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-Blackadder- posted:So who's worse, Tucker or Hannity? Tucker. Hannity was at least funny for a minute when he was telling everyone within earshot that he "trains mma" and would bring fox camera crews to watch him be an elite mma fighter while being a real fat middle aged dude. Marxalot fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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I just remember that for a while, I think during most of Obama's terms, Hannity had more viewers than Tucker. It seemed like after Oreilly left Hannity became defacto king. It feels like only in the last few years that Tucker started to knock it out of the park by going full Grand Dragon.
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tucker had a show on msnbc in the late bush era and then laid low with the daily caller until 2016, he wasn't very active on television during the obama admin i find him much more insidious than hannity because hannity is stupid first and foremost. hannity went full trump late in the 2016 primary but never really adopted the policy stances of trump and the transformed republican electorate; he's still a sycophant for patrician reaganomics and can't change that https://www.tiktok.com/@bidens_left_toenail/video/6916385332741131525 volume up imagine hearing that in the bush era lol
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tucker's recently found a foil in tech ceo's, objectively evil people. he's not the messenger we need on this stuff!!!
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i say swears online posted:tucker had a show on msnbc in the late bush era and then laid low with the daily caller until 2016, he wasn't very active on television during the obama admin Yeah, that's wild. I never watch Tucker so that was...something else. I read in another thread something about back before he got kicked out of the whitehouse Bannon was pushing Trump to pivot to some kind of "labor/socialism for white supremacists" movement. I can't remember the exact details but it was something to that effect. Scary stuff. White Nationalists co-opting the labor movement traditionally leads to bad places. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jan 17, 2021 |
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Tucker uses leftist and populist rhetoric to attack corporations and the status quo similar to what Trump did, but isn't as dumb. He's dangerous and could get into politics, and win. Attacking the corporate owned democratic party with a populist message would work, Trump already did it once and could've done it again if he wasn't so useless and weak, +covid.
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Advisory: This has been craftily edited. Reality: These words likely compute this way in Tucker's head. https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1361465787886809091
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Another stellar Tucker take (what a putz). https://twitter.com/abughazalehkat/status/1361846831374884865
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CocoaNuts posted:Another stellar Tucker take (what a putz). Dude can't process what a normal healthy relationship looks like after four years of Donald and the cavalcade of women he pretended were Melania re-enacting the marital equivalent of the orbit of Haley's Comet around the sun in terms of how repulsed they were by one anothers' presence.
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nine-gear crow posted:Dude can't process what a normal healthy relationship looks like after four years of Donald and the cavalcade of women he pretended were Melania re-enacting the marital equivalent of the orbit of Haley's Comet around the sun in terms of how repulsed they were by one anothers' presence. most chuds can't it seems. toxic masculinity is a hosed up deal.
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doverhog posted:He's dangerous and could get into politics, and win. He's not going into politics. He'd take a pay cut, face actual scrutiny, and have to deliver on his bullshit. That last part is the secret of all wingnut pundits. They know their "solutions" and "policies" are just grievance and nonsense and are only appealing as long as they remain nebulous and theoretical.
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Occasionally, the bastahd just comes out and admits it. https://twitter.com/davidaxelrod/status/1487908179228774401
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PeterWeller posted:He's not going into politics. He'd take a pay cut, face actual scrutiny, and have to deliver on his bullshit. Couldn't one have said the same about Trump and his frequent Presidential runs? Sometimes the dog catches the truck.
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twerking on the railroad posted:
In this case, some of us really want to see the truck run the dog the gently caress over!!
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Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one?
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Trollologist posted:Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one? Rachel maddow
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CocoaNuts posted:Occasionally, the bastahd just comes out and admits it. This is always grate. While I don't care that it doesn't convince chuds I am glad that he admits it so his followers look even stupider for following someone who admits to grifting them. They are so dumb and dull they actually think they're the smart ones listening to his rhetoric because their dad struck oil in 1697
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500excf type r posted:Rachel maddow Judge Cynthia Bashant posted:On one hand, a viewer who watches news channels tunes in for facts and the goings-on of the world. MSNBC indeed produces news, but this point must be juxtaposed with the fact that Maddow made the allegedly defamatory statement on her own talk show news segment where she is invited and encouraged to share her opinions with her viewers. Maddow does not keep her political views a secret, and therefore, audiences could expect her to use subjective language that comports with her political opinions.
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twerking on the railroad posted:Couldn't one have said the same about Trump and his frequent Presidential runs? I dunno. Maybe. Trump only mounted one serious run for president, and he did so to cash in on the grift machine. Tucker is already cashing in on that machine.
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PeterWeller posted:I dunno. Maybe. Trump only mounted one serious run for president, and he did so to cash in on the grift machine. Tucker is already cashing in on that machine. From what Matt gaetz said on tucker carlson I'm going to safely say he will eventually be fingered as loving under aged girls.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:From what Matt gaetz said on tucker carlson I'm going to safely say he will eventually be fingered as loving under aged girls. Before or after he dies/retires to a tax haven without an extradition treaty?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Trollologist posted:Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one? There is no meaningful American left wing, so no.
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Name a more nefarious duo (outside of the Third Reich): https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1488646603623829506
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CocoaNuts posted:Name a more nefarious duo (outside of the Third Reich): Saruman and Grima Wormtongue?
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Fill Baptismal posted:Cucker Tarlson is a vile piece of poo poo, but it would be a mistake to think he was stupid. He won some writing awards back in the day and he’s clearly intelligent. His fascism is opportunistic rather than atavistic I think, but that doesn’t make him any less dangerous. I think it's super unclear if the persona before was the socially acceptable form of a racist who thought the winds were blowing a different way and unmasked when he found an opening, or if he really was just a generic mild effete Republican type who turned to racism for ratings after watching Trump win and deciding culture war poo poo is how you smuggle in the unpopular Republican policies he cares about. I think the anti-vaccine poo poo is total kayfabe, but with the racism I think it could go either way.
