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Hey, it's Mayveena from the Management Megathread. Somehow I missed this thread! I have moved away somewhat from 4X games and more into base building games, and I was thinking about why. I've been playing video games since the TRS 80 so been through a lot of changes in the industry. One of the biggest issues to me in 4X gaming is that Civilization takes up nearly all of the oxygen in the space, leaving not much room for innovation. For example, Star Ruler 2 (made by Goons!!) just couldn't get any traction even though it was well designed and really interesting. But it wasn't really a 'civ' game, so eventually they gave it away for free. For me personally, I'm tired of beating up Africans (yes I know it's everyone but that whole schtick has gotten way old for me) and want something fresh. I'm looking at Shadow Empires. Thing is I'm old now, and janky UI's are an issue for me. Also I'm hard of hearing, and I just don't understand a good bit of DasTactic or even Grey Hunter. Anyone have a video with good communication that an American can understand? Again no prejudice whatsoever is meant but I am hard of hearing.
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Empress Brosephine posted:Warlock I fell in love with, are there any 4xs similar to that? I guess in simplicity Gog.com has Warlords III, it's kinda old but still good, and simple.
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Dec 8, 2020 18:52
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Snail Information posted:Do you mean like city builder games? Like caesar3? 4x games and city builders scratch the same itch for me, building an empire that needs a balance of resources isnt super far from building the pottery chain in c3 Management games (vs RTS style base building games) don't have the Xterminate part and I'm not sure that I miss it that much? On the other hand, I've had a lot of fun with Distant Worlds!
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Dec 9, 2020 01:32
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Star Ruler is goon made.
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Mar 6, 2021 15:35
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Who made the wiki? Don't know.
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Mar 6, 2021 20:01
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Lawman 0 posted:Let's have a debate: What 4X strategy had the best/most enjoyable AI opponents? No question in my mind  Alpha Centuari
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Mar 15, 2021 19:14
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Super Jay Mann posted:The game isn't even out of Early Access yet, I somehow doubt we're going to get any news on a Steam release before its actual release date, whenever that is. Satisfactory is still in Early Access and came to Steam from Epic Games.
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Apr 24, 2021 14:07
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Darkrenown posted:If you enjoy the trading/connecting of Slipways but want more of a 4x game, check out Star Ruler 2 - you also level up your colonies by connecting trade networks between them, but you can also send warships to explode your rivals. There also a very interesting card-based diplomacy system which I never fully got the hang of, but it seems cool. It's also open source now and the devs are goons. Great game that didn't catch on, possibly because it was a little too complex. Slipways demonstrates what they were doing in SR2 in a way that's accessible.
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Jun 6, 2021 16:58
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Yeah I think they are committed to Epic forever as far as I can remember. I'm looking forward to getting more into it sometime this summer.
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Jul 2, 2021 16:29
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Any disagreements here? https://www.pcgamer.com/the-best-strategy-games/ I'm phone posting, otherwise I'd list them as well.
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Jul 20, 2021 17:58
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Psycho Landlord posted:So when the list said best strategy games they just meant all strategy games right because it seems like they just listed all strategy games I take it you've never run the Strategy filter on Steam? 😐
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Jul 20, 2021 20:57
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Clarste posted:I will say that MOO2 was the only game in history where I had fun with the ship designer. Alpha Centuari is the best. Fight me
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Jul 28, 2021 19:12
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Does High Fleet have much ship design? I like designing ships if I can figure out what to design that works.
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Aug 9, 2021 21:59
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Jack Trades posted:Here's a question. Is there a 4X out there with an AI that can pose a challenge without cheating? AI Wars/AI Wars 2 doesn't cheat and will kick your rear end eventually. Note that the game is not like a typical 4x with even sides, the AI start is very different from the player start. I enjoyed AI Wars and now enjoy AI Wars 2.
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Aug 10, 2021 19:02
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Compared to Distant Worlds, Stellaris is just so slow. I keep buying the DLC's, hoping somehow that one of them will click with me and I'll like Stellaris, but it hasn't worked so far. Whereas in Distant Worlds, I feel like the world is more alive and I understand what goals I have from the jump. And reaching those goals can be a challenge instead of a slog. I bought the original Distant Worlds, and then the next iteration, and then the final iteration and never felt like I wasted money, even though I bought the same game three times.
