:What’s stopping from Biden from saying “everybody fired by Trump between now and Jan 20 will be immediately reinstated on Jan 21”? Maybe the fact that Biden wouldn’t hire them under normal circumstances? If they were appointed under a republican administration, chances are they are more likely to be republicans.
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evilweasel posted:They might need senate confirmation. Also he might want someone better. Yeah, if Trump fires Barr, he can stay away.
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pthighs posted:I think the worry a lot of people are feeling is not so much about this particular thing or this particular election, but about how this signals what the new normal will be. It will be a long time before we have another election that is not contested with 50 lawsuits by Republicans. We will continue to see growing numbers of Republicans refuse to concede, interfere with the transition process, and refuse to certify elections. How long can a democracy function under those conditions? I mean, the fact that these lawsuits are getting utterly crushed over and over will probably dissuade future candidates from spending a ton of money and time just to embarrass themselves, unless they are genuinely as bugshit delusional as Trump.
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pthighs posted:I think the worry a lot of people are feeling is not so much about this particular thing or this particular election, but about how this signals what the new normal will be. It will be a long time before we have another election that is not contested with 50 lawsuits by Republicans. We will continue to see growing numbers of Republicans refuse to concede, interfere with the transition process, and refuse to certify elections. How long can a democracy function under those conditions? Considering all these cases being laughed out of the court is a judicial precedent for election contests being laughed out of the court, better than you might think. If you worry is that a decade from now a bunch of "smart" Trumpists will try to do the same thing but more effectively in a way that succeeds, that's not a thought-process that can actually be falsified, except in the sense that the smarter and more effective someone is the more likely it is that they'll recognize collective interests and also that they're embarassing themselves and making everyone hate them.
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StarkRavingMad posted:I mean, the fact that these lawsuits are getting utterly crushed over and over will probably dissuade future candidates from spending a ton of money and time just to embarrass themselves, unless they are genuinely as bugshit delusional as Trump. (No no no not a bill that goes 'lol youre insane get out', a multi-layered bill that can only be enacted if enough checkmarks/prerequisites are crossed)
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StarkRavingMad posted:I mean, the fact that these lawsuits are getting utterly crushed over and over will probably dissuade future candidates from spending a ton of money and time just to embarrass themselves, unless they are genuinely as bugshit delusional as Trump. Fojar38 posted:Considering all these cases being laughed out of the court is a judicial precedent for election contests being laughed out of the court, better than you might think. I certainly hope you are both right. I've also come over to the belief that there's no such thing as a "smart" Trump. His dumbness and grievance is the point, and his followers don't care about the Wall being built, they care about screaming about it at rallies and on Twitter. Ted Cruz/Tom Cotton will never win them over. Trump, even before the Presidency, seems to have unlocked the "One Weird Trick" to business and politics, which is if you are willing to file frivolous lawsuits and gum things up in the courts for long enough, you can get a away with a lot of things. I honestly don't know how that is remotely affordable, but maybe that's why he's hundreds of millions of dollars in debt. pthighs fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Trump in his prime had pretty solid conman instincts, but part of being a good conman is never drawing too much attention to yourself, which he ended up doing by becoming President. This was also bolstered by the fact that he would always make sure to have relationships where he alone holds most of the power, and the unfortunate reality is that in those sorts of situation the courts can be effective weapons for the powerful. But it stops being as effective when you're going up against people who are more willing to fight back and also really really loving hate you. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/1328853512684531716?s=20 e: https://twitter.com/C_C_Krebs/status/1328859222071783424 Petey fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Crini posted:Maybe the fact that Biden wouldn’t hire them under normal circumstances? If they were appointed under a republican administration, chances are they are more likely to be republicans. Also cases where Trump successively fired multiple people from the same job. Edit: I thought somewhere I saw a comparison of DSA and liberal candidates sorted by district partisanship and the results were comparable or inconclusive, but I can't remember where it was. PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Nov 18, 2020 |
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Fojar38 posted:Trump in his prime had pretty solid conman instincts, but part of being a good conman is never drawing too much attention to yourself, which he ended up doing by becoming President. I think also a big part of being a conman is you do the con and then you get the gently caress out of there, and in business he sorta did that- always moving on to the next big deal so that nobody would look too closely at the last one. But when you’re the President it’s hard to just leave, and then came the whole “you lose immunity on leaving office” thing. He did cultivate a loyal cult following that still turned out for him (mostly) but that turned out not to be enough. If he escapes prosecution he’ll have a good market for his next con.
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He's not escaping new york prosecution, let alone his org not being torn apart by them once the inductiments are unsealed that are an open secret mainly for him. Trump panicking as much as he has is directly related to him being absolutely scared as poo poo about the lawsuits he cannot avoid. And new york isn't going to let him play lawsuit games to stall either, they know how he plays and at this point he doesn't have access to counsel that will be competent enough to help him.
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UCS Hellmaker posted:He's not escaping new york prosecution, let alone his org not being torn apart by them once the inductiments are unsealed that are an open secret mainly for him. Trump panicking as much as he has is directly related to him being absolutely scared as poo poo about the lawsuits he cannot avoid. And new york isn't going to let him play lawsuit games to stall either, they know how he plays and at this point he doesn't have access to counsel that will be competent enough to help him. I feel you, I really do but also people are concerned because rich white men can get away with anything in this country.
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Jaxyon posted:I feel you, I really do but also people are concerned because rich white men can get away with anything in this country. not if you make a habit of ripping off other rich white men, case in point
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