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Even if it's opportunistic, sometimes you wrong someone and then work backwards into hating them.
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Sinteres posted:I think it's super unclear if the persona before was the socially acceptable form of a racist who thought the winds were blowing a different way and unmasked when he found an opening, or if he really was just a generic mild effete Republican type who turned to racism for ratings after watching Trump win and deciding culture war poo poo is how you smuggle in the unpopular Republican policies he cares about. I think the anti-vaccine poo poo is total kayfabe, but with the racism I think it could go either way. John Oliver isn't the best, but his dive into him makes it seem as if he's smart and just playing to what sells https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMGxxRRtmHc Not that I imagine he wasn't racist before..
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Jaxyon posted:John Oliver isn't the best, but his dive into him makes it seem as if he's smart and just playing to what sells Some more news also did an episode a few years ago before some of Tucker's latest shittiness came out (though he was also poo poo as shown by the OJ thing) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2vMK-p6-M5E
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Trollologist posted:Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one? Vaush
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Trollologist posted:Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one? What I find interesting is on the web/youtube/podcast circuit there are lots of people who want to be contenders for the "opposite of popular right wing pundit" title, who are willing to be extremely hyperbolic and intentionally misinterpret or straight up smear the opposite side, but that kind of thing just doesn't have the same kind of "outrageous sound bite" audience on the left. So they're perpetually stuck on youtube. Cenk from TYT comes to mind. John Oliver is pretty close, except premium channel. And Colbert or Seth Meyer play at one but they only do it for a few minutes a night, it's not an hour of their opinions. Edit: On the flip side, if TYT has 5.17 million subscribers on youtube, and tucker gets 3.21 million viewers on average, which is the more popular/more widespread pundit? If subscription numbers are a fair representation of viewership then Cenk really is a great example of a left wing Tucker. You're just not going to find a left wing pundit on cable or mainstream news because they're too afraid of being called biased. LloydDobler fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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LloydDobler posted:What I find interesting is on the web/youtube/podcast circuit there are lots of people who want to be contenders for the "opposite of popular right wing pundit" title, who are willing to be extremely hyperbolic and intentionally misinterpret or straight up smear the opposite side, but that kind of thing just doesn't have the same kind of "outrageous sound bite" audience on the left. So they're perpetually stuck on youtube. Cenk from TYT comes to mind. It's interesting that you mention how success varies by platform. TYT does great numbers on YouTube, but on both podcast apps that I use, people like Hannity and Ted Cruz draw triple or quadruple the number of subscribers that TYT does. On traditional radio, right wing talk is king. Fox News murders CNN in the ratings, but Rachel Maddow on MSNBC has overtaken Hannity in terms of viewership for months at a time. I find it rather fascinating.
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The complete destruction and isolation of any meaningful Left in American politics forced it to retreat to the academies and ally with various forms of social dysfunction (fat activism, family abolition, hyper-therapeutic language) that justifiably weird out normal people. In return, the Right was able to capture some of that space and energy by saying what was obviously true but that the Left would never be allowed to say. While Obama won the 2008 primary by critiquing the Iraq War, he had to be circumspect about how he described it and tack right on Afghanistan as the "good war". By 2016 Trump was able to tell Jeb Bush, on stage to his face, that his brother got thousands of people killed on 9/11 and the Iraq War was a disaster resulting from lies about WMDs. If any remotely liberal, let alone Left, person did that they would have been crucified by both the Right and the Establishment Liberals. Tucker is the same phenomenon. He is able to capture valuable ideological territory around trade, war, and (sometimes) labor because he will catch far less heat for doing so and the Left made a tactical decision to ally with the most off-putting and alienating members of the American body politic: professors, NGO climbers, and professional activists.
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Trollologist posted:Who's the other side of the "Tucker Coin" surely, if Tucker is a right wing popular pundit, there's a left wing one? matt christman
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doverhog posted:Tucker uses leftist and populist rhetoric to attack corporations and the status quo similar to what Trump did, but isn't as dumb. He's dangerous and could get into politics, and win.
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Old James posted:Saruman and Grima Wormtongue? Don't that gives MTG a redemption path.
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Froghammer posted:Tucker's handlers absolutely do not want him near the reigns of power. Dude's got paymasters to please. I don't think even Tucker wants actual power. He's making CEO money at Fox and gets to shoot off his mouth with no repercussions at this point - the more outrageous he is, the more his viewers love him. Anything that would get him fired/canceled at Fox will likely also make him unelectable - and he has far less responsibility to actually accomplish anything.
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So far I don't think anyone who knows him has hinted that he's interested in being president, but I think ruling it out because of the idea that he might not accomplish much or whatever doesn't make a lot of sense. Like yeah he's getting rich and has a certain level of power in his current job, but the US president, no matter who they are, is one of the most important people in the world, and that clearly has an appeal to some people that money or comfort or whatever can't top. If he saw a path, it's hard to imagine he wouldn't at least consider it. I personally don't think he's charismatic enough to reach beyond his core audience, but we were all wrong about Trump's appeal in 2016, so maybe I'd be wrong about that too, who knows.
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Fill Baptismal posted:Cucker Tarlson is a vile piece of poo poo, but it would be a mistake to think he was stupid. He won some writing awards back in the day and he’s clearly intelligent. His fascism is opportunistic rather than atavistic I think, but that doesn’t make him any less dangerous. His piece that won the National Magazine Award was poo poo though. Dreylad posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFI2Zb7qE It blows my mind nobody else has done this. Sure you'll never be invited back on but Bregman got way more play for that than actually appearing on the show would've done.
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