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Aug 15, 2021 16:38
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Anyone try this? https://store.steampowered.com/app/1113030/Stellar_Warfare/ Stellar Warfare.
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Aug 16, 2021 16:37
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Comparing Steam plays of DW1 vs Stellaris is meaningless. How much $$ has Paradox put into marketing their game vs how much marketing $$ Matrix Games put into marketing DW1 is not even something for discussion as Matrix hasn't marketed DW1 and Paradox has been aggressive about marketing all of their games. Lots of playthroughs, free keys to major streamers, etc.
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Aug 16, 2021 18:18
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Darkrenown posted:I did put a big disclaimer there, but sure I didn't specifically mention marketing budgets. Even so, the difference between 10-20k regular players and 33 is... it's pretty large. I don't think you can put it all down to marketing. If you think DW would have an equal or greater number of players if it had had an equal amount of marketing, well ok, I cannot prove that one way or the other although personally I would doubt it. If you don't, then my point about relative popularity stands. If players don't know about a game, they aren't going to play it. The only way people know about DW1 is by word of mouth. Given the huge number of games one can play where there's active marketing going on, it's totally expected that few would be playing DW1. Players nowadays are looking for videos and reviews on popular review sites. DW1 has no reviews on popular review sites (or at least not recently), while every time a new DLC drops for Stellaris, new reviews and videos pop up. Proving it is easy. Use Google and YT search for each of those games. Frankly Stellaris reminds me of what in board games we'd call fiddliness. All these bullshit details. Why do I have to care about all this poo poo? I come from MOO and Alpha Cenatauri and Civ 1-6. Get to where you want to go and let the player play the game, not care about minutia. Mayveena fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 16, 2021 |
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Aug 16, 2021 18:51
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Zurai posted:Ironically, marketing relatively niche games (IE ones where TV commercials aren't going to do much for you, so not Madden or Battlefield, etc) has got to be cheaper and easier than ever. It really just comes down to giving a handful of popular streamers/youtubers like Quill18, etc, a free key and asking them to play the game for an hour or two and record it. You're giving up a few hundred dollars max, and even then you can't count them as lost sales because who knows whether they'd ever buy the game on their own. In return, you're getting your game out there in front of your core audience with someone they like playing and probably talking up the game. Even an extremely minimal conversion rate is going to be a net positive. DW1 now goes on sale when Steam has sales, so clearly they've moved on from that position, but yes, the original position was not to put the game on sale. Hopefully when DW2 releases, they will give Quill a key and pay him to do a video.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1606340/Conquest_of_Elysium_5/ Conquest of Elysium 5 releases today. If anyone plays it, please post impressions.
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Aug 17, 2021 16:17
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Seems extremely overwhelming. It is a streamlined (believe it or not) version of Dominions 5 https://store.steampowered.com/app/722060/Dominions_5__Warriors_of_the_Faith/ which is really a multi player turn based game that has a pretty decent following. Mayveena fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Aug 17, 2021 |
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Aug 17, 2021 16:34
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Thoughts on Humankind? Getting ready to do a long play through. I'll post with impressions later today.
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Aug 17, 2021 20:44
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Turns out there's a Humankind thread here https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3896939
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mfcrocker posted:I just didn't like the beta as much as Civ 6 in any way The UI is certainly better but it'll be a bit before I get a real feel for the differences.
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Aug 18, 2021 00:23
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How much different is it than Conquest of Elysium if you've played that.
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Aug 19, 2021 16:24
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Unbeatable AI coming in Age of Empires 4 Glad they'll let those who want to like me, beat the crap out of the AI
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Aug 27, 2021 16:40
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:So it was on sale for a fiver so I got Distant Worlds Universe. But it wont launch. like I get the little splash screen popup thing and then nada. I know my laptop while not the best in the world has even more than the recommended specs, let alone required. Graphic drivers updated and/or are you using a dedicated graphics card?
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Jack Trades posted:Distant Worlds has always been "that one 4X game that's stupid expensive for no reason" but I never actually heard anything else about it. It's my favorite 4x (noting I like space games that aren't Stellaris). If it seems daunting, let the AI do everything at first and then take over as you feel comfortable.
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Anno posted:Is there a thread for DW or going to be one for DW2? I’m watching a preview LP now and can already feel my an urge to buy it even though I know I’m too dumb to ever be good at it. Because of the automation, you don't have to be good to play. I don't know how automation works in DW2 but hopefully you can start with everything manual and then as you realize you can't quite handle a particular mechanic automate it and simply work with what you are comfortable with.
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chaosapiant posted:I think this was my biggest issue with automation: not that it is bad or good, but it's hard to tell what it's doing well. And if it's doing bad poo poo, like tanking your income for automated ship building, if you're not already aware of how to play those parts of the game you're gonna be so confused as to why you're losing money. This is why I think it's better to go manual and then automate as you go along and understand what you are expecting from the automation. That way if the automation is worse than you would be you can turn it off.
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Mar 9, 2022 18:25
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chaosapiant posted:Having played real-time 4Xs lately, it’s really hard to go back to turn based. Agreed. As long as it's single player I prefer pausable real time myself, I can move the game along at a speed I want. Otherwise it seems like you get stuck with Civ clones.
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Mar 10, 2022 19:13
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Archonex posted:The problem with Stellaris is literally that they're selling back stuff that should have been in the base game to begin with. I'm not sure that any 4x design that I've played goes into the nooks and crannies as well as a player dedicated to playing that game, mostly because studios don't think that player is their target market. On the other hand, Paradox's DLC strategy is tiring and makes you feel as if you are buying an empty box when you buy the base game. They need to move away from this.
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Mar 19, 2022 17:56
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Demiurge4 posted:Honestly surprised DW2 didn't dump into early access. But also lmao at this being full price. I mean it's going to go on sale at some point. Folks who did jump in have really helped Matrix with the issues so there is that. Without them these changes may not have happened at all or may have happened on a much slower timeline.
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Mar 26, 2022 16:42
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Every year my 30+ year old son and I play an online co op game for Mother's day instead of him spending money on me. We were considering playing AI Wars 2. Anyone have any experience with with co op?
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Apr 25, 2022 16:34
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Anyone in on Dune Spice Wars? Please post impressions if so😀
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Apr 26, 2022 16:36
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Kvlt! posted:DasTactic just uploaded a video playing it, looks interesting Well I bought it an played it for a few minutes. There is a LOT going on in this game and it's going to take some dedicated play for me to get my head around it. At the same time it certainly brings back those literally 2AM play sessions of Dune II. I loved that game so much and am so glad it's finally gotten a fresh coat of paint.
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Apr 26, 2022 17:12
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Kvlt! posted:I'm curious is it more based on the books or kinda a tie-in to the the new movie? Would like to hear your impressions as you play it. Unfortunately I have not read the books or seen the movie (it's crazy and a long story but I can't read the books nor watch the movie). However the reviews I've read say it's based on the books more than the movie.
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Apr 26, 2022 17:18
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Azhais posted:If it's bringing back dune II vibes it probably involves the words arrakis, spice, dune, atreides, and emperor and otherwise could be any ip Which old Dune game? Do you mean the board game, the video game Dune I, or another video game I'm not familiar with?
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Apr 26, 2022 17:31
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Agent355 posted:Gonna play a civ game with my brother for awhile. Should it be 5 or 6? If you like Civ and want to play with more cultures then the DLC is certainly worth it. However if they aren't currently on sale I wouldn't rush. When Civ 6 first released, way more people were still playing 5 than 6, but after a couple of years, Civ 6 finally overtook Civ 5 in playtime and while Civ 5 is still a top 100 played game on Steam, 6 is significantly more popular. I'm a card carrying cult of the new person so my opinion shouldn't be considered
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Clarste posted:The problem is that the majority of 4x players are casual players who just want to built their cities in peace until they decide to go to war for fun. People looking for a challenge are a minority, and dev time is budgeted accordingly. Yes. I remember long time ago I went to a conference for devs and they said it's very easy to kill or nearly kill the player but most players don't want that. They want to turtle or rush and have that work.